Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Yosharian]

Is there any hook to this game besides being a cybernetically enhanced gangbanger? The trailers have left me empty-handed on the story front.

The story that you've seen only the first hour of?

I don't mind a critical viewpoint but come on

The hook, by definition, is something that should be able to be conveyed to the viewer in a trailer and/or promo of some kind. So yeah, saying that the hook seems lacking is totally valid, even at this point. Maybe there's a great story, but CDP aren't selling it yet.

Hook seems absolutely fine to me

 

[Yosharian]

The story that you've seen only the first hour of?

I don't mind a critical viewpoint but come on

It's legit criticism, compare any of the three CP2077 trailers to let's say the DX:HR E3 trailer.

Cyberpunk 2077:

Spoiler

Deus Ex: Human Revolution:

Spoiler

Which trailer do you think does the best job at informing you the audience about the overall vision of the game?

Personally I don't judge a game by it's trailer.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I don't see why anyone would complain about delays unless they are retarded

The Romans were right about many things, one of them to consider teenagers to be suffering from a temporary mental condition.

 

[norolim]

I haven't followed Cyberpunk all that closely, but is there a general consensus on the Codex, regarding the delays (new consoles, bugs or some other cause)? Also, on a scale of shit to absolute shit, what are current expectations for Cyberpunk? I saw where wall running has been nixed, cutting features at this point doesn't appear all too promising.

5 years ago, my expectations were pretty high. I thought CDPR were capable of producing an enjoyable aRPG with a great story and at least solid gameplay and mechanics. A lot changed since then.

First of all, I played much more of Witcher 3 and I realised how much they fucked up in the RPG and gameplay department. I'm not saying it's all shit, but some elements definitely are, and some decisions they made are truly baffling. As a result of this and the generally unfavourable impressions left by the gameplay videos, CDPR were releasing in the last couple of years, my expectations in terms of gameplay are much lower.

The quality of the materials they've been releasing recently and their communication in general doesn't instil confidence, either. And it's uncharacteristic of them, because I still remember how much better all that was before Witcher 3 release. But a lot of time passed since then, and it's a known fact there is a lot of turnover at the studio. Judging by what they've been saying recently, and were they were putting the accents in communication and released materials, I'm afraid they made a lot of international diversity hires. And that always means the same: less quality, more ideology.

So here is my position on CP2077, based on all that: I don't have high expectations any more, but I'm also not assuming it's going to be shit. As I said here, there isn't enough information to decide whether this game will be good or not. It's a big unknown.

 

[Infinitron]

The main thing I remember about CD Projekt's marketing before The Witcher 3 was released is that were more trailers and gameplay videos for people to geek out about. And they typically told interesting stories instead of being merely gameplay mechanic demonstrations or lore dumps. As I said last year: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...ll-november-19th.122398/page-201#post-6288030

Is there any hook to this game besides being a cybernetically enhanced gangbanger? The trailers have left me empty-handed on the story front.

The story that you've seen only the first hour of?

I don't mind a critical viewpoint but come on

The hook, by definition, is something that should be able to be conveyed to the viewer in a trailer and/or promo of some kind. So yeah, saying that the hook seems lacking is totally valid, even at this point. Maybe there's a great story, but CDP aren't selling it yet.

We learned about Cyberpunk 2077's story hook last year. It's about Keanu Reeves-Johnny Silverhand's digital ghost and an immortality chip.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

It's a story about dongsliders and trannies

 

[Yosharian]

So here is my position on CP2077, based on all that: I don't have high expectations any more, but I'm also not assuming it's going to be shit. As I said here, there isn't enough information to decide whether this game will be good or not. It's a big unknown.

Also there are signs that CDPR has learnt from past mistakes, for example in a recent video I heard that they are removing Witcher 3's quest marker map spam and trying to make quests more organic to discover. That alone is a really good change and evidence that they are at least trying to iterate on what they did with TW3, rather than just cranking out a carbon copy with a fresh coat of paint.

 

[eilef]

So here is my position on CP2077, based on all that: I don't have high expectations any more, but I'm also not assuming it's going to be shit. As I said here, there isn't enough information to decide whether this game will be good or not. It's a big unknown.

Also there are signs that CDPR has learnt from past mistakes, for example in a recent video I heard that they are removing Witcher 3's quest marker map spam and trying to make quests more organic to discover. That alone is a really good change and evidence that they are at least trying to iterate on what they did with TW3, rather than just cranking out a carbon copy with a fresh coat of paint.

And yet they managed to add and present Witcher sense 2.0, and make it even more boring. At least the car will not be magickly appearing on top of the houses, like the horse did.

 

[Yosharian]

So here is my position on CP2077, based on all that: I don't have high expectations any more, but I'm also not assuming it's going to be shit. As I said here, there isn't enough information to decide whether this game will be good or not. It's a big unknown.

Also there are signs that CDPR has learnt from past mistakes, for example in a recent video I heard that they are removing Witcher 3's quest marker map spam and trying to make quests more organic to discover. That alone is a really good change and evidence that they are at least trying to iterate on what they did with TW3, rather than just cranking out a carbon copy with a fresh coat of paint.

And yet they managed to add and present Witcher sense 2.0, and make it even more boring. At least the car will not be magickly appearing on top of the houses, like the horse did.

I don't disagree that there are some really stupid mechanics in place, for example I absolutely despise the MMO approach to enemy stats, Destiny-style bullet damage, I'm worried that the itemization will be shit, etc

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Also there are signs that CDPR has learnt from past mistakes,

I'm sure they did, probably not in a way you'll like though.

 

[Quillon]

And yet they managed to add and present Witcher sense 2.0

witcher sense equivalent is that alternate vision/analyse mode? which shows enemies' stats etc through which ranged hacks done, braindance is a gimmick of its own

 

[eilef]

I just hope there is not a lot of "braindance" in this game. I hated when they showed it, and scanned enough shit for the lifetimes ahead in both D2 and the horror that was Andromeda.

 

[Lord of Riva]

I just hope there is not a lot of "braindance" in this game. I hated when they showed it, and scanned enough shit for the lifetimes ahead in both D2 and the horror that was Andromeda.

It may just be the early iterations of this, in fact I believe if done well it can really add to the game. Both due to storytelling but also C&C but we will have to see.

If this is just a pixel hunt/info dump thing for the whole game it will indeed be a bit shit.

 

[Sarkile]

I just hope there is not a lot of "braindance" in this game. I hated when they showed it, and scanned enough shit for the lifetimes ahead in both D2 and the horror that was Andromeda.

It may just be the early iterations of this, in fact I believe if done well it can really add to the game. Both due to storytelling but also C&C but we will have to see.

If this is just a pixel hunt/info dump thing for the whole game it will indeed be a bit shit.

They say braindance is mostly used as porn. Hopefully that's all it is outside of the quest in the trailer. It might be a semi-fun distraction on occasion, but it's absolutely bizarre that they sold braindance as a huge selling point for these teasers.

 

[Gargaune]

And sway isn't replicating that?

When your weapons are all just hitscan shit, the result looks wooden, unrealistic and unpleasant to play.

Just because you have sway, it doesn't mean you can't have bullet ballistics on top of that.

I can't give you an Agree, so I'll just tell you that I agree. Aim sway is an excellent fit for Action-RPGs because it allows you to combine the player's skills, respectively their reflexes and precision with a mouse, with the character's skills, modelling their abstract competency with a weapon. Then mixing in bullet drop just makes the first part better.

 

[Wulfric Pinewood]

There will be no subways or ridable trains in Cyberpunk [ like in the movies ] , it will work as fast travel only.

 

[Terenty]

There will be no subways or ridable trains in Cyberpunk [ like in the movies ] , it will work as fast travel only.

Keanu didn't offer his seat to the lady on the right, cancel him!!

 

[typical user]

Here's me hoping they might add that stuff in first DLC. Remember Blood and Wine for Witcher 3? People modded more skill slots into the game plus some complained you only had divine chest travelling with you but no real home. They added those elements in Blood and Wine and furthermore they integrated mutations to NG+.

Wall-running won't be back, too much work. But car customization, expansion on fast-travelling by adding cutout subways? That is possible. I also expect the DLCs that they are planning might add additional lifepath to choose, for example a Rockerboy or Solo proper. They have designer/art-teams doing those, these people do not sit idly while others are testing and fixing the game.

 

[Kem0sabe]

I predict there won't be any expansive single player dlc. Everyone not fixing the game for release is probably working on the online game. And if Cdprojekt isn't dumfucked, that's where they will put every bit of manpower they have, as it will extend the life of the game and if monitized, will be a money printing machine.

 

[Comrade Goby]

They need modding tools to have true longevity like GTA and Skyrim

 

[Dodo1610]

They need modding tools to have true longevity like GTA and Skyrim

GTA never had official modding tools or support.

I predict there won't be any expansive single player dlc. Everyone not fixing the game for release is probably working on the online game. And if Cdprojekt isn't dumfucked, that's where they will put every bit of manpower they have, as it will extend the life of the game and if monitized, will be a money printing machine.

CDPR actually told their investors that there will be single-player DLC
https://www.essentiallysports.com/cyberpunk-2077-cdp-reveals-important-dlc-news-esports-news-2020/

 

[Ol' Willy]

When your weapons are all just hitscan shit, the result looks wooden, unrealistic and unpleasant to play.

Perfect one is:

- no hitscan. Ballistics on the level of STALKER.
- no crosshair. Works good to simulate hip-fire routine.
- Iron sights/optics with swaying dependent on the relevant guns skill.
- aside from swaying, it's reload time, automatic fire control, drawing, malfunction fixing and other stuff relevant to gun skill.


For a "cyberpunk" game no crosshair gimmick is obligatory. You should have a choice to get various smart guns/augmentations that will help you shooting without even looking at sights.

 

[Kitchen Utensil]

Well, we don't know yet if there's a pandemic in the CP 2077 world...

Covid77

Nah, more likely still Covid-19.

 

[santino27]

The main thing I remember about CD Projekt's marketing before The Witcher 3 was released is that were more trailers and gameplay videos for people to geek out about. And they typically told interesting stories instead of being merely gameplay mechanic demonstrations or lore dumps. As I said last year: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...ll-november-19th.122398/page-201#post-6288030

Is there any hook to this game besides being a cybernetically enhanced gangbanger? The trailers have left me empty-handed on the story front.

The story that you've seen only the first hour of?

I don't mind a critical viewpoint but come on

The hook, by definition, is something that should be able to be conveyed to the viewer in a trailer and/or promo of some kind. So yeah, saying that the hook seems lacking is totally valid, even at this point. Maybe there's a great story, but CDP aren't selling it yet.

We learned about Cyberpunk 2077's story hook last year. It's about Keanu Reeves-Johnny Silverhand's digital ghost and an immortality chip.

I'm aware. Not particularly impressed or interested, but aware. Which I think was the original point.

 

[Kleptocratic debt serf]

Delays are a good thing. I don't see why anyone would complain about delays unless they are retarded. I don't think it's going to be a bad game but I don't think it's going to be great either. It will however be the most degenerate game ever made. Even more degenerate than The Last of Us 2.

I wasn't complaining about the delay, just making an observation that a generation of instant-gratification fuckwits have a lot of patience, at least for CD Projekt... Normally they complain when games are delayed more than once.

Rumor has it that the PS5 drops on 11/20, so this delay jibes with a PS5 day 1 game release.

 

[Konjad]

I wrote a post in the wrong topic, so I'll copy-paste it here:




tl;dr:

Interesting sci-fi setting, kind of like Deus Ex, but much worse (not bad, but far from DE quality)
Watch Dogs-like driving (generally bad, much worse than GTA) with extremely scripted and dead city except quest locations
inventory is terrible
hacking is mediocre
Combat is Borderlands-like with all its drawbacks (I criticized this kind of combat in The Outer Worlds quickie)
Melee is also rather meh
UI is Witcher 3-like
Quite cool memory-reading of NPC gameplay and quests (which feels often like adventure games)
Story and quests seem very interesting

Therefore, seems like Witchers - great story and quests, but gameplay is weak. The guy says it's mostly like science-fiction Witcher 2 (not 3, not 1, it's a game that tries hard to be western AAA title, but falls short).