Yosharian
Arcane
Well, I tried.
i can't speak for everyone, and i know this isn't my personal blog, but speaking as someone who does get a little miffed when they see someone put their pronouns out there or by companies including these options, but it feels sort of disingenuous, you know? like, it's good that people are getting represented or whatever, but when it comes to games adding these things you know they're just doing it to be politically correct and cater to the 'lowest common denominator' as it were so they don't exclude anyone('s wallet) and not because they actually believe it. maybe the team actually believes in inclusiveness and includes it, but that just points to other problems, because isn't the point of being trans like...actually passing/being the gender you want to be, rather than that third classification of them/they? it's bad enough that you've got the corporation patting themselves on the back for virtue signalling with one hand and reaching into your wallet with the other, but now you've got people who barely even think about what their core beliefs actually mean trying to write a deep story, and it's like...if you can't even get the basics of transgenderism down, what quality can we expect when you clumsily fumble your way around more complex situations and ideologies?You would think so lol. There are several pages of people being angry that HBR added a "them/they" gender prefix to Battletech. Without as so much removing "him/her." And what part of gameplay that has been changed by addition of additional gender in Cyberpunk that we know of? NOTHING, at least not what we know of now. The game is not released yet and there is not much about it in trailers. But sure, keep circlejerking,
This isn't about having more options. It's about how they did it. If you could just mix-and-match options as you see fit, nobody would say anything. But they said this...:As I said, you can still be one. You can hypothetically still be a straight male/female. Just there is no BIG BUTTON with it. People several pages ago said said that "there will be no option but to play as neon dicked girl" or something to such lines. To me it seems that, yes, they are angry at more options.
...which clearly outlines WHY they got rid of the pre-defined choices (especially when before you could be either a male or a female character). So I am not surprised that people feel like this is pushing an agenda, which can be tiring, even when this does fit the setting of the game.Cyberpunk 2077's character creator no longer includes binary gender options, CD Projekt RED says
But they said this...:
...which clearly outlines WHY they got rid of the pre-defined choices (especially when before you could be either a male or a female character). So I am not surprised that people feel like this is pushing an agenda, which can be tiring, even when this does fit the setting of the game.Cyberpunk 2077's character creator no longer includes binary gender options, CD Projekt RED says
I'm sure i've seen a group pic of CDprojekt employees at a pride paradeBut they said this...:
...which clearly outlines WHY they got rid of the pre-defined choices (especially when before you could be either a male or a female character). So I am not surprised that people feel like this is pushing an agenda, which can be tiring, even when this does fit the setting of the game.Cyberpunk 2077's character creator no longer includes binary gender options, CD Projekt RED says
Did they say it exactly like that or did the bullshit press just present it like that? Also, even if CDPR said it like that, does the PR guy telling the bullshit press what they want to hear in order to get positive coverage mean it's actually the core ethos of the writers and developers making the game? Would anything in Witcher 1-3 indicate a tendency toward being against binary gender paradigms? These are all things to consider before taking that ball and running with it past the touchdown marker and into the parking lot.
I'm sure i've seen a group pic of CDprojekt employees at a pride parade
Full quote:Did they say it exactly like that or did the bullshit press just present it like that?
Gamasutra:
We haven't seen the full character selection screen. The team said it wasn't finished yet. There are still many changes you all are making to the game. Has the team at all considered, given their use of [trans] characters like that in the game to depict cyberpunk, has the team thought about giving players that kind of choice over their character, to give themselves similar representation?
And if they're not, has the team considered the gap between portraying characters like that, and limiting what you can have your players represent themselves as?
Tomaskiewicz: Of course. It's a very sensitive and important subject I believe. We have put a lot of thought into this. One of the things we want to do in the final game (which we couldn't show in the demo yet, because as you mentioned it's a work in progress) is to give the players as many options of customization in the beginning of the game as we can.
For example, we want to do this thing where, as you create your character, after you choose the body type, you can, for example, use physical traits as you build your face that could be assigned to a man or a woman.
Gamasutra: Or nonbinary?
Tomaskiewicz: Or nonbinary. The idea is to mix all of those up, to give them to the players, as they would like to build it. Same goes for the voice. We wanted to separate this out, so the players can choose it freely. This is something we are still working on, it's not as easy as it sounds.
This is one part of it. In terms of how we depict the characters within the setting itself, of course, yes, we are paying a lot of attention to it, we do not want anyone to feel like we are neglecting this, or treating it wrongly.
Well...:Also, even if CDPR said it like that, does the PR guy telling the bullshit press what they want to hear in order to get positive coverage mean it's actually the core ethos of the writers and developers making the game?
For Redesiuk, the fictional advertisement is also an effort to increase empathy for the LGBTQ community among video game consumers.
“We need it,” Redesiuk said. “I honestly think we need it because we need more acceptance in the world, and we need to also show how the goodness of people is sometimes used against them. And I would really love for the world to change and be a better place for everyone.”
It depends a lot on how they handle the game. Just because at least some people on the team are fully supporting LGBTQXYZ and/or trying to get some PR points with the mainstream media does not mean that they will go overboard with their "message of acceptance" and the game is bound to be shit as a result. It's merely a possibility. On the flipside, this does prove that some CDPR members are above and beyond simply depicting the Cyberpunk setting. In fact, they have enough backing from the company to be able to officially say this to the media, so who knows how far they will get with the game itself?Would anything in Witcher 1-3 indicate a tendency toward being against binary gender paradigms? These are all things to consider before taking that ball and running with it past the touchdown marker and into the parking lot.
How does it make perfect sense for the setting? Will there suddenly be more mentally ill or whatever you call them people in the future all of a sudden? Why would access to implants breed more transgenderism? Will you personally become a tranny if given access to augments?It's not about them having tranny options (which again make perfect sense for this setting).
Well, the simulacra of another biological sex by way of surgery would be of higher quality for one thing (ergo more mentally ill people going for it).How does it make perfect sense for the setting? Will there suddenly be more mentally ill or whatever you call them people in the future all of a sudden? Why would access to implants breed more transgenderism?It's not about them having tranny options (which again make perfect sense for this setting).
Wait, you mean Cyberpunk wasn't about this? https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...out-cyberpunk-2077.128065/page-5#post-6171440The whole body modification themes of cyberpunk was about forfeiting your humanity to, in your belief, 'transcend' it.
You're right about that, similar to how I don't particularly like watching RomComs or movies about the terminally ill or sports biographies and similar and usually ignore them. I naturally don't want something I either don't like or am actively repulsed by to play an out-sized role in my entertainment, especially something I've been looking forward to for the better part of a decade that is gradually being changed due to outside influence. The difference is without outside political pressure groups and several dozen articles and interviews every year for the past several zoning in on this "very important issue" by "unbiased gaming journalists" lobbying for the inclusion of this kind of horseshit similar to their "not enough diversity in Witcher 3" campaign, which fortunately didn't come in the middle of development but as fait accompli, it would naturally not be occurring to begin with and not even be considered a point worth addressing in any way in the first place, like in any of the dozen other Cyberpunk settings that have been repeatedly brought up. The character creator is a good example with the E3 Demo a few years ago being what CDPR came up with being twisted to change it and remove things after "feedback" to sate the activists.You cannot deny there are many who want all this stuff purged from their games
It's not about them having tranny options (which again make perfect sense for this setting). It's about whether they went full California extremist, which I doubt.
It remains to be seen whether CDPR are only paying lip service to this stuff or turned true believers, but I see neither as a particularly positive change and I'm not as much "angry" but sad and disappointed that something else I've been looking forward to since I first heard about it might be gimped by the demands of insane fringe activists (as other things like Star Trek or Star Wars before).As I said, you can still be one. You can hypothetically still be a straight male/female. Just there is no BIG BUTTON with it.
You would think so lol. There are several pages of people being angry that HBR added a "them/they" gender prefix to Battletech. Without as so much removing "him/her." And what part of gameplay that has been changed by addition of additional gender in Cyberpunk that we know of? NOTHING, at least not what we know of now. The game is not released yet and there is not much about it in trailers. But sure, keep circlejerking
The difference is that Cyberpunk never claimed any of this degeneracy was good.So the consensus is that cyberpunk as a genre has always been gay and cringe and that no one should have ever expected anything from this game, from day 1?
Cdprojekt should have plastered their walls with this excerptThe difference is that Cyberpunk never claimed any of this degeneracy was good.So the consensus is that cyberpunk as a genre has always been gay and cringe and that no one should have ever expected anything from this game, from day 1?
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It depends a lot on how they handle the game. Just because at least some people on the team are fully supporting LGBTQXYZ and/or trying to get some PR points with the mainstream media does not mean that they will go overboard with their "message of acceptance" and the game is bound to be shit as a result. It's merely a possibility. On the flipside, this does prove that some CDPR members are above and beyond simply depicting the Cyberpunk setting. In fact, they have enough backing from the company to be able to officially say this to the media, so who knows how far they will get with the game itself?
You're right about that, similar to how I don't particularly like watching RomComs or movies about the terminally ill or sports biographies and similar and usually ignore them. I naturally don't want something I either don't like or am actively repulsed by to play an out-sized role in my entertainment, especially something I've been looking forward to for the better part of a decade that is gradually being changed due to outside influence.
For Redesiuk, the fictional advertisement is also an effort to increase empathy for the LGBTQ community among video game consumers.
“We need it,” Redesiuk said. “I honestly think we need it because we need more acceptance in the world, and we need to also show how the goodness of people is sometimes used against them. And I would really love for the world to change and be a better place for everyone.”
It depends a lot on how they handle the game. Just because at least some people on the team are fully supporting LGBTQXYZ and/or trying to get some PR points with the mainstream media does not mean that they will go overboard with their "message of acceptance" and the game is bound to be shit as a result. It's merely a possibility. On the flipside, this does prove that some CDPR members are above and beyond simply depicting the Cyberpunk setting. In fact, they have enough backing from the company to be able to officially say this to the media, so who knows how far they will get with the game itself?
it's not that far off to imagine that a transhumanist worldview would consequently lead to a devaluing of our innate biology. If technology permits it, plenty of eccentric people would prefer to shape their bodies in all sorts of weird manners, going beyond just sexual ('gender') lines.
It remains to be seen whether CDPR are only paying lip service to this stuff or turned true believers, but I see neither as a particularly positive change and I'm not as much "angry" but sad and disappointed that something else I've been looking forward to since I first heard about it might be gimped by the demands of insane fringe activists (as other things like Star Trek or Star Wars before).
Who started the "endless, endless bitching and crying about it" after the first E3 Demos happened and they didn't like seeing "Male" and "Female" being displayed right there on a screen because Biology is Hate Science? Who got "triggered" by that (and other things like the disgusting huwhyte male on the cover) and had to bitch about it for several years to get it changed? I believe we had an over 20 page thread split about that? Why don't you complain about that and instead only the people you presume "bitching about their bitching"? Could it be that you are actually in favor of one side's "endless bitching and crying", which you ignore while talking out of both sides of your mouth and being for what they're trying to achieve/advocating for similar things and just being disingenuous about it? I kind of only remember you defending and making excuses for it even back then and this sort of selective annoyance kind of makes it seem like it.The thing that started all this was the endless, endless bitching and crying about it. Complaints I get.
It's the journalist pushing words like binary and whatnot, using his liberal arts degree to its fullest.
You go ahead believing in the "unstoppable social progress" no matter how and what you ask for and how far you try to push said society (including brainwashing, chemically castrating and mutilating its children, forcing them to say things they innately know are not true or worse when talking about "retarded social and political stances") if it makes you happy, just remember that things can change rapidly (I believe you briefly discussed such a period a few pages back that ended abruptly) especially if you also hold contradictory beliefs of welcoming and praising cultures fundamentally incompatible with said "progress". I'm sure nothing could happen in your lifetime that could possibly surprise you.I think you're in for a rough ride the rest of your life because society has largely voted they don't give a shit, but that's your ride to take.
Today was Cyberpunk 2077's original planned release date, but we got this ugly controller instead
A 'hack' of the Xbox website appears to be teasing something for next week.
Today—April 16, 2020—is the day that Cyberpunk 2077 was meant to make its grand debut. Sadly, that's not going to happen, but something is happening over on the Xbox website, which has been "hacked" in a very cyberpunk-looking way.
The strangeness was preceded by this mysterious tweet:
The word on the street, courtesy of Dudeman127, is that a Cyberpunk 2077 Xbox bundle will be announced next week. I don't know if the box art he shared is accurate, but the silhouette of a console and controller are briefly visible when the cyber-tease video runs on the Xbox site.
More tellingly, a listing for a Cyberpunk 2077-themed Xbox wireless controller appeared on Amazon.ca today. It was quickly taken down, but Pure Xbox managed to capture an image and product description:
"Live the mercenary life with the Xbox Wireless Controller - cyberpunk 2077 Limited Edition, featuring a rugged design based on Johnny Silver hand and tech-enhanced insignia. This Xbox Wireless Controller immerses you in a future where technology is the key to survival. Button mapping allows you to customize your controller just the way you like it. Plug in any compatible headset with the 3.5mm stereo headset jack, And with Bluetooth technology, play your favorite games on Windows 10 PCs, tablets, laptops, and mobile devices."
Xbox bundles aren't really our thing, but Xbox controllers are something else entirely: They work with PCs, and they rate a spot in our list of the best controllers for PC gaming.
My complaint about this one, for a specialty controller, is that it's kind of bland. The Arasaka logo on the left is cool, but the "no future" scratched into the right grip makes me think of Terminator, not Cyberpunk. (And yes, Terminator is "no fate," but that's the kind of thing that's easy to mix up at a glance.) It's just not very distinct in my eyes; it looks old and worn, but not in any way that immediately conjures up images of the game it's supposed to represent. Given the breadth of inspiration available from the Cyberpunk setting, I would've expected more. Something flashy and neon, with maybe a little bit of Keanu on it, or even Lizzy Wizzy, staring up at me from behind the thumbstick.
Arasaka is a major Japanese mega-corp in the Cyberpunk setting, by the way, and will apparently play a role in Cyberpunk 2077.
There is the possibility that April 20 will bring us more Cyberpunk 2077 reveals than just a new Xbox bundle, so we'll be paying close attention to see what shakes out.
Cyberpunk 2077 is now scheduled to come out on September 17. Despite the impact of the ongoing COVID-19 outbreak, CD Projekt recently said that release date remains on track.
The difference is that Cyberpunk never claimed any of this degeneracy was good.So the consensus is that cyberpunk as a genre has always been gay and cringe and that no one should have ever expected anything from this game, from day 1?
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DC Comics is also making something where Batman, Catwoman and Joker are in high school with all three of them being in a polyamorous relationship.
This is not me making a funny post, btw. This is a real thing.
Oh and Batman is Chinese now.
Cdprojekt should have plastered their walls with this excerptThe difference is that Cyberpunk never claimed any of this degeneracy was good.So the consensus is that cyberpunk as a genre has always been gay and cringe and that no one should have ever expected anything from this game, from day 1?
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In isolation, maybe, but they their art director claiming "we need" the pro-LGBT propaganda is the worrying sign.I actually don't find that interview that bad. The CDPR guy is basically just saying you pick a male or female body and then do whatever you want to it, which I think is perfect for the setting. It's the journalist pushing words like binary and whatnot, using his liberal arts degree to its fullest.
In isolation, maybe, but they their art director claiming "we need" the pro-LGBT propaganda is the worrying sign.I actually don't find that interview that bad. The CDPR guy is basically just saying you pick a male or female body and then do whatever you want to it, which I think is perfect for the setting. It's the journalist pushing words like binary and whatnot, using his liberal arts degree to its fullest.
I liked how Disco Elysium handled ideologies. You could take any stance and shit on everything you wished, regardless of how "appropriate" it was. I mean, this is a game that allowed you to play as a facist, a communist or a gay and somehow the world didn't end. Before Disco Elysium everybody would surely claim that such approach is madness and will bury the game under negative PR or something. But the opposite happened. I think that's because people liked they had the actual freedom of choice, without being told by the game why their choice was obviously right or wrong, and it being ultimately a stepping stone leading to something hilarious didn't hurt.
I liked how Disco Elysium handled ideologies. You could take any stance and shit on everything you wished, regardless of how "appropriate" it was. I mean, this is a game that allowed you to play as a facist, a communist or a gay and somehow the world didn't end. Before Disco Elysium everybody would surely claim that such approach is madness and will bury the game under negative PR or something. But the opposite happened. I think that's because people liked they had the actual freedom of choice, without being told by the game why their choice was obviously right or wrong, and it being ultimately a stepping stone leading to something hilarious didn't hurt.