Diablo IV

[Reinhardt]

most people dont give a shit about poes complexity, its one of the things that ppl DONT want.

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PoE is a spreadsheet simulator for aspergers autists/ADHD people, with graphics tacked on for a GUI lol.
Sure its got complexity, everything else sucks big fat dick up the ass

You can't tell whats what half the time with so much pixel dogshit on the screen and the ADHD speed pacing of the game, let alone the overly complex "builds" and grindy itemization.

I don't get the appeal of POE's fuckhuge Chinese checkers skill board. I remember opening it up once, saying fuck this, because I didn't want to spend half a day figuring out what was in each direction and just uninstalled it.

Even if they kept the same number of options and +1% whatever things, but organized it more intelligibly, they'd be doing themselves a favour.

just use search by keywords, nigger

Just make an intelligible UI, fuckwit.

it's easy to use. maybe try use kb+mouse next time?

 

[Ryzer]

Be glad there isn't a full-blown rainbow flag in the UI to show support for LGBTQ+ community in the diablo universe and community.
In any case, when was the last time an AAA has a good UI?

 

[mediocrepoet]

Just make an intelligible UI, fuckwit.

it's easy to use. maybe try use kb+mouse next time?

Congrats on making what may actually be your most retarded post. It was a high bar to clear, but you're definitely bringing your A game.

jUsT uSe A mOuSe BrO!

Who has time for this shit?

 

[Reinhardt]

Just make an intelligible UI, fuckwit.

it's easy to use. maybe try use kb+mouse next time?

Congrats on making what may actually be your most retarded post. It was a high bar to clear, but you're definitely bringing your A game.

jUsT uSe A mOuSe BrO!

Who has time for this shit?

type "health" or "strength" or whatever you need, nigger. nodes are even color-marked like crayons.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Just make an intelligible UI, fuckwit.

it's easy to use. maybe try use kb+mouse next time?

Congrats on making what may actually be your most retarded post. It was a high bar to clear, but you're definitely bringing your A game.

jUsT uSe A mOuSe BrO!

Who has time for this shit?

type "health" or "strength" or whatever you need, nigger.

Try playing a decent game, dumbfuck.

 

[Dadd]

 

[Reinhardt]

Just make an intelligible UI, fuckwit.

it's easy to use. maybe try use kb+mouse next time?

Congrats on making what may actually be your most retarded post. It was a high bar to clear, but you're definitely bringing your A game.

jUsT uSe A mOuSe BrO!

Who has time for this shit?

type "health" or "strength" or whatever you need, nigger.

Try playing a decent game, dumbfuck.

wrong threadsubforum

 

[Angthoron]

That skilltree is indeed massive and hard to read. However, it's not the main issue of PoE. And, to be fair, each class has a starting point to build from as a suggestion for a starting point. And to be even more fair, you should just go to some site with meta builds and take something that sounds like your thing.

Why? Because things don't end at the skill tree, oh no no.

Then you have the gems, and the way they multiply and scale and bounce off the tree, other items, various buffs, time of the day, your positioning in the chair, your latency, planetary alignment and a few other minor variables.

There's a few programs and such to help you plan your character, but until you've had 3+ years of hands-on PoE experience, I would not recommend trying to deviate from build instructions even for the tiniest step. Because it might be that tiny step that separates your 1000000000000000000000 damage build from the 1000000 build, and fuck you for thinking you figured anything out.

 

[Dadd]

To be fair you have to have a very high iq to understand the PoE skill tree.

 

[ArchAngel]

That skilltree is indeed massive and hard to read. However, it's not the main issue of PoE. And, to be fair, each class has a starting point to build from as a suggestion for a starting point. And to be even more fair, you should just go to some site with meta builds and take something that sounds like your thing.

Why? Because things don't end at the skill tree, oh no no.

Then you have the gems, and the way they multiply and scale and bounce off the tree, other items, various buffs, time of the day, your positioning in the chair, your latency, planetary alignment and a few other minor variables.

There's a few programs and such to help you plan your character, but until you've had 3+ years of hands-on PoE experience, I would not recommend trying to deviate from build instructions even for the tiniest step. Because it might be that tiny step that separates your 1000000000000000000000 damage build from the 1000000 build, and fuck you for thinking you figured anything out.

That tree was one of the reason why many new players didn't bother but then autistic devs decided to add passive tree modifying jewels... of multiple kinds..

 

[Sykar]

That skilltree is indeed massive and hard to read. However, it's not the main issue of PoE. And, to be fair, each class has a starting point to build from as a suggestion for a starting point. And to be even more fair, you should just go to some site with meta builds and take something that sounds like your thing.

Why? Because things don't end at the skill tree, oh no no.

Then you have the gems, and the way they multiply and scale and bounce off the tree, other items, various buffs, time of the day, your positioning in the chair, your latency, planetary alignment and a few other minor variables.

There's a few programs and such to help you plan your character, but until you've had 3+ years of hands-on PoE experience, I would not recommend trying to deviate from build instructions even for the tiniest step. Because it might be that tiny step that separates your 1000000000000000000000 damage build from the 1000000 build, and fuck you for thinking you figured anything out.

And yet in the end all it leads to is degenerate two or three button spam. And please spare me with "muh potions" because endgame builds kill and crit so much that keeping them on 24/7 is child's play.

 

[Reever]

Who has time for this shit?

People that want a deep character customization.
I think Chris Wilson said in an interview that they had an idea once of showing you only a small part of the skill tree at first and progressively unlocking more and more as you level but they decided against it because it would give the wrong impression off what the game is about. If you're going to be put off by the skill tree you're going to be put off by other system in the game as well.

 

[ArchAngel]

That skilltree is indeed massive and hard to read. However, it's not the main issue of PoE. And, to be fair, each class has a starting point to build from as a suggestion for a starting point. And to be even more fair, you should just go to some site with meta builds and take something that sounds like your thing.

Why? Because things don't end at the skill tree, oh no no.

Then you have the gems, and the way they multiply and scale and bounce off the tree, other items, various buffs, time of the day, your positioning in the chair, your latency, planetary alignment and a few other minor variables.

There's a few programs and such to help you plan your character, but until you've had 3+ years of hands-on PoE experience, I would not recommend trying to deviate from build instructions even for the tiniest step. Because it might be that tiny step that separates your 1000000000000000000000 damage build from the 1000000 build, and fuck you for thinking you figured anything out.

And yet in the end all it leads to is degenerate two or three button spam. And please spare me with "muh potions" because endgame builds kill and crit so much that keeping them on 24/7 is child's play.

Potions are a negative of PoE, not a positive. I didn't need to play potion piano in D2 to have fun. When I want to play a 100+ APM game I start Starcraft 2, it is only game where it is actually part of good design.

 

[Ryzer]

PoE made me realise that Diablo 2 was a mistake.
A dopamine cookie-clicker, not a game.
This genre is the equivalent of meth.

 

[Sykar]

That skilltree is indeed massive and hard to read. However, it's not the main issue of PoE. And, to be fair, each class has a starting point to build from as a suggestion for a starting point. And to be even more fair, you should just go to some site with meta builds and take something that sounds like your thing.

Why? Because things don't end at the skill tree, oh no no.

Then you have the gems, and the way they multiply and scale and bounce off the tree, other items, various buffs, time of the day, your positioning in the chair, your latency, planetary alignment and a few other minor variables.

There's a few programs and such to help you plan your character, but until you've had 3+ years of hands-on PoE experience, I would not recommend trying to deviate from build instructions even for the tiniest step. Because it might be that tiny step that separates your 1000000000000000000000 damage build from the 1000000 build, and fuck you for thinking you figured anything out.

And yet in the end all it leads to is degenerate two or three button spam. And please spare me with "muh potions" because endgame builds kill and crit so much that keeping them on 24/7 is child's play.

Potions are a negative of PoE, not a positive. I didn't need to play potion piano in D2 to have fun. When I want to play a 100+ APM game I start Starcraft 2, it is only game where it is actually part of good design.

Friend of mine was almost at 200 apm. Though then again, he was in a pro clan and trained a lot, unlike me since I was busy with work and just played a little after work to relax so he always spanked me but we had good fun. Though one day he challenged me on his old Super Nintendo that was still lying around but unlucky for him I was quite decent at Street Fighter 2 back in my earlier years. After I gave him good long spanking for a change despite being rusty compared to a decade before or so he was a little upset and I had to remind him that this is how I feel occasionally when he crushed me in Starcraft:BW even though we were overall having a good time.
Man sometimes I miss those days.

 

[Immortal]

"I love how deep and complex PoE is - I'm a true strategist!"

> looks up optimal build guides on autismo-builds.com where they've crunched everything through a spreadsheet for months
> deviating even a little from this build leads to a completely garbage largely unplayable experience

 

[Ryzer]

"I love how deep and complex PoE is - I'm a true strategist!"

> looks up optimal build guides on autismo-builds.com where they've crunched everything through a spreadsheet for months
> deviating even a little from this build leads to a completely garbage largely unplayable experience

You forgot the part where you have to farm for dozens of hours in boring areas, completing bland quests until you gain a significant level for the gameplay to turn into 5+ buttons mashup instead of a 2-3 buttons mashup.

 

[Immortal]

"I love how deep and complex PoE is - I'm a true strategist!"

> looks up optimal build guides on autismo-builds.com where they've crunched everything through a spreadsheet for months
> deviating even a little from this build leads to a completely garbage largely unplayable experience

You forgot the part where you have to farm for dozens of hours in boring areas, completing bland quests until you gain a significant level for the gameplay to turn into 5+ buttons mashup instead of a 2-3 buttons mashup.

I had more written out.. about how the PoE experience is 30% sitting around AFK waiting to trade up / down to get that exact set of items you need for said build.

But I think you could argue this is the nature of the beast when it comes to this game type.

The fundamental biggest issue with PoE is that experimentation and creativity are hugely punished - and that's usually the most rewarding part of the game.
New players see that large board and all those ability gems and think "wow.. I'm gonna try to create something uniqu- NO. Follow the excel sheet or you'll fail.

Never have I seen a newb trap so punishing. The chasm between the 20 'meta builds' and the 200 billion 'that's not gonna fucking work' builds is huge.
This game punishes the most enjoyable thing about an RPG - very severely. (You can lose 100's of hours on a bad mistake)

 

[Ryzer]

But I think you could argue this is the nature of the beast when it comes to this game type.

The fundamental biggest issue with PoE is that experimentation and creativity are hugely punished - and that's usually the most rewarding part of the game.
New players see that large board and all those ability gems and think "wow.. I'm gonna try to create something uniqu- NO. Follow the excel sheet or you'll fail.

Never have I seen a newb trap so punishing. The chasm between the 20 'meta builds' and the 200 billion 'that's not gonna fucking work' builds is huge.
This game punishes the most enjoyable thing about an RPG - very severely. (You can lose 100's of hours on a bad mistake)

Fun fact: This applies to Underrail too.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

 

[abija]

if you want a masterclass in taking your game apart and find out what's wrong with it, employ Kripp

PoE lead made a presentation about how much discussing with Kripp helped them early but somehow he manages to completely ignore his feedback after the game got big. He could just scour his stream for free consulting (and not only him, they have a bunch of level headed streamers).

Right the UI is trash, I agree. and hopefully they fix it. it's one of the few things fixable and bad things in D4.

If the Paragon system truns out to be 10 times more complex than PoE I'd be less surprised than UI changing before an expansion or major update.

mediocrepoet
Pretty sure PoE tree starts zoomed in. Take a hint.

 

[ArchAngel]

But I think you could argue this is the nature of the beast when it comes to this game type.

The fundamental biggest issue with PoE is that experimentation and creativity are hugely punished - and that's usually the most rewarding part of the game.
New players see that large board and all those ability gems and think "wow.. I'm gonna try to create something uniqu- NO. Follow the excel sheet or you'll fail.

Never have I seen a newb trap so punishing. The chasm between the 20 'meta builds' and the 200 billion 'that's not gonna fucking work' builds is huge.
This game punishes the most enjoyable thing about an RPG - very severely. (You can lose 100's of hours on a bad mistake)

Fun fact: This applies to Underrail too.

Only partly because it is way less complex so it is harder to fuck up. In underrail I made my own build from start and made to end of the game. Only thing I knew before I started Underrail is that I should not spread too much and try to focus my character.
With PoE I made like 30 builds before I hit one that was able to do end game at that point. Later I would follow some builds and instantly be able to do endgame.
Even with that, some build guides still let you just have barely functional end game character instead of something fun (mostly because I picked builds to follow by what sounded fun instead what is top 10% of meta builds).

 

[Grotesque]

It went from his passion to a dayjob. He's talked about it before; when he got a girlfriend and then a wife, well. More important things in life. I don't blame him. I do find it weird for anyone to still enjoy that content after this long though.

The problem with Kripp is that he's woke now, and I bet this is because of his girlfriend (who has the charisma of a frozen onion by the way)
He has Trump derangement syndrome and one of his last feats was to lament how Musk ruined Twitter and the servers will shut any day now.

Well, at least he can still make competent critiques

 

[Immortal]

It went from his passion to a dayjob. He's talked about it before; when he got a girlfriend and then a wife, well. More important things in life. I don't blame him. I do find it weird for anyone to still enjoy that content after this long though.

The problem with Kripp is that he's woke now, and I bet this is because of his girlfriend (who has the charisma of a frozen onion by the way)
He has Trump derangement syndrome and one of his last feats was to lament how Musk ruined Twitter and the servers will shut any day now.

Well, at least he can still make competent critiques

His peek was killing Diablo on hardcore pre-nerf.
That was when he was his most passionate.

Now he sits in his chair dead eyed, playing hearthstone 24/7 with zero emotion.. counting down the minutes to death. Wokism is soul destroying.

 

[Angthoron]

Pretty sure PoE tree starts zoomed in. Take a hint.

I think they changed that, but I'm not sure. It definitely did start zoomed out at one point though, yeah, and it was a long ass point, too, you could say it was a line and not a point, in fact.

It went from his passion to a dayjob. He's talked about it before; when he got a girlfriend and then a wife, well. More important things in life. I don't blame him. I do find it weird for anyone to still enjoy that content after this long though.

The problem with Kripp is that he's woke now, and I bet this is because of his girlfriend (who has the charisma of a frozen onion by the way)
He has Trump derangement syndrome and one of his last feats was to lament how Musk ruined Twitter and the servers will shut any day now.

Well, at least he can still make competent critiques

Is hating Musk woke or unwoke?

I had more written out.. about how the PoE experience is 30% sitting around AFK waiting to trade up / down to get that exact set of items you need for said build.

So much this, if you want to try out any of the remotely interesting builds. I have no idea how people playing SSF don't die of boredom.


Still, for all the shit I might give to PoE, I do end up enjoying the process of following the meta build, watching the numbers grow and the mobs melt, and finally being able to clear big-name bosses. It's satisfying in the end, somehow.