Diablo IV

[Reinhardt]

you could see my laquanda m'bongo druid on previous pages

 

[bloodlover]

I'm more worried about druids being complete shit to play and having low dmg compared to other classes. I played a sorc that blasted through everything while my friend played a druid and he kept mumbling on an on about how shitty his class is.

They need to do an overhaul on druid and barb asap so at least some people will play them since most ppl are going to roll sorc or necro anyway.

 

[Zlaja]

They need to do an overhaul on druid and barb asap so at least some people will play them since most ppl are going to roll sorc or necro anyway

It's more important to nerf both sorc and necro, and make them more vulnerable.

 

[made]

Played necromancer to lvl 25 mostly just spamming the blood aoe skill and bone spike for single target. Coming from Lost Ark, where you juggle 8-10 abilities + constantly dodge boss patterns while positioning for counter or back attacks, this felt pretty basic. Atmosphere and semi open world were decent enough. I'll probably get it for the story and exploration if some key site has it for ~30 bucks some time after release, but asking 70$ + 10$ every few months for some cosmetics and whatnot seems ludicrous considering you can play LA or POE completely for free.

 

[bloodlover]

They need to do an overhaul on druid and barb asap so at least some people will play them since most ppl are going to roll sorc or necro anyway

It's more important to nerf both sorc and necro, and make them more vulnerable.

They won't. Players expect the fast paced gameplay of PoE but with less convoluted skills and crafting.

 

[Zeriel]

Am I the only one who couldn't bring myself to play as the Druid, because the dude was just too fucking fat? I haven't seen anyone else complain about this. I can't handle that body inclusivity shit. I would be fine with him being a little round, but you could hardly tell a difference between his human shape and his bear shape.

I'd be fine with it if there was actual "diversity" in body shapes; like, a fat dude, a buff young dude, a man woman is fine so long as you have a total sexpot barbie in addition... but they only ever do the ugly shit, so you can tell what their agenda is.

 

[ELEXmakesMeHard]

Am I the only one who couldn't bring myself to play as the Druid, because the dude was just too fucking fat? I haven't seen anyone else complain about this. I can't handle that body inclusivity shit. I would be fine with him being a little round, but you could hardly tell a difference between his human shape and his bear shape.

If I was designing a character that was practically a werebear, I'd be tempted to go for the same kind of look. All-in on body mass. And you can tell they're "strong-fat" and not "slob-fat".

The D4 Druid design is exactly like the werebears in TW3 btw.



Besides, I like how aggravating this druid design is to people who want to play him as a petite little wood elf femboy.

That being said... if I could, I'd make my druid look closer to the barbarian in terms of body shape.

 

[Tacgnol]

Male druid somewhat reminds me of how Druss the Legend is described in Gemmell's books.

Lack of body options is just weird though.

 

[Zlaja]

Besides, I like how aggravating this Druid design is to people who want to play him as a petite little wood elf femboy

Fuck you! Did he look like an "elf femboy" in D2?

 

[Kjaska]

WoW did to Everquest and company, steal their dissatisfied casual audience until both games end dead or zombie MMOs on life support with a miniscule core audience.

I'm gonna hard disagree here. WoW was their first MMO for many and I would go as far to say that the majority of WoW's playerbase was comprised of MMO-virgins, who wanted to play it just because it was:

- a Blizzard game
- set in the Warcraft universe
- they played the little campaign with the Ogre hero in WC3 and liked it
- their friends told them that they are going to play it

I think D4 will take some of the PoE's playerbase, but their main audience is going to come from D2R/D3/WoW and Diablo Immoral. It could still end up a sacrificial lamb on the altar of pumping their acquisition price to MicroSoft, the way WB did with Justice League.

 

[ArchAngel]

I'm more worried about druids being complete shit to play and having low dmg compared to other classes. I played a sorc that blasted through everything while my friend played a druid and he kept mumbling on an on about how shitty his class is.

They need to do an overhaul on druid and barb asap so at least some people will play them since most ppl are going to roll sorc or necro anyway.

Druid is pretty strong and basically unkillable once you get some legendaries for druid abilities.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

The D4 Druid design is exactly like the werebears in TW3 btw.

Which comes from some weird assumption that bears are the animal equivalent of strongmen. They aren't. They have a lot of fairly loose skin and fur, but underneath that, their muscles are that of any predator - long and lean.

In any case, a fat dude, no matter how strong fat he appears, doesn't exactly scream "I live in nature" to me, unless he's about to go into hibernation instead of gearing up to smash some demonic hoe. A druid should be whipcord and rawhide, not jello over triple marbled steak.

 

[RegionalHobo]

i liked the classes gameplay mostly but i fear there s nothing to use that gameplay on

i know braindead monsters are a arpg staple, but games like lost ark and poe have more interesting enemies and some great bosses which so far d4 lacks, imo

setting and plot wise the game is fino imo even if some things had me laughing like the hell key location and the penitent knight armor

 

[v1c70r14]

Diablo IV - the corridor simulator



why in this game & D3 and honestly, mostly other games, the map design is corridors, like you are in a cave or something? some corridor sare narrower than others, but still corridors.

what happened to maps that are just wide plains with different features and points of interests?

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just look at these open maps from Divine Divinity where you can go anywhere and have the feeling of real exploration

Why didn't they make the same style of maps for Diablo 4?

How is the dungeon map design in D4 for the non-cave locations?

From what I've seen Diablo 2 has more open levels than Diablo 4, and that wasn't supposed to be open world. After hearing about the level scaling, that there will be mounts and all that Diablo 4 seems more like the MMO version of Sacred than a sequel in the Diablo series. Sacred was much more open though, while there were corridors in some places there were also entirely open spaces. Maybe one day Blizzard will make a game as good as Ascaron did in 2004.

What's the best way to do a single player good ol' D2 run or two for old time's sake? Ignore the D2R thing?

Somebody seems to be running a version swticher - which patch should I use? I can't remember that from 2002 or whatever.
[URL]https://github.com/fearedbliss/Cactus[/URL]

There’s no reason not to play D2R if you just want to play D2

My complete Diablo 2 installation is less than 2 GB, there is no reason to install a worse version that's 30 GB.

 

[Zeriel]

The answer is pretty obvious, if the question isn't rhetorical: big companies like Blizzard design games for the lowest common denominator, and the perception, whether valid or not, is that unguided experiences where the player can get lost and potentially not know where they are going will turn them off and lose a customer. In my experience the opposite is often the case, even normies are looking to lose themselves in a game world to forget the real world, but this attitude from game devs is overwhelmingly pervasive in the industry, even niche designers like Josh Sawyer (may he trip and break his neck, mashallah) subscribe to it, the philosophy that you should design an experience to consist of completely sanded down, soft edges, where the player can never fail, and thus also never excel.

 

[Dadd]

A game about killing Satan, but no holy class. Maybe it'll be DLC but it should be one of the default classes.

 

[v1c70r14]

A game about killing Satan, but no holy class. Maybe it'll be DLC but it should be one of the default classes.

This is current year Blizzard, I think the endgame is lesbian romances with Lilith.

 

[Yosharian]

Diablo IV - the corridor simulator



why in this game & D3 and honestly, mostly other games, the map design is corridors, like you are in a cave or something? some corridor sare narrower than others, but still corridors.

what happened to maps that are just wide plains with different features and points of interests?

View attachment 34590

just look at these open maps from Divine Divinity where you can go anywhere and have the feeling of real exploration

Why didn't they make the same style of maps for Diablo 4?

How is the dungeon map design in D4 for the non-cave locations?

From what I've seen Diablo 2 has more open levels than Diablo 4, and that wasn't supposed to be open world. After hearing about the level scaling, that there will be mounts and all that Diablo 4 seems more like the MMO version of Sacred than a sequel in the Diablo series. Sacred was much more open though, while there were corridors in some places there were also entirely open spaces. Maybe one day Blizzard will make a game as good as Ascaron did in 2004.

What's the best way to do a single player good ol' D2 run or two for old time's sake? Ignore the D2R thing?

Somebody seems to be running a version swticher - which patch should I use? I can't remember that from 2002 or whatever.
[URL]https://github.com/fearedbliss/Cactus[/URL]

There’s no reason not to play D2R if you just want to play D2

My complete Diablo 2 installation is less than 2 GB, there is no reason to install a worse version that's 30 GB.

Yes you're totally right, hard drive space is the real issue here

 

[Immortal]

- legendaries won't be as available on launch (this is why the game feels so easy atm: it's tuned around you having 1-2 legendaries instead of a full equip)

"Game is too easy"

Remove Legendaries on Launch
Remove Sets on Launch
Keep Level scaling


Checks out.. Blizzard designers at their best.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

D4's legendary items are worse designed than Immortal's legendary gems (from which the system was copied).

 

[bloodlover]

I'm more worried about druids being complete shit to play and having low dmg compared to other classes. I played a sorc that blasted through everything while my friend played a druid and he kept mumbling on an on about how shitty his class is.

They need to do an overhaul on druid and barb asap so at least some people will play them since most ppl are going to roll sorc or necro anyway.

Druid is pretty strong and basically unkillable once you get some legendaries for druid abilities.

Legendaries won't drop like they did in beta; and maybe all classes eventually become awesome with good gear and high level but getting there... I see a lot of frustrated players online when it comes to actually leveling.

 

[Grunker]

I don't think skipping PoE campaign would be a good idea. It doesn't take that long to complete once you know what you're doing, and it always feels like a great change of pace to go from Act 10 Kitava into maps. Especially on Hardcore since you can't just have your brain on AFK against Kitava for the most part.

I do not enjoy PoE campaign because your build does not really start until you hit lvl 70+

nigga I play righteous fire a build notorious for coming online late, and i switch to that shit in like act 5

the more you talk about poe the more i become convinced that rather than us having a disagreement about styles, you're just not very good, which is of course alright, except you think you're very good so you miss out fun by refusing to learn

 

[Storyfag]

A game about killing Satan, but no holy class. Maybe it'll be DLC but it should be one of the default classes.

Eh, to be completely honest, D1 didn't have a specifically  holy class either.

 

[Reinhardt]

A game about killing Satan, but no holy class. Maybe it'll be DLC but it should be one of the default classes.

Eh, to be completely honest, D1 didn't have a specifically  holy class either.

and that's why diablo survived.

 

[ArchAngel]

I don't think skipping PoE campaign would be a good idea. It doesn't take that long to complete once you know what you're doing, and it always feels like a great change of pace to go from Act 10 Kitava into maps. Especially on Hardcore since you can't just have your brain on AFK against Kitava for the most part.

I do not enjoy PoE campaign because your build does not really start until you hit lvl 70+

nigga I play righteous fire a build notorious for coming online late, and i switch to that shit in like act 5

the more you talk about poe the more i become convinced that rather than us having a disagreement about styles, you're just not very good, which is of course alright, except you think you're very good so you miss out fun by refusing to learn

I never said I am elite POE player. Those nolife PoE, grind content and trade like crazy so they can buy their 30 ex/divine items. None of that is fun for me so PoE has lost its fun long time ago. I just have not found anything to replace it with. I play Path of Diablo here and there for my D2 fix but I am still waiting for that one big new aRPG to replace PoE.
I do not care about grinding or end game, I never played D2 beyond finishing Act 5 on Hell difficulty and then I started a new character. I only played PoE endgame because there is no other content in that game and you cannot bring your character to lvl 90+ otherwise.