Diablo IV

[Skinwalker]

figuring out your name

You're moving the goalposts.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

is this game worth getting? Have been playing Grim Dawn again, building up a character in anticipation for the new GD DLC that is going to release, is this worth it? Compared to Grim Dawn how does it compare? really GD is the only type of game like this I ever have enjoyed, I keep trying others, but they seem to suck..lol..I have like 1400 hours in GD though, would like to find some other game..

 

[Skinwalker]

is this game worth getting? Have been playing Grim Dawn again, building up a character in anticipation for the new GD DLC that is going to release, is this worth it? Compared to Grim Dawn how does it compare? really GD is the only type of game like this I ever have enjoyed, I keep trying others, but they seem to suck..lol..I have like 1400 hours in GD though, would like to find some other game..

It is better than drim gawn in every conceivable and several inconceivable ways.

 

[Myobi]

People moaning and begging others to stop posting negative reviews on steam on this fucking thing is killing me

 

[abija]

is this game worth getting? Have been playing Grim Dawn again, building up a character in anticipation for the new GD DLC that is going to release, is this worth it? Compared to Grim Dawn how does it compare? really GD is the only type of game like this I ever have enjoyed, I keep trying others, but they seem to suck..lol..I have like 1400 hours in GD though, would like to find some other game..

If GD was the only game in the genre you liked, don't spend money on D4.

 

[Lucumo]

Lol, they fucked up again. And again. Latest new "bug" is a doozy. So they introduced a streamer mode to D4 in S2... but they also introduced, apparently semi related but also unrelated, a "feature" whereby no matter what your account settings are, your real life name appears next to your character name when you look at yourself in a clan. Allegedly this doesn't show to other players (although there are reports of it doing so despite them having realid turned off), but it does always show to yourself, so anyone who happens to stream or take a screenshot without turning on streamer mode is doxxing themselves. Not to mention the just... basic immersion and preference factor of most people not wanting to see their real name plastered next to their fantasy character.

How do they even have the people's real names?

From their battle net account, I'd assume? Probably not all of those are actual real names, but yeah.

Most people have them on there. From credit cards, subscriptions, etc. It's really hard to actually make real world financial payments without exposing a real identity, unless you regularly engage in fraud and use other people's names.

That's what makes what Blizzard did (and is still doing, it seems) so wild, though. Usually companies at least try to present a facade of trying to protect people's private details that have to be exposed when making purchases and verifying their identity. Turning around and without permission just throwing that information out to the public is still enough to piss people off. It's one thing if your business model is "We are the place to put your family networks" ala Facebook, but there is no real expectation when you sign up to play Overwatch or Diablo that you are also signing up to have your real name shown to millions of strangers because Blizzard decides it is anti-toxic.

There is cash for the real world and stuff like paysafecard for the virtual one.

Back in the day, most of my classmates who used Fecesbook just used abbreviated and/or half-fake names there.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

is this game worth getting? Have been playing Grim Dawn again, building up a character in anticipation for the new GD DLC that is going to release, is this worth it? Compared to Grim Dawn how does it compare? really GD is the only type of game like this I ever have enjoyed, I keep trying others, but they seem to suck..lol..I have like 1400 hours in GD though, would like to find some other game..

It is better than drim gawn in every conceivable and several inconceivable ways.

wow, really? That would genuinely make me happy, because I have tried a lot of these games and they mostly seem to suck.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

is this game worth getting? Have been playing Grim Dawn again, building up a character in anticipation for the new GD DLC that is going to release, is this worth it? Compared to Grim Dawn how does it compare? really GD is the only type of game like this I ever have enjoyed, I keep trying others, but they seem to suck..lol..I have like 1400 hours in GD though, would like to find some other game..

If GD was the only game in the genre you liked, don't spend money on D4.

why though?

 

[Peachcurl]

What exactly did you like about GD; and what was missing from the other games in the genre you tried?

And no, D4 definitely is not better than GD in every conceivable way.

 

[Zeriel]

Lol, they fucked up again. And again. Latest new "bug" is a doozy. So they introduced a streamer mode to D4 in S2... but they also introduced, apparently semi related but also unrelated, a "feature" whereby no matter what your account settings are, your real life name appears next to your character name when you look at yourself in a clan. Allegedly this doesn't show to other players (although there are reports of it doing so despite them having realid turned off), but it does always show to yourself, so anyone who happens to stream or take a screenshot without turning on streamer mode is doxxing themselves. Not to mention the just... basic immersion and preference factor of most people not wanting to see their real name plastered next to their fantasy character.

How do they even have the people's real names?

From their battle net account, I'd assume? Probably not all of those are actual real names, but yeah.

Most people have them on there. From credit cards, subscriptions, etc. It's really hard to actually make real world financial payments without exposing a real identity, unless you regularly engage in fraud and use other people's names.

That's what makes what Blizzard did (and is still doing, it seems) so wild, though. Usually companies at least try to present a facade of trying to protect people's private details that have to be exposed when making purchases and verifying their identity. Turning around and without permission just throwing that information out to the public is still enough to piss people off. It's one thing if your business model is "We are the place to put your family networks" ala Facebook, but there is no real expectation when you sign up to play Overwatch or Diablo that you are also signing up to have your real name shown to millions of strangers because Blizzard decides it is anti-toxic.

There is cash for the real world and stuff like paysafecard for the virtual one.

Back in the day, most of my classmates who used Fecesbook just used abbreviated and/or half-fake names there.

Yeah. The thing with Facebook is they create ghost accounts for family members, so if your family members use it for its real purpose, you are technically part of the Big Brother network. Photos they take, you are marked, etc. The whole thing is built like the government's wet dream (because it is).

 

[Elttharion]

Why would anyone enter their real name into a battle.net account?!

FYI, you don't need to enter any name for online credit card purchases, either. ABC XYZ is sufficient. And it's not fraud.

Blizzard used to ask your real name and a picture from an official document when you needed to recover or unblock an account. At least they did 10 years ago when mine got blocked because I traveled a lot and kept logging from different IPs and networks. They refused to reactivate it unless I sent then a picture of my ID card and a bunch of other stuff.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

What exactly did you like about GD; and what was missing from the other games in the genre you tried?

And no, D4 definitely is not better than GD in every conceivable way.

I liked the building of the charters, I liked that it had a story the 1st time you played and the little well written notes etc...I liked the world, I liked they kept adding stuff to it even now and balancing the game so that all types of builds are fun to try. I guess the character building, world, mood, items, pace, how combat 'felt'..

I tried Path of Exile a few times but never really liked it...
I did like Torchlight 2 enough to finish it actually, liked it better than Path of Exile
I played Titan Quest for 60 hours, so I did like it, but I never finished all of the expansions I don't think, I doubt I would go back to it unless they made a sequel..
I did like Diablo 2 back in the day..
Diablo 3 felt like it was on railroads, like no exploration or something and it was really easy, I only played like 15 hours.,..maybe it gets better? I stopped playing

Then there are a bunch of others I played for 10-30 hours but never really liked..a Warhammer 40k one I played way too much for how dumb it was...Victor Vran, and a similar one and they looked cool but when I actually played them they had a weird camera angle while playing that made it annoying to play. I was hoping Last Epoch was going to be good, played it for like 15 minutes and immediately refunded. There were a couple of others like that too...Lost Ark is one...

Anyway, maybe someday somebody will make one almost as good as Grim Dawn...I guess Path of Exile 2 is going to come out sometime soon, I suppose I will give that a shot..

 

[Lucumo]

There is cash for the real world and stuff like paysafecard for the virtual one.

Back in the day, most of my classmates who used Fecesbook just used abbreviated and/or half-fake names there.

Yeah. The thing with Facebook is they create ghost accounts for family members, so if your family members use it for its real purpose, you are technically part of the Big Brother network. Photos they take, you are marked, etc. The whole thing is built like the government's wet dream (because it is).

No family member is. And uploading private photos to show to the world would be an even bigger step. Never understood that...but then again, I'm no narcissistic person. I think I have a ghost account on LinkedIn though because a former classmate shared her email address book...
But yeah, the data tentacles are everywhere.

 

[Zeriel]

There is cash for the real world and stuff like paysafecard for the virtual one.

Back in the day, most of my classmates who used Fecesbook just used abbreviated and/or half-fake names there.

Yeah. The thing with Facebook is they create ghost accounts for family members, so if your family members use it for its real purpose, you are technically part of the Big Brother network. Photos they take, you are marked, etc. The whole thing is built like the government's wet dream (because it is).

No family member is. And uploading private photos to show to the world would be an even bigger step. Never understood that...but then again, I'm no narcissistic person. I think I have a ghost account on LinkedIn though because a former classmate shared her email address book...
But yeah, the data tentacles are everywhere.

A bunch of my family members use it to keep in touch with each other and share photos of babies and yada yada. I don't get it either, but obviously the company knows what it is doing, way too many people are willing to trade freedom and privacy for convenience.

 

[Zeriel]

What exactly did you like about GD; and what was missing from the other games in the genre you tried?

And no, D4 definitely is not better than GD in every conceivable way.

I liked the building of the charters, I liked that it had a story the 1st time you played and the little well written notes etc...I liked the world, I liked they kept adding stuff to it even now and balancing the game so that all types of builds are fun to try. I guess the character building, world, mood, items, pace, how combat 'felt'..

I tried Path of Exile a few times but never really liked it...
I did like Torchlight 2 enough to finish it actually, liked it better than Path of Exile
I played Titan Quest for 60 hours, so I did like it, but I never finished all of the expansions I don't think, I doubt I would go back to it unless they made a sequel..
I did like Diablo 2 back in the day..
Diablo 3 felt like it was on railroads, like no exploration or something and it was really easy, I only played like 15 hours.,..maybe it gets better? I stopped playing

Then there are a bunch of others I played for 10-30 hours but never really liked..a Warhammer 40k one I played way too much for how dumb it was...Victor Vran, and a similar one and they looked cool but when I actually played them they had a weird camera angle while playing that made it annoying to play. I was hoping Last Epoch was going to be good, played it for like 15 minutes and immediately refunded. There were a couple of others like that too...Lost Ark is one...

Anyway, maybe someday somebody will make one almost as good as Grim Dawn...I guess Path of Exile 2 is going to come out sometime soon, I suppose I will give that a shot..

If you like Grim Dawn's style of singleplayer focused Diablo clone I don't think D4 will cut it for you. Similar games... maybe Victor Vran? It seemed like it got some hate on release and went under the radar over time, but I found it quite fun at the time as a disposable experience.

Last Epoch is also an interesting experience. Mostly for the timetravel gimmick, the world maps are really cool and for the first dozen hours or so there is this feeling of "what's next?" that is really fun. It tapers off towards the end and has an awful non-story endgame.


They're all a little different. I don't think any of them are quite like GD. And I am myself waiting for a sequel.

 

[Nekot-The-Brave]

Had fun with the latest season of D4. Got to level 100, but didn't fully complete my 'season journey' thing yet.
It's pretty cool to play with friends, but the solo content is a lot better this season than before.
Blood Harvest is pretty fun, which is a new helltide type event that switches between areas of the world map each hour. You go around killing vampires and stuff and participate in quick events, and get hunted and whatnot. It's one of the quicker ways to level up when you're lower level (below 70) but drops off quick after that.
The new endgame bosses are pretty neat, though the Ice one was kind of a pain just due to the length and 'invincibility times', and the way that the mats drop to summon them encourage exploring the different types of content to get the loot that you want to drop.
I wasn't too much of a fan of the max Ilvl gear dropping stuff like world bosses, mainly because I wasn't really expecting it based off of what the devs said during their livestreams and the patch notes, but it is what it is.
But overall the improvements made are pretty good, though there's still a lot to be done, which will be implemented later.

 

[Zeriel]

I agree it's "fun" but basically puts the nail in the coffin of the game as a real ARPG. You max out and reach the "nothing left to do" stage after a few days instead of a month or so. I suppose they're counting on the expansion to add a real endgame... or, more likely, getting the entire playerbase to cycle through all content in a few days and max out the premium battle pass before getting bored is their business model. PoE for the actual ARPG players, Diablo 4 for the masses who only have an hour to play after work.

 

[Cohesion]

I agree it's "fun" but basically puts the nail in the coffin of the game as a real ARPG. You max out and reach the "nothing left to do" stage after a few days instead of a month or so. I suppose they're counting on the expansion to add a real endgame... or, more likely, getting the entire playerbase to cycle through all content in a few days and max out the premium battle pass before getting bored is their business model. PoE for the actual ARPG players, Diablo 4 for the masses who only have an hour to play after work.

What about Last Epoch?

 

[Cyberarmy]

I agree it's "fun" but basically puts the nail in the coffin of the game as a real ARPG. You max out and reach the "nothing left to do" stage after a few days instead of a month or so. I suppose they're counting on the expansion to add a real endgame... or, more likely, getting the entire playerbase to cycle through all content in a few days and max out the premium battle pass before getting bored is their business model. PoE for the actual ARPG players, Diablo 4 for the masses who only have an hour to play after work.

What about Last Epoch?

It IS janky and not in a good way. Game has lots of builds and refreshingly most of them are viable somehow but it feels slogish to play.

 

[Lacrymas]

I agree it's "fun" but basically puts the nail in the coffin of the game as a real ARPG. You max out and reach the "nothing left to do" stage after a few days instead of a month or so. I suppose they're counting on the expansion to add a real endgame... or, more likely, getting the entire playerbase to cycle through all content in a few days and max out the premium battle pass before getting bored is their business model. PoE for the actual ARPG players, Diablo 4 for the masses who only have an hour to play after work.

What about Last Epoch?

It IS janky and not in a good way. Game has lots of builds and refreshingly most of them are viable somehow but it feels slogish to play.

The builds are viable because the campaign is brain-dead easy. You'll see the same builds on the ladder constantly where it actually matters. There are specs where you will be severely ineffective if you don't use certain abilities. If you like Titan Quest/Grim Dawn-style hack and slashers, Last Epoch is not it. LE is made by people who like a very specific part of hack and slashers, namely the endgame grind for better and better gear, so everything else feels like an afterthought, at least for now.

 

[Zeriel]

I agree it's "fun" but basically puts the nail in the coffin of the game as a real ARPG. You max out and reach the "nothing left to do" stage after a few days instead of a month or so. I suppose they're counting on the expansion to add a real endgame... or, more likely, getting the entire playerbase to cycle through all content in a few days and max out the premium battle pass before getting bored is their business model. PoE for the actual ARPG players, Diablo 4 for the masses who only have an hour to play after work.

What about Last Epoch?

It IS janky and not in a good way. Game has lots of builds and refreshingly most of them are viable somehow but it feels slogish to play.

The builds are viable because the campaign is brain-dead easy. You'll see the same builds on the ladder constantly where it actually matters. There are specs where you will be severely ineffective if you don't use certain abilities. If you like Titan Quest/Grim Dawn-style hack and slashers, Last Epoch is not it. LE is made by people who like a very specific part of hack and slashers, namely the endgame grind for better and better gear, so everything else feels like an afterthought, at least for now.

I disagree with that. If anything I feel like the end game is really poor in LE. You may just be approaching the same issue from a different angle though. I think the cause of the endgame is not their design approach, but a lack of care towards it compared to the rest of the game.

 

[sebas]

Let's face it every arpg will have very little end game at launch. PoE is practically the WoW of arpgs nowadays with so much content that nothing else can come close. LE will get end game added post release.

 

[Zeriel]

It already has one, it just isn't very compelling, and that's somewhat structured into its design. It is a Diablo 3 "Rift style" endgame.

I think you're sort of right in the sense that PoE builds novelty into its endgame. You can't do the same thing over and over (i.e Rifts) and have fun, you need constant churn of new stuff which PoE does very well. On the other hand, the constant churn makes a lot of people get fed up with it too.

 

[sebas]

There's also that I can't play PoE anymore because I've missed so many leagues at this point I would need a week of intense study to get anywhere near it.

 

[Lacrymas]

I disagree with that. If anything I feel like the end game is really poor in LE. You may just be approaching the same issue from a different angle though. I think the cause of the endgame is not their design approach, but a lack of care towards it compared to the rest of the game.

Oh, I didn't comment on how good the endgame is, I was just saying that it looks like endgame is their focus and is going to be their focus since the campaign is ...of debatable quality and super easy.