Disco Elysium Pre-Release Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Adidas-Clichèd Cringe]

Watched some of Cohh's stream and oh man, the stuff that black supremacist character was saying certainly caught me by surprise.

 

[vota DC]

What is "pale"?

An ancient folk able to build flying machines and even go to the moon. They had strange habits like avoid to punch their own chest or punish people that eat other people.

 

[Lithium Flower]

Man I was going to write out why I think this particular example of self-censorship is pointless and, ironically enough, pretty crass (unless its indeed just an optional courtesy feature, in which case I have no problem with it) but I see the Codex reactionaries have already taken the argument to its most hysterical reaches. Here is the funny thing, you righto*ds - this game contains a far more charitable and in-depth representation of your degenerate ideology than nearly anything that came before it. There are at least two instances in the previews where you can explore race realist ideas in a more or less balanced fashion (as balanced as a representation of your inanity can be, anyway) and your character can even come away 100% on board with them - one with the lorry driver and the other with Measurehead. You should be heralding the game as a machine for red pills for even giving you the time of day, but instead you reject it because of a few asterixes. Good riddance, I guess.

Another funny thing - if Prime Junta is wrong and the filter is indeed optional, that would be the second time he has accidentally misrepresented the game to seem *more* limited than it actually is (the first being the time he told us there are some checks that must be passed in order to progress.) So much for a shill, eh? :^)

 

[Alienman]

Yes, yes, commie game of the decade financed by a big medical mogul.

 

[Lithium Flower]

Man I was going to write out why I think this particular example of self-censorship is pointless

no, you weren't

saying you were is just a little gay intro to the moan that actually follows

Not quite as gay as I made your dad sound last night :^)

 

[fantadomat]

Man I was going to write out why I think this particular example of self-censorship is pointless

no, you weren't

saying you were is just a little gay intro to the moan that actually follows

Not quite as gay as I made your dad sound last night :^)

Flower,be my glorious sex slave so i could punish you with my sweet sweet little nothings.

 

[asterix]

I just read on the tolerant forum that they do in fact have a swearing filter in the game and the streamers were using it. Dunno if true

Here's the settings screen in its entirety, as per the streams:

I wonder if someone saw the asterisks part, took it to mean that all f-words can be similarly censored and is now gleefully spreading the news.

Which means all the people who don't want any fucks in their games are gonna be in for a surprise once they load this up.

 

[bataille]

Man I was going to write out why I think this particular example of self-censorship is pointless and, ironically enough, pretty crass (unless its indeed just an optional courtesy feature, in which case I have no problem with it) but I see the Codex reactionaries have already taken the argument to its most hysterical reaches. Here is the funny thing, you righto*ds - this game contains a far more charitable and in-depth representation of your degenerate ideology than nearly anything that came before it. There are at least two instances in the previews where you can explore race realist ideas in a more or less balanced fashion (as balanced as a representation of your inanity can be, anyway) and your character can even come away 100% on board with them - one with the lorry driver and the other with Measurehead. You should be heralding the game as a machine for red pills for even giving you the time of day, but instead you reject it because of a few asterixes. Good riddance, I guess.

Another funny thing - if Prime Junta is wrong and the filter is indeed optional, that would be the second time he has accidentally misrepresented the game to seem *more* limited than it actually is (the first being the time he told us there are some checks that must be passed in order to progress.) So much for a shill, eh? :^)

Honestly, this sounds more like a cuno/cunoesse case than measurehead, i.e. the fantasy of a total, unrestricted id-rampage, not any substantial content of the particular transgression.

 

[fantadomat]

Lithium Flower why do you turn this shit in to left/right political shit? How many books have read,games played that have ***** in mid sentence? Do you think that it is acceptable thing to do?

 

[Lithium Flower]

Why would it matter if you know what the character is going to say anyways? If you are set on being offended or whatever, fag or f*g shouldn't matter, since from what I have learnt from the Twitter mob it's all but intent, even if it wasn't intended.

Because hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue. F*g tells the audience that you know it’s not nice to call people fags, which is what the people who’d object really care about. It’s a bright neon sign screaming “this is a depiction, not an endorsement.”

My argument against the whole asterix thing is actually from a left of center position - sure, I can see the "depiction not endorsement" argument for putting the asterix in but I think doing so also dilutes the impact of the word in a way that can be taken as downplaying its negative impacts and I personally find that distasteful. I think that if you are exploring a controversial position in earnest you shouldn't pull punches - imagine a serious drama about the horrors of American slavery with all the racist plantation owners literally calling Africans "n-words." It would come off as surreal and crass to me. I even think that ZA/UM's writers probably agree with me as they did not feel the need to have any such asterix-laden neon signs for the game's racial content, or indeed the mention of pederasty by the clearly homophobic Measurehead or the "liberast" label being brought up if not in the game then in blog posts (for those unfamiliar, the equivalent of "faggot" in post-soviet countries, or at least in Russian-speaking ones, is a variant of "pederast" - the implication being that homosexuals practice pedophilia - which I think carries with it way more harmful baggage than "faggot") and, if Prime Junta is correct, they only bothered to censor the f-slur because some Americans complained.

This seems like a very specific concession for the sake of either the game's twitch coverage or a publisher's/investor's pet issue. If ZA/UM's priority was the reduction of offense - which is an understandable priority if not one I share - then surely rewriting the slur out of the script entirely would be more prudent than keeping the script intact but leaving it obviously censored. Intuitively, I think that most people poised to take offense at the word's inclusion will still do so regardless of the censorship. The only other explanation I can think of is that ZA/UM were trying to be subversive: "we were told we can't have this word in the so we just bleeped it out instead of excluding it entirely so that everyone knows what we really meant."

Flower,be my glorious sex slave so i could punish you with my sweet sweet little nothings.

This is like the real-life version of "I want to have fuck with you." Fanta perfectly represents a low psych character, in the way of constant tantrums coupled with the inability to get laid.

 

[fantadomat]

This is like the real-life version of "I want to have fuck with you." Fanta perfectly represents a low psych character, in the way of constant tantrums coupled with the inability to get laid.

Do you have problem with me getting in to larping psyhe ?

So do you want to have sex with me?

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Does seem rather off-putting that a game betting on its punk, upstart sensibilities feels the need to censor words. I see no reason to not include this as an option, or at the least provide an optional patch for players to download.

That bothers me quite a bit too. First time Disco's lost hype points with me. I see riding the cock carousel, being culturally enriched, slavs being potato loving goblins, and heroic/servile/vile pederast races, but drawing the line at the word faggot sounds like the action of someone who doesn't fuck my mother. Especially since there's a screenshot of calling someone a fucking rotten dyke whore or something along those lines, unless that's an old screenshot and it's since been adjusted by the ministry of corrections.

Jesus fuck guys, what's all this screeching about some asterixes. The words are still there, you know full well what the uncensored versions would be, the scenes are not rewritten or otherwise changed. If you're that desperate to hear them said out loud, shout them out to yourself when you play or smth, use that glorious imagination of a seasoned RPG player you are/pretend to be and treat it as just another unvoiced line.

I like my RPGs with tasteful rape and non-stop faggotry in them. Disco censoring one of those lowers it in my estimation. I thought this wasn't supposed to be a goddamn Obsidian game.

 

[Lithium Flower]

Lithium Flower why do you turn this shit in to left/right political shit?

You are right, this discussion was entirely apolitical before I contributed to it.

Seeing as have you previously used Planescape as an example of a D&D setting written "before hipsters decided to put them fucken politics into shit" (okay, I am paraphrasing slightly as no sentence I can possibly write can translate even an iota of your inanity), let me ask you - and I am genuinely curious - what do you think "politics" means? Do you think it solely describes a bunch of people talking about policy in parliament?

So do you want to have sex with me?

I am not *actually* gay, sorry. Although I know you are not either and what happened here is you drinking so hard you forgot what my gender was again, which is fine. You are only a few more benders away from not being able to recall anything at all, which will be a brighter future for all of us who no longer have to read your posts ok

 

[Lithium Flower]

normie
You are right dude, I must be using my Talmudic (TM) Tactics (R) again. Your move, gentile.

 

[Lithium Flower]

normie
You are right dude, I must be using my Talmudic (TM) Tactics (R) again. Your move, gentile.

yeah, my point exactly

Occidental Haplogroup B4 is done giving orders around here.

 

[BlackGoat]

Fuck you Kasparov, I don't buy censored games. Sick to the back teeth of moralising smooth brains deciding what's inoffensive enough for me to consume.

Even Hemingway had censored words, man, don't be hysterical. If something says 'S---' or 'F-----' then fill in the blanks

Spoiler

 

[Alienman]

Geez, that passive aggression when fantadomat only wants a friend

 

[Jenkem]

I just read on the tolerant forum that they do in fact have a swearing filter in the game and the streamers were using it. Dunno if true

Here's the settings screen in its entirety, as per the streams:

I wonder if someone saw the asterisks part, took it to mean that all f-words can be similarly censored and is now gleefully spreading the news.

Which means all the people who don't want any fucks in their games are gonna be in for a surprise once they load this up.

No swearing filter, so the asterisks are part of the writing. fantadomat

 

[asterix]

I think that if you are exploring a controversial position in earnest you shouldn't pull punches - imagine a serious drama about the horrors of American slavery with all the racist plantation owners literally calling Africans "n-words." It would come off as surreal and crass to me.

I actually agree with this. I think for me the difference here is that it's not the characters censoring themselves. They're not saying "f-word", they're still saying the actual word, it just gets scrambled in transmission, which in a weird way also makes it stand out more too. And yeah, it is interesting to contrast it with versions of Russian equivalent being left in untouched, though I had an impression it's the shorter version of it that was more widespread as a direct targeted insult rather than "-rast" forms, which I've only heard/seen used in Codex diatribes or from some middle-aged faux-intellectual Eastern Europeans pontificating about politics.

You are only a few more benders away from not being able to recall anything at all

He's just going full method to prepare for the game. Gotta respect dedication.

I like my RPGs with tasteful rape and non-stop faggotry in them.

This is neither Rance nor Deadfire, respectively.

 

[BlackGoat]

This is childish. Every work of art makes 'concessions' at the expense of 'reality'. Paths of Glory isn't less good because it "censors" the spilled guts or exploded heads of the dead. Last House On The Left isn't a Greater work of art than The Virgin Spring because it is more vulgar

 

[Alienman]

Censoring f*g is high class art all right.

 

[agris]

Kasparov or the reviewerati, does Dancing Ellipticals support 16:10 resolutions without letter boxing them?

 

[Lithium Flower]

Every work of art makes 'concessions' at the expense of 'reality'.

Absolutely, though I think there can be reasonable disagreement over the preferred degree of concessions. Clearly not on this forum, though.

Now please excuse me as I climax all over my fedora ok

 

[bataille]

Fuck you Kasparov, I don't buy censored games. Sick to the back teeth of moralising smooth brains deciding what's inoffensive enough for me to consume.

Even Hemingway had censored words, man, don't be hysterical. If something says 'S----' or 'F-----' then fill in the blanks

Spoiler

It's not the case in the scenes featuring cuno and cunoesse, though. The little gremlins are depicted as some sort of primordial forces of chaos, completely unrestrained, unhinged, and reveling in their transgressions. They are situated on the very verge of the society where all conventions break down (Cuno is a twelve year old drug addict with abusive parents that lives on the street and thinks that rolling with local gangbangers is the highest honor; when you first meet him, he's high out of his mind, throwing rocks at his "fuck-gimp," a hanged mercenary that has been in the noose for the last week). Sudden static in the VO and asterisks in the text feel completely at odds with the realistic, brutal, and honest depiction of the lost youth. The sheer number of times the bleeped out word is featured is ludicrous, so it makes me think that this thing was a last minute initiative by their PR agency/producers/managers, an attempt to avoid some bad press by the western polite bourgeois outlets before the approaching release.

Personally, I'm not too bothered by it (even though it damages the scenes with cuno almost to the point of crippling them, simply due to how distracting and immersion-breaking that static is), but I can see how people can be upset by this. Although what puzzles me is how strangely inconsistent it is: there's plenty of poignant, effective, and realistic content that can be considered offensive by The Politely Repressed Audience, yet I've seen only one word so mercilessly butchered. Maybe it's some Advanced Selective Cultural Responsibility Theory I'm not aware of, who knows.

 

[fantadomat]

Lithium Flower why do you turn this shit in to left/right political shit?

You are right, this discussion was entirely apolitical before I contributed to it.

Seeing as have you previously used Planescape as an example of a D&D setting written "before hipsters decided to put them fucken politics into shit" (okay, I am paraphrasing slightly as no sentence I can possibly write can translate even an iota of your inanity), let me ask you - and I am genuinely curious - what do you think "politics" means? Do you think it solely describes a bunch of people talking about policy in parliament?

So do you want to have sex with me?

I am not *actually* gay, sorry. Although I know you are not either and what happened here is you drinking so hard you forgot what my gender was again, which is fine. You are only a few more benders away from not being able to recall anything at all, which will be a brighter future for all of us who no longer have to read your posts ok

Ahhh political is when you bring out the political leanings on X goy that is talking about Y. In this case that is. Also why are you playing this shitty games with me cunt? You know what i meant and why i called you out. I as putting out an argument about the censorship and didn't put anything of my fucking political views in it. Then you came in and begun bitching about muh right wingers etc etc. I was coming out as a RPG fanboy that is pissed over the immersion breaking *** garbage. If they didn't wanted to write about faggots and shit,that is cool. But just putting *** in it is retarded no matter the political allegiance. When we are talking about politics fine,but when we are talk about something apolitical in games,it is not cool to bring it in mate. I never said anything about their politics,i was just unhappy with their censorship. In the end it is a political view,in a way,but it is not talking about a politics. I am tired of everything becoming politics,don't know about you.


On the second quote....lol you are a fabulous optimist. Assuming that i will stop posting i lost my memories....lol nice one.

On the sex thing,nah i kind off think that you are a cunt. No nude foot pic,no proof of you being a guy! Also the line was a joke from the first 15 minutes of the game lol. You didn't recognized it,which is strange since i remembered the first line.

Sooo do you want to have fuck with me?