Incline Disco Elysium - The Final Cut - a hardboiled cop show isometric RPG

[AwesomeButton]

You: posting tirades on unimporant bullshit, like politics.
Me, an intellectual: just got a bug where Harry's shirt disappears and refuses to come back on, so I have him prancing around Martinaise, his chest hair showing proud.

I had this one too. Loading the game fixes it.

 

[fantadomat]

For whatever reason, Marxists seem particularly unable to relate to other human beings as actual human being

The fascination with isms goes hand in hand with a belief in one's own intellectual and moral superiority over the majority. This line of thinking goes back to the French revolution, traces of it can be seen in antiquity I guess.

While nobody remembers the fence sitters . Ideological fights are the way humanity evolves,it is only natural. One group believes that only X will help them survive as a tribe,while other group believes that only Y will help them survive. Then they fight till only one group is left.

 

[Prime Junta]

Just a bunch of evil apes, duking it out on a giant ball.

I think it'll only end when the last but one evil ape dies.

 

[AwesomeButton]

For whatever reason, Marxists seem particularly unable to relate to other human beings as actual human being

The fascination with isms goes hand in hand with a belief in one's own intellectual and moral superiority over the majority. This line of thinking goes back to the French revolution, traces of it can be seen in antiquity I guess.

While nobody remembers the fence sitters . Ideological fights are the way humanity evolves,it is only natural. One group believes that only X will help them survive as a tribe,while other group believes that only Y will help them survive. Then they fight till only one group is left.

In the long run, nobody remembers anyone. But this isn't something we should be thinking about in our everyday lives. We need some kind of religion to keep us going.

 

[Prime Junta]

We need some kind of religion to keep us going.

A political ideology works too.

 

[fantadomat]

For whatever reason, Marxists seem particularly unable to relate to other human beings as actual human being

The fascination with isms goes hand in hand with a belief in one's own intellectual and moral superiority over the majority. This line of thinking goes back to the French revolution, traces of it can be seen in antiquity I guess.

While nobody remembers the fence sitters . Ideological fights are the way humanity evolves,it is only natural. One group believes that only X will help them survive as a tribe,while other group believes that only Y will help them survive. Then they fight till only one group is left.

In the long run, nobody remembers anyone. But this isn't something we should be thinking about in our everyday lives. We need some kind of religion to keep us going.

People still remember Gilgamesh,King of Kings! This is just excuse that cowards give lol. Nobody is remembered my ass,there are a lot of great people trough out history. Centrists are the worst,even fucking commies are ten time better than centrist trying to drown everyone in their mediaocracy.

 

[Riddler]

So... Any indication of how the game is selling?

Is it a success? A flop? Middle of the road?

 

[AwesomeButton]

We need some kind of religion to keep us going.

A political ideology works too.

It's the same. A 20th century secular religion.

 

[fantadomat]

We need some kind of religion to keep us going.

A political ideology works too.

It's the same. A 20th century secular religion.

Humans need both! Ideology pushes them forward,religion keeps them grounded and humans.....not animals.

 

[AwesomeButton]

For whatever reason, Marxists seem particularly unable to relate to other human beings as actual human being

The fascination with isms goes hand in hand with a belief in one's own intellectual and moral superiority over the majority. This line of thinking goes back to the French revolution, traces of it can be seen in antiquity I guess.

While nobody remembers the fence sitters . Ideological fights are the way humanity evolves,it is only natural. One group believes that only X will help them survive as a tribe,while other group believes that only Y will help them survive. Then they fight till only one group is left.

In the long run, nobody remembers anyone. But this isn't something we should be thinking about in our everyday lives. We need some kind of religion to keep us going.

People still remember Gilgamesh,King of Kings! This is just excuse that cowards give lol. Nobody is remembered my ass,there are a lot of great people trough out history. Centrists are the worst,even fucking commies are ten time better than centrist trying to drown everyone in their mediaocracy.

There are great people in history, but they are exceptions, that's why they are remembered. And they have all paid the price of being remembered after death, during their lifetimes.

For most of us, you and me included, from the moment you have to take care of a child, your biological programming will take over and looking after your own will out-prioritize any intellectual luxuries and indulgements such as ideologies. I guarantee you this.

 

[Jimmious]

So... Any indication of how the game is selling?

Is it a success? A flop? Middle of the road?

It's still in the Global Top Sellers top10 in Steam, even though there are various sales going on... Must be doing pretty well

 

[Prime Junta]

So... Any indication of how the game is selling?

Is it a success? A flop? Middle of the road?

Going by the indirect evidence I think it's safe to say it's not a flop flop. I have no idea what the actual numbers are, nor what ZA/UM expected.

I have a hunch their expectation/hope has been that this is one of those "long tail" games, that it'll sell by word of mouth.

Whether it's enough... we can only hope.

I do think that the game has been successful enough that ZA/UM has proven their ability to make a game. That means that getting funding for another one shouldn't be impossible -- although what strings would be attached is a different matter.

 

[fantadomat]

For whatever reason, Marxists seem particularly unable to relate to other human beings as actual human being

The fascination with isms goes hand in hand with a belief in one's own intellectual and moral superiority over the majority. This line of thinking goes back to the French revolution, traces of it can be seen in antiquity I guess.

While nobody remembers the fence sitters . Ideological fights are the way humanity evolves,it is only natural. One group believes that only X will help them survive as a tribe,while other group believes that only Y will help them survive. Then they fight till only one group is left.

In the long run, nobody remembers anyone. But this isn't something we should be thinking about in our everyday lives. We need some kind of religion to keep us going.

People still remember Gilgamesh,King of Kings! This is just excuse that cowards give lol. Nobody is remembered my ass,there are a lot of great people trough out history. Centrists are the worst,even fucking commies are ten time better than centrist trying to drown everyone in their mediaocracy.

There are great people in history, but they are exceptions, that's why they are remembered. And they have all paid the price of being remembered after death, during their lifetimes.

For most of us, you and me included, from the moment you have to take care of a child, your biological programming will take over and looking after your own will out-prioritize any intellectual luxuries and indulgements such as ideologies. I guarantee you this.

LoL do you see me as a Disco caricature of a man? I don't go around the streets and screech my own ideological slogans lol. Ideology is part of life,and life is what shapes us a human beings lol. I won't abandon my believes just because is have a kid,most likely will try to make him a honourable human being....and a good thief .

 

[AwesomeButton]

So... Any indication of how the game is selling?

Is it a success? A flop? Middle of the road?

Going by the indirect evidence I think it's safe to say it's not a flop flop. I have no idea what the actual numbers are, nor what ZA/UM expected.

I have a hunch their expectation/hope has been that this is one of those "long tail" games, that it'll sell by word of mouth.

Whether it's enough... we can only hope.

I do think that the game has been successful enough that ZA/UM has proven their ability to make a game. That means that getting funding for another one shouldn't be impossible -- although what strings would be attached is a different matter.

I'm currently considering buying it another time. It's just a game that deserves it. Let's see if I still think so after I finish it.

 

[AwesomeButton]

LoL do you see me as a Disco caricature of a man? I do go around the streets and screech my own ideological slogans lol. Ideology is part of life,and life is what shapes us a human beings lol. I won't abandon my believes just because is have a kid,most likely will try to make him a honourable human being....and a good thief .

You can't explain hunger to a sated man. Good luck.

 

[Prime Junta]

Hey, this was one of the better discussions I've had here. I clearly ought to leak people's secrets more often.

 

[AwesomeButton]

It's this game provoking discussions of important questions.

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

So... Any indication of how the game is selling?

Is it a success? A flop? Middle of the road?

It’s been on sale for less than eight days and Steamspy says they’ve sold 50,000 to 100,000 copies. Given the $40 price tag, that’s $1.4 to $2.8 million after Steam’s cut (although obviously less than that given regional pricing). Doing pretty well on GOG, too. No idea how much it cost to develop, but it seems to be selling about as well as you could reasonably hope. Whether their hopes were reasonable is another question.

 

[Jenkem]

"Would you like paper or plastic?"

[DRAMA - Easy Success]
He is obviously telling the truth given the mundane tone in which he asks, almost like he's done this before.

1. You decide, comrade!
2. Do I get a discount if I don't take a bag?
3. Fuck Immigrants! Plastic.
4. Both. I am greedy and entitled.

"The weather today is nice, don't you think?"
PERCEPTION - The weather is nice today.

1. Yes, beautiful weather comrade, such a lovely day for worker solidarity!
2. The real question is how I can turn this weather to my advantage...
3. The weather is controlled by immigrants! Immigrants, I say!
4. Fuck off.


here's your "thought provoking dialogue"

 

[frajaq]

I'm only hoping it sells enough for a sequel but not holding my breath for it

 

[Van-d-all]

here's your "thought provoking dialogue"

"One hug a day keeps the bourgeois away."

*She hugs you back*

 

[InD_ImaginE]

So... Any indication of how the game is selling?

Is it a success? A flop? Middle of the road?

It’s been on sale for less than eight days and Steamspy says they’ve sold 50,000 to 100,000 copies. Given the $40 price tag, that’s $1.4 to $2.8 million after Steam’s cut (although obviously less than that given regional pricing). Doing pretty well on GOG, too. No idea how much it cost to develop, but it seems to be selling about as well as you could reasonably hope. Whether their hopes were reasonable is another question.

You can't really put the revenue like that because the game has some very aggressive regional pricing.

The game cost 15 USD in my country and somepart of Asia had the game at 20 - 25 USD.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

All you've done is you exposed yourself to the whole forum as an untrustworthy individual

LoL nothing new was exposed mate,he is a fucking communist,of course he will snake its way and backstab you . It is all on you mate,expecting something else from a comie lol!

It's not like it was some evil plan, he just went apeshit at something I wrote and posted the DMs without considering that they're actually not interesting. A proper communist would gain my trust and keep collecting dirt until he had enough to bury me.

It perfectly explains why there are no communist countries anymore - modern commies are incompetent and not nearly as good at political games as Stalin's Old Guard used to be.

 

[Egosphere]

So... Any indication of how the game is selling?

Is it a success? A flop? Middle of the road?

It’s been on sale for less than eight days and Steamspy says they’ve sold 50,000 to 100,000 copies. Given the $40 price tag, that’s $1.4 to $2.8 million after Steam’s cut (although obviously less than that given regional pricing). Doing pretty well on GOG, too. No idea how much it cost to develop, but it seems to be selling about as well as you could reasonably hope. Whether their hopes were reasonable is another question.

I think Bester said it was selling for $12 or so in Russia, which (I think, going off the stuff that Vince disclosed regarding AoD sales) usually is in the top 3-4 countries for number of copies sold. So I'd be hesitant to attach any figures, for now.

 

[Luckmann]

Fugg, why does this always happen while I'm on drugs?

I have things to do, dammit.

Do you really not understand the difference between a hyperbole/exaggeration regarding of subject matter and caricature/ignorance regarding subject matter? Because I have the feeling that it's not getting through to you here. Because the point is very much that it's not "on point with the reality of it".

No, I really do not understand the difference.

You could've just said so from the beginning.

Luckmann during the night of the long knives: these SS morons just don’t have a nuanced understanding of fascism. [he gently caresses the Strasser brothers as they bleed out] true third positionism has... never... been... tried.

See, something like this would actually have been a funny jab in the game, whereas in reality, it just comes across as lolrandom retardation.

But it could've been funny.

Not really,you just see it from your ideological point of view mate . You think that the communist responds are what real communist think and that the nationalist one are taken out of proportion .

Not at all. It's not about "taken out of proportion". It's the fact that we on one side do have exaggeration (and sometimes not even exaggeration) of what real communists do think and say, while on the other side we have caricatures of what "Fascists" could say as according to a very hodge-podge, muddy, unclear definition of "Fascism".

In game terms, Fascism can be just "muh foreigners" (this is probably the most common), or it could be nationalism, or revancholian independance, or it could just be plain racism, or it could be a belief in authoritarianism, or hierarchies, or simply royalism or militarism. It's not a matter of exaggeration or proportions, it's a matter of random nonsense. All the others, the writers clearly have some grasp of, by varying degrees, but it's very clear that when they wrote "fascism", they weren't even sure of how to consistently portray it or what attributes it would have aside from the usual hodge-podge of "things I probably disagree with and attribute loosely to muh Fascism".

While this is extremely common and in most games would've simply warranted "Eh, it's just retarded" and then dismissal, this is a fairly major oversight in a game that explicitly and overtly want to play around with politics and make fun of ideologies. There's countless of ways to do this in fun ways that would relate to Fascism or third-positionist ideology, as mentioned previously. For example, even the barest mention of foreigners in regards to labor organization, something Unions have been historically known to concern themselves with, is "Fascist", and a mention of the responsibility of leaders towards their people - one of the pillars of Fascism - contributes to Communism. It's hilariously awkward and seemingly random unless you're also politically ignorant yourself, in which case they might just as well have given you some ballot papers and rolled you down to play in the ball pit at McDonalds.

Also, notice how you said "the nationalist one", which is not what the game actually calls it. The fact that you default to that in regards to the game as it relates to the topic should indicate even to you that there's a conflation of terms (and the understanding of those terms lacking) at play.

Centrists are the worst,even fucking commies are ten time better than centrist trying to drown everyone in their mediaocracy.

Not radical centrism.

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For whatever reason, Marxists seem particularly unable to relate to other human beings as actual human being

The fascination with isms goes hand in hand with a belief in one's own intellectual and moral superiority over the majority. This line of thinking goes back to the French revolution, traces of it can be seen in antiquity I guess.

I agree, completely, and there are plenty of these tendencies even among Fascists - it's arguably a regrettably cemented tenet of third-positionist proponents in general - but there's this entrenched inability or deeply internalized unwillingness to even relate to other people and where they're coming from, when it comes to Marxists. Note that I'm not even talking about leftists in general, but specifically Marxists, in my experience.

That's just it, it's not a Codex thing, it's a personal observation

This pretty much proves to me, that it's probably not them, but actually you. Your personal perception of said individuals is simply biased towards bunching them all together all the while claiming to understand their motivations...

Spoiler

Sure, believe that all you want - they certainly do, regardless of overtures of friendship and extensive personal relationships.

And obviously I'm "simply biased towards bunching them all together" when practically all of them have acted that way. That's the definition of consistency, and not all of us have had basic fucking pattern recognition beaten out of us. I bet you're simply biased towards bunching all tics together, but it's not them, it's definitely you, you fucking mongo.

I've seen this with no other political group or ideological subset, except perhaps once, and that guy was a socdem; while indicative of corruption, the one instance is not really enough to establish a pattern.

None of the people who have pulled these stunts on me were lefties, AFAIK anyway.

Of course not, you're one of the faithful.

Exactly. You see it from lefties because you're what they hate. I see it from rightoids for the same reason. People with opposed ideologies/religions/values punch each other with whatever they've got, news at 11.

But that's simply not true. I've never experienced the same consistent behavior from libertarians or ancaps. I haven't experienced it from liberals or libsocs, nor even from socdems, long known for their scummy political behavior. Hell, even SJWs tend to just start screeching right away and it's over with. Centrists gonna centrist and default to a nod.

This Marxist assumption that you express, that "People with opposed ideologies/religios/value punch each other with whatever they've got", this politicization of personal responsibilities and relationships that comes along with the gospel of "Everything is politics" is exactly what I'm talking about, and is likely why it is so easy for you to pitch as some kind of acceptable status quo that should be expected, and could be exactly why Marxists in general find deceit of this nature so easy.

And while I have no difficulties understanding that chain of causality/line of thinking in itself, it is just so alien to me how you get to that point. How do you dig that deep into the trashcan of ideology? How do you supplant personal relationships with politics? It seems to me like something much less than human. Not even animals are that way.

Now I've made myself depressed again.