DOOM Eternal - the sequel to the 2016 reboot - now with The Ancient Gods DLC

[Arthandas]

Fast V Sync is garbage and does nothing to prevent tearing

I think he meant adaptive sync like G-Sync which not only completely eliminates tearing but also has no input lag unlike traditional vsync. I upgraded from a traditional 60hz monitor to g-sync compatible 165hz MAG274QRF-QD and you couldn't force me to go back. With the recent revival of the "boomer shooter" genre and so many amazing shooters, imo it's the best time to upgrade to at least 120hz. You don't even need a beefy GPU since all of them aim for that retro 2.5D/low poly aesthetics.

 

[Multidirectional]

Oh gee my mind is blown. I will rush to spend money on a new monitor now, to play a bunch of shitty looking indie pixel art games. Most of them had zero appeal to me until now but clearly a high refresh monitor is going to make me fall in love with them.

 

[Arthandas]

Oh gee my mind is blown. I will rush to spend money a new monitor now, to play a bunch of shitty looking indie pixel art games. Most of them had zero appeal to me until now but clearly a high refresh monitor is going to make me fall in love with them.

ok boomer, have fun stagnating

 

[Average Manatee]

Unless your gaming is limited to Chess or something a better monitor is going to improve smoothness and how things look for every game. I can play Doom (1993) on GZDoom and it feels and looks noticeably better at 144 than 60 FPS/Hz. And a monitor that can do that is CHEAP nowadays. Even if you can only afford a ~$250 GPU, you can afford a similarly priced monitor that will last 3x as long. Plus multi-monitor setups are great anyway so it lasts even longer as a secondary monitor to shitpost on the codex with.

I get why people upgrade monitors less frequently. Its harder to justify the improvements (can't show a better looking image through your old monitor), there's no obvious benchmarks saying its 150% faster than your previous one like CPUs/GPUs, and they never really become unusable and force you to upgrade. But 60 hz at this point isn't just third world tier, it's poor third world tier.

 

[JarlFrank]

Oh gee my mind is blown. I will rush to spend money a new monitor now, to play a bunch of shitty looking indie pixel art games. Most of them had zero appeal to me until now but clearly a high refresh monitor is going to make me fall in love with them.

ok boomer, have fun stagnating

I play a lot of boomer shooters and they're completely fluid on my old 2009 monitor that still works perfectly fine. I don't see a need to get a new one until this one dies.

 

[NecroLord]

Does an FPS exist that has genuinely good boss fights though?

Doom 1. I don't see why so many FPS games feel like they need to change the gameplay loop for boss fights instead of just giving you an enemy that is harder to beat while also letting you use the same tools and gameplay you used for 99.9999% of the game.

Doom 1 has absolute garbage bosses.
Ep1 - Two barons of hell which are basically normal enemies, they're harmless even with -fastmonsters
Ep2 - Cyberdemon, harmless damage sponge, literally can't hit you unless you're standing still
Ep3 - Spiderdemon, hitscan galore, you're forced to hide behind the central pillar and kite him in circles like a little child

Many classic shooters handled difficulty through enemy placements, the number of enemies and the level design and availability of ammo. On high difficulties you pretty much have to discover secret areas in order to battle effectively.
Bosses themselves were not usually a big deal. The levels themselves were. Difficult shooters like Blood and Shadow Warrior are notorious for their enemy types and their placement on the map at high difficulty levels.

Also Doom reboot and Eternal are both overrated as fuck. Original Doom 1 and 2 are still the GOATS.
Also Doom 3 is underrated.
That is all.

 

[Arthandas]

I play a lot of boomer shooters and they're completely fluid on my old 2009 monitor that still works perfectly fine. I don't see a need to get a new one until this one dies.

Yeah, everyone thinks so before actually playing a 120+ fps game (especially a fast shooter).

 

[Melcar]

Fast V Sync is garbage and does nothing to prevent tearing

I think he meant adaptive sync like G-Sync which not only completely eliminates tearing but also has no input lag unlike traditional vsync. I upgraded from a traditional 60hz monitor to g-sync compatible 165hz MAG274QRF-QD and you couldn't force me to go back. With the recent revival of the "boomer shooter" genre and so many amazing shooters, imo it's the best time to upgrade to at least 120hz. You don't even need a beefy GPU since all of them aim for that retro 2.5D/low poly aesthetics.

No, nvidia has an option called fast sync (last time I checked). Granted, I don't know if it works as good as AMD's enhanced sync or Mesa's mailbox. They are vsync options but with uncapped fps. Mailbox at least, almost eliminates screen tearing on my old 60Hz monitor, letting me enjoy reduced latency of 100+ frames.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I'm one of those people who was floored when i bought my first high frequency monitor.

zDoom was the first game i tried and i couldn't believe my eyes. I then tried Starcraft 2 and i knew then there was no way i could go back to 60 FPS. Hell, even just moving windows while on the desktop felt amazing.

That said, it's worth pointing out that the threshold is 100+ FPS. That seems to be the point where it makes the most difference after that i barely even notice if a game is 100 FPS or 165 which is the max frequency of my curent monitor.

 

[Israfael]

AMD's enhanced sync

It doesn't work all of the time, currently it's broken with many old games like NWN2, Witcher 1 etc. But yes, it completely eliminates tearing (which I don't care about at all, so in this aspect I'm extremely lucky). In any case, I can't imagine anyone playing any online shooter with locked 60 fps like Multidirectional suggested, even an 80yo granny should note the difference in granularity of controll between hypothetical 60 and 300 fps

Hell, even just moving windows while on the desktop feelt amazing.

The next stage is the various BFI varieties (ELMB/ULMB etc), most closest experience to a CRT monitor that you can get with modern decline-era technologies

 

[DJOGamer PT]

Why would you even need more than 100 fps, can the human eye see that many?

Yes absolutely
The difference between 60fps and 120fps isn't as drastic as 30fps is to 60fps, but it's noticeable - 144hz monitors really are worth it
In fact you can still spot an improvement in "smoothness" from 120fps to 240fps

Now more than that...
Well competitive fps players claim that they need 500hz monitors because they can make out the difference and so need something that high
But if it's true or not...

 

[DJOGamer PT]

I can't imagine still playing PC games and not having a minimum 120/144hz monitor nowadays.

Yeah but like you said monitors last much longer than other components
And when I bought my budget 1080p/75Hz monitor for 120€, even the cheapest 1080p/144Hz monitors costed at least 200€

 

[Jaedar]

Is the ancient gods DLC any good? Thinking about picking it up on this sale, but it has very middling reviews.

 

[Multidirectional]

Is the ancient gods DLC any good? Thinking about picking it up on this sale, but it has very middling reviews.

I had some fun with DLCs but they are worse than base game and the new enemies they add are mostly just annoying. Being absolutely forced to use specific weapon or attack only at certain time to be able to kill the enemy is garbage design. Marrauders in base game were dumb enough but were tolerable because they were the exception from everything else and weren't overused. DLCs go futher into that direction. And the last boss fight of DLC is the culmination of that idiocy.
If you haven't done base game on Nightmare yet, I'd recommend replaying that instead. It's more fun.

 

[Blutwurstritter]

Is the ancient gods DLC any good? Thinking about picking it up on this sale, but it has very middling reviews.

I was skeptical if the game remains challenging once you are fully equipped, but they managed to do that. I'd say go for the dlcs, if you want more action that escalates further. But if you feel tired by the base game you can skip the dlc, there are no substantial changes. Overall I liked the dlcs, since I wanted more of the same at higher difficulty, and that is provided, especially in the first part.

 

[Jaedar]

Is the ancient gods DLC any good? Thinking about picking it up on this sale, but it has very middling reviews.

I was skeptical if the game remains challenging once you are fully equipped, but they managed to do that. I'd say go for the dlcs, if you want more action that escalates further. But if you feel tired by the base game you can skip the dlc, there are no substantial changes. Overall I liked the dlcs, since I wanted more of the same at higher difficulty, and that is provided, especially in the first part.

More enemies like the marauder does not inspire confidence.

 

[Blutwurstritter]

Is the ancient gods DLC any good? Thinking about picking it up on this sale, but it has very middling reviews.

I was skeptical if the game remains challenging once you are fully equipped, but they managed to do that. I'd say go for the dlcs, if you want more action that escalates further. But if you feel tired by the base game you can skip the dlc, there are no substantial changes. Overall I liked the dlcs, since I wanted more of the same at higher difficulty, and that is provided, especially in the first part.

More enemies like the marauder does not inspire confidence.

There are Blood Maykrs that can only be attacked while they charge their attack. They look similar to Drones and are best killed by headshots. Then there are Riot soldiers that are similar to Shield soldiers but with an indestructible shield. You have to navigate behind them or use a explosive in their back. Then there are Ghosts which possess other enemies and give them a massive boost, similar to a totem boost. These have to be killed with the plasma gun microwave beam after killing the possessed unit. Then there are Armored Barons, which have to be stripped of their armor, before they can be damaged, but there is no specific timing to it. I think the armor is weak to plasma and that's it. I didn't mind the new enemies, but its true that they require certain approaches or you won't make much leeway on higher difficulties.

 

[Multidirectional]

Looks like they were butthurt about nobody using the shitty plasma microwave mod and just gave us an enemy that forces us to use it. Same with stone imps and full auto mod for shotgun.

 

[KVVRR]

Is the ancient gods DLC any good? Thinking about picking it up on this sale, but it has very middling reviews.

Personally I found the base game just a bit too easy, with only the later half of the base game giving a challenge so I loved the DLCs. Felt like a proper ramp up in difficulty even if gimmicky at parts.
Garbage final boss though.

 

[Baron Dupek]

mods comin

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Couldn't find the thread for DOOM 2016 so I have to post in this giant piece of shit. I reinstalled 2016 to see if the multiplayer was still active and am sad to report it's not. That pvp mode was so underrated. Better than any of the modern Halo shit yet it got knocked for being a lousy knock off. People are fukkin DUM.

 

[cretin]

Picked this up on steam sale and I'm really liking it. I've never been a doom stan so I don't give a fuck if its not "pure" or whatever (WHAAAOOOAWWW IM CIRCLE STROOFING AND PRESSING M1). Its fun. Its challenging. It looks good, and more importantly - extraordinary for a modern AAA release - it runs fantastically well. This thing is stupendously optimized, which just goes to show its simply a matter of incompetence and/or laziness on the parts of other developers that they don't optimize their games. Its so fucking good to have a high graphical fidelity AND a maxed out frame rate.

Only complaint I have so far is the sound mixing is hideous. Good soundtrack but everything else has this weird wrong channel effect and you think theres something wrong with your headphones but nope thats just how the sound is.

 

[Yosharian]

Picked this up on steam sale and I'm really liking it. I've never been a doom stan so I don't give a fuck if its not "pure" or whatever (WHAAAOOOAWWW IM CIRCLE STROOFING AND PRESSING M1). Its fun. Its challenging. It looks good, and more importantly - extraordinary for a modern AAA release - it runs fantastically well. This thing is stupendously optimized, which just goes to show its simply a matter of incompetence and/or laziness on the parts of other developers that they don't optimize their games. Its so fucking good to have a high graphical fidelity AND a maxed out frame rate.

Only complaint I have so far is the sound mixing is hideous. Good soundtrack but everything else has this weird wrong channel effect and you think theres something wrong with your headphones but nope thats just how the sound is.

My feelings on this game as I played, as someone who IS a DOOM stan, I guess

2h

Wtf they changed it so much, I really don't like the changes

6h

Ok actually you know what some of these changes aren't so bad

10h

Ok this game is pretty fucking amazing

15h

FUCK THIS FUCKING CUNT BOSS I HATE THIS GAME

 

[Yosharian]

Oh and yeah the music is nowhere near as good as the original

 

[deama]

Oh and yeah the music is nowhere near as good as the original