Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard - coming October 31st

[Modron]

"if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you"

Is the abyss code for discord?

 

[Semiurge]

Supposedly its rank in Steam pre-orders is within top 10 now...

Probably. There aren't many high-profile games coming to Steam in the next few months that people would go out of their way to pre-order.

Veilguard jumped up ~20 spots since the glowing previews dropped yesterday. It was previously sitting around 85 iirc. Doesn't seem very impressive, but I don't follow this stuff closely.

For comparison, the Dragon Ball game that drops in 3 weeks is doing much better. There's clearly genuine interest in that one.

Everything about Veilguard looks uncool. The color-coding, the unappealing characters and environments, the general lameness of focusing on romances and friendship, the Disney-tier dialogue. I can't imagine this thing will appeal to a significant amount of gamers if even mentioning its name at normie gaming forums risks losing your gamer-cred or hetero card. Veilguard is not something the average teenager would want to be associated with, unless they inhabit the same bubble as its developers. I'm out of touch with the zoomer generation but there are some things that never change, and one of them is the fear of appearing like a complete fag in your peers' eyes.

 

[AlwaysBrotoMen]

Everybody hates the game but they are discussing it on codex. kinda ironic.

 

[Alienman]

Everybody hates the game but they are discussing it on codex. kinda ironic.

Oh boy, this again.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Everybody hates the game but they are discussing it on codex. kinda ironic.

 

[Butter]

Sort of a chicken-and-egg phenomena about which came first.

No, it's quite clear that the programming came first. (((American TV))) has a long history of pushing social issues that the American public absolutely doesn't support, only for that support to materialize 10 to 15 years later. An easy example is Will & Grace normalizing homosexuality in the late 90s, and less than a decade later anal marriage was legal nationwide.

 

[Vyvian]

I’ve noticed that not a single person on BioWare’s team have brought up Origins and in any way.

In fact there’s a clip floating around where they’re being asked questions and when a picture of Zevran pops up none of them know who the fuck he even is.

They hate Origins and Origins fans. This has been clear since 2 and really showed up in Inquisition.
They've done pretty much everything they can to shit on the Grey Wardens for example and the Hero of Ferelden.

 

[babayaga]

Okay, so I heard the new leaks about how much Concord cost to make.
Firewalk Studios has about 150 employees.
It took them 8 years to develop the game.
6 years for 200 million
2 last years for another 200 million
Total 400 million

Bioware has 320 employees (more than double) and they took like 9 years to develop the game.
My end estimate is around 600 million.

Let's say everyone buys the deluxe edition for 80$
So just to break even they need to sell at least 7,5 million copies and I'm not counting the taxes and the 30% Steam cut.
With that they have to make millions more on top.
Now I could be off by like tens of millions or even hundreds but this is a pretty bleak picture for any gaming studio to be in.

This will not be the grand success they want.

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

Oof indeed.

Literal ResetEra speak in a AAA RPG from Electronic Arts. This game is going to be legendary. I can't wait.

 

[Inec0rn]

387 pages, clearly a lot of people very excited for this release despite the shitposting.

 

[Late Bloomer]

387 pages, clearly a lot of people very excited for this release despite the shitposting.

Dude... you don't get it.

 

[Kev Inkline]

Recycling jokes, the question is, is it an alt.

 

[Hedasd]

Okay, so I heard the new leaks about how much Concord cost to make.
Firewalk Studios has about 150 employees.
It took them 8 years to develop the game.
6 years for 200 million
2 last years for another 200 million
Total 400 million

Bioware has 320 employees (more than double) and they took like 9 years to develop the game.
My end estimate is around 600 million.

Let's say everyone buys the deluxe edition for 80$
So just to break even they need to sell at least 7,5 million copies and I'm not counting the taxes and the 30% Steam cut.
With that they have to make millions more on top.
Now I could be off by like tens of millions or even hundreds but this is a pretty bleak picture for any gaming studio to be in.

This will not be the grand success they want.

They released Andromeda and Anthem in those 9 years along with multiple The Old Republic expansions(though TOR changed hands I dont know how recent). I have no idea how big of a failure Anthem was but I think they still made profit from TOR stuff and Andromeda. I also think its lower than 600 because there is the fact that when dropping the live-service version in 2021 they didnt start from scratch, it is extremely obvious how much of it is still there(UI, gameplay mechanics, whole artstyle, main player hub that looks like a perfect online hub).

But on the other hand a game like Concord took 8 years and needed 200 million for its last 2 years of development, this industry doesnt makes sense to me anymore.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Sort of a chicken-and-egg phenomena about which came first.

No, it's quite clear that the programming came first. (((American TV))) has a long history of pushing social issues that the American public absolutely doesn't support, only for that support to materialize 10 to 15 years later. An easy example is Will & Grace normalizing homosexuality in the late 90s, and less than a decade later anal marriage was legal nationwide.

By the late ‘90s the American public largely could not give a fucking shit if someone was gay. Like maybe your grandparents did or something, but if you were under the age of 40 you probably didn’t really care. Even people that were against gay marriage back then didn’t really care if someone was gay. If people did care so much back then, then Will and Grace would’ve bombed and been cancelled pretty quickly. Television isn’t like it is today, they were far more ruthless with dropping shows in the late ‘90s when television, and especially network television, was still a big business. I don’t even think people gave all that much of a shit if someone was gay when the Ellen episode aired when she came out, and that was before Will and Grace. That Ellen episode, which was the highest rated episode of the whole series, is probably why Will and Grace even happened; someone at NBC probably saw the numbers that episode got and wanted their own gay sitcom.

 

[babayaga]

Okay, so I heard the new leaks about how much Concord cost to make.
Firewalk Studios has about 150 employees.
It took them 8 years to develop the game.
6 years for 200 million
2 last years for another 200 million
Total 400 million

Bioware has 320 employees (more than double) and they took like 9 years to develop the game.
My end estimate is around 600 million.

Let's say everyone buys the deluxe edition for 80$
So just to break even they need to sell at least 7,5 million copies and I'm not counting the taxes and the 30% Steam cut.
With that they have to make millions more on top.
Now I could be off by like tens of millions or even hundreds but this is a pretty bleak picture for any gaming studio to be in.

This will not be the grand success they want.

They released Andromeda and Anthem in those 9 years along with multiple The Old Republic expansions(though TOR changed hands I dont know how recent). I have no idea how big of a failure Anthem was but I think they still made profit from TOR stuff and Andromeda. I also think its lower than 600 because there is the fact that when dropping the live-service version in 2021 they didnt start from scratch, it is extremely obvious how much of it is still there(UI, gameplay mechanics, whole artstyle, main player hub that looks like a perfect online hub).

But on the other hand a game like Concord took 8 years and needed 200 million for its last 2 years of development, this industry doesnt makes sense to me anymore.

You are right. Let's say half of the company was busy with other stuff. That's still 300 million.
Plus it is known that it was in development hell for a long time.
With that they still need to sell more than 4 million copies of the deluxe edition to break even or 6 million of the 50% one. That's a lot.

Feel free to correct me, this just very VERY rough estimate.

 

[Butter]

Sort of a chicken-and-egg phenomena about which came first.

No, it's quite clear that the programming came first. (((American TV))) has a long history of pushing social issues that the American public absolutely doesn't support, only for that support to materialize 10 to 15 years later. An easy example is Will & Grace normalizing homosexuality in the late 90s, and less than a decade later anal marriage was legal nationwide.

By the late ‘90s the American public largely could not give a fucking shit if someone was gay. Like maybe your grandparents did or something, but if you were under the age of 40 you probably didn’t really care. Even people that were against gay marriage back then didn’t really care if someone was gay. If people did care so much back then, then Will and Grace would’ve bombed and been cancelled pretty quickly. Television isn’t like it is today, they were far more ruthless with dropping shows in the late ‘90s when television, and especially network television, was still a big business. I don’t even think people gave all that much of a shit if someone was gay when the Ellen episode aired when she came out, and that was before Will and Grace. That Ellen episode, which was the highest rated episode of the whole series, is probably why Will and Grace even happened; someone at NBC probably saw the numbers that episode got and wanted their own gay sitcom.

The point was that support for homos getting married to each other was non-existent. Pushing "Look, they're normal" in the media caused the support to skyrocket. The alternative explanation is that everything that's happened to Western culture over the past 75 years was totally organic and TV was just reflecting that, not causing it. Truly a galaxy brain take.

 

[Thalstarion]

A lot of the support is manufactured, certainly, though so too is the actual depiction of what it means to be gay. Most gay men are not actually gay. They're simply autogynephiles.

Gay men are attracted to masculinity and are not attracted to women. If they are attracted to effete men/femboys/crossdressing then that is not homosexuality. It is a specific fetish and mental illness - autogynephillia.

Gay men who are actually gay and do not make a big deal about it one way or the other are a threat to the system. Especially if they are attracted to masculinity.

Why, you ask? Simple. It doesn't advance the agenda.

There's a lot of layers to it but both in the real world and in video games the desire is subversion by those pulling the strings. They're laying the groundwork not to appeal to and promote homosexuality but rather to move the goalposts and try to get people to associate homosexuality with autogynephilia - in no small part because the 'T' and everything beyond LGB is extremely damaging to society at large.

So, yeah - most people don't actually care if someone is gay if they're actually gay. Though most of those who claim to be 'LGBT' are just mind broken by porn, propaganda and sexual abuse. There's even gay men who don't believe that gay marriage should even be a thing but you never or rarely here from such individuals because they are heavily censored and shunned by the ideologues who push the nonsense currently at the forefront with DEI/ESG.

Stuff like Pride has nothing to do with homosexuality. It's all about trying to normalise increasingly weird and dangerous fetishes.

You can apply that logic to lesbians too. You rarely hear from legitimate lesbians in the current era. Not in the least because so many men are cutting off their bangers and mash then declaring themselves to be lesbians when they're clearly not.

 

[Late Bloomer]

A lot of the support is manufactured, certainly, though so too is the actual depiction of what it means to be gay. Most gay men are not actually gay. They're simply autogynephiles.

Gay men are attracted to masculinity and are not attracted to women. If they are attracted to effete men/femboys/crossdressing then that is not homosexuality. It is a specific fetish and mental illness - autogynephillia.

Gay men who are actually gay and do not make a big deal about it one way or the other are a threat to the system. Especially if they are attracted to masculinity.

Why, you ask? Simple. It doesn't advance the agenda.

There's a lot of layers to it but both in the real world and in video games the desire is subversion by those pulling the strings. They're laying the groundwork not to appeal to and promote homosexuality but rather to move the goalposts and try to get people to associate homosexuality with autogynephilia - in no small part because the 'T' and everything beyond LGB is extremely damaging to society at large.

So, yeah - most people don't actually care if someone is gay if they're actually gay. Though most of those who claim to be 'LGBT' are just mind broken by porn, propaganda and sexual abuse. There's even gay men who don't believe that gay marriage should even be a thing but you never or rarely here from such individuals because they are heavily censored and shunned by the ideologues who push the nonsense currently at the forefront with DEI/ESG.

Stuff like Pride has nothing to do with homosexuality. It's all about trying to normalise increasingly weird and dangerous fetishes.

You can apply that logic to lesbians too. You rarely hear from legitimate lesbians in the current era. Not in the least because so many men are cutting off their bangers and mash then declaring themselves to be lesbians when they're clearly not.

That's a lot of words just to say you are a homo. It's not just the letters after the LGB, but those letters too, that are damaging to society at large.

 

[babayaga]

The point was that support for homos getting married to each other was non-existent. Pushing "Look, they're normal" in the media caused the support to skyrocket. The alternative explanation is that everything that's happened to Western culture over the past 75 years was totally organic and TV was just reflecting that, not causing it. Truly a galaxy brain take.

I wish they were normal but every single fag I know is a degenerate disease super spreader.

 

[Hedasd]

Okay, so I heard the new leaks about how much Concord cost to make.
Firewalk Studios has about 150 employees.
It took them 8 years to develop the game.
6 years for 200 million
2 last years for another 200 million
Total 400 million

Bioware has 320 employees (more than double) and they took like 9 years to develop the game.
My end estimate is around 600 million.

Let's say everyone buys the deluxe edition for 80$
So just to break even they need to sell at least 7,5 million copies and I'm not counting the taxes and the 30% Steam cut.
With that they have to make millions more on top.
Now I could be off by like tens of millions or even hundreds but this is a pretty bleak picture for any gaming studio to be in.

This will not be the grand success they want.

They released Andromeda and Anthem in those 9 years along with multiple The Old Republic expansions(though TOR changed hands I dont know how recent). I have no idea how big of a failure Anthem was but I think they still made profit from TOR stuff and Andromeda. I also think its lower than 600 because there is the fact that when dropping the live-service version in 2021 they didnt start from scratch, it is extremely obvious how much of it is still there(UI, gameplay mechanics, whole artstyle, main player hub that looks like a perfect online hub).

But on the other hand a game like Concord took 8 years and needed 200 million for its last 2 years of development, this industry doesnt makes sense to me anymore.

You are right. Let's say half of the company was busy with other stuff. That's still 300 million.
Plus it is known that it was in development hell for a long time.
With that they still need to sell more than 4 million copies of the deluxe edition to break even or 6 million of the 50% one. That's a lot.

Feel free to correct me, this just very VERY rough estimate.

Your estimate sounds reasonable. But I hope it actually costed closer to original 600 because I dont want this game to even break even.

 

[Thalstarion]

A lot of the support is manufactured, certainly, though so too is the actual depiction of what it means to be gay. Most gay men are not actually gay. They're simply autogynephiles.

Gay men are attracted to masculinity and are not attracted to women. If they are attracted to effete men/femboys/crossdressing then that is not homosexuality. It is a specific fetish and mental illness - autogynephillia.

Gay men who are actually gay and do not make a big deal about it one way or the other are a threat to the system. Especially if they are attracted to masculinity.

Why, you ask? Simple. It doesn't advance the agenda.

There's a lot of layers to it but both in the real world and in video games the desire is subversion by those pulling the strings. They're laying the groundwork not to appeal to and promote homosexuality but rather to move the goalposts and try to get people to associate homosexuality with autogynephilia - in no small part because the 'T' and everything beyond LGB is extremely damaging to society at large.

So, yeah - most people don't actually care if someone is gay if they're actually gay. Though most of those who claim to be 'LGBT' are just mind broken by porn, propaganda and sexual abuse. There's even gay men who don't believe that gay marriage should even be a thing but you never or rarely here from such individuals because they are heavily censored and shunned by the ideologues who push the nonsense currently at the forefront with DEI/ESG.

Stuff like Pride has nothing to do with homosexuality. It's all about trying to normalise increasingly weird and dangerous fetishes.

You can apply that logic to lesbians too. You rarely hear from legitimate lesbians in the current era. Not in the least because so many men are cutting off their bangers and mash then declaring themselves to be lesbians when they're clearly not.

That's a lot of words just to say you are a homo. It's not just the letters after the LGB, but those letters too, that are damaging to society at large.

Close but not quite. I swing both ways but I don't believe it's something to promote. It just 'is', so to speak and I certainly want nothing to do with those who do seek to glorify and promote it.

Especially after seeing some of my favourite video game settings utterly ruined by the obsession with 'diversity' and 'representation'. It starts slow, with one or two concessions here and there that may seem reasonable enough on the surface but ultimately just lay the groundwork for further, greater subversion.

 

[Butter]

The point was that support for homos getting married to each other was non-existent. Pushing "Look, they're normal" in the media caused the support to skyrocket. The alternative explanation is that everything that's happened to Western culture over the past 75 years was totally organic and TV was just reflecting that, not causing it. Truly a galaxy brain take.

I wish they were normal but every single fag I know is a degenerate disease super spreader.

Yeah, the average homosexual man has something like 500 different sexual partners during his lifetime, most of them anonymous. It's pretty far removed from normal.

 

[Thalstarion]

Yep. It's beyond sleazy. Not to mention risky, dangerous and needlessly expensive (since the taxpayer in many countries inevitably ends up footing the bill to deal with the consequences of such recklessness in many cases).

 

[babayaga]

Yep. It's beyond sleazy. Not to mention risky, dangerous and needlessly expensive (since the taxpayer in many countries inevitably ends up footing the bill to deal with the consequences of such recklessness in many cases).

Let them deal with the consequences of their actions on their own.
If they can't stop themselves from fucking around 24/7 and spreading diseases, why should they get preferential treatment that is funded by my taxes?
Why not just put on the gum or have a permanent partner?

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Sort of a chicken-and-egg phenomena about which came first.

No, it's quite clear that the programming came first. (((American TV))) has a long history of pushing social issues that the American public absolutely doesn't support, only for that support to materialize 10 to 15 years later. An easy example is Will & Grace normalizing homosexuality in the late 90s, and less than a decade later anal marriage was legal nationwide.

By the late ‘90s the American public largely could not give a fucking shit if someone was gay. Like maybe your grandparents did or something, but if you were under the age of 40 you probably didn’t really care. Even people that were against gay marriage back then didn’t really care if someone was gay. If people did care so much back then, then Will and Grace would’ve bombed and been cancelled pretty quickly. Television isn’t like it is today, they were far more ruthless with dropping shows in the late ‘90s when television, and especially network television, was still a big business. I don’t even think people gave all that much of a shit if someone was gay when the Ellen episode aired when she came out, and that was before Will and Grace. That Ellen episode, which was the highest rated episode of the whole series, is probably why Will and Grace even happened; someone at NBC probably saw the numbers that episode got and wanted their own gay sitcom.

The point was that support for homos getting married to each other was non-existent. Pushing "Look, they're normal" in the media caused the support to skyrocket. The alternative explanation is that everything that's happened to Western culture over the past 75 years was totally organic and TV was just reflecting that, not causing it. Truly a galaxy brain take.

I get your point, it’s just stupid. Here’s the thing, young people in the ‘90s largely did not give a fucking shit if someone was gay. Those people grew up, and the older people that did give a shit died. I think I knew one person in high school that actually cared if someone was gay, the topic coming up when he saw two hot girls posing together (maybe kissing) in some magazine.

Yes, American television was just a reflection of what people wanted. If people didn’t want it they wouldn’t have watched it, and in America in the ‘90s if people didn’t watch your network television show it ended. Will and Grace likely happened because 45 million people watched the episode of Ellen where she came out. 45 million people watching that episode tells network executives and advertisers that maybe there is money in this gay thing, so they do their own gay sitcom. Will and Grace was a popular show, it pulled a good number of viewers, so it stayed on the air. American network television is a money business, if people don’t watch, shows go away.

Also, the idea that Will and Grace leads directly to gay marriage is fucking stupid. Will and Grace did well, but it didn’t do that well.

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Now if you’re wondering why modern media seems so gay now, and for the last decade or a bit longer, I think it’s just down to stuff like Twitter. Hollywood has always been afraid of what happened in the ‘60s happening to them again. Where they were behind the times, not tapped into the cultural zeitgeist, and making big movies nobody was going to see. So they’re always looking for a way for that to not happen again, and it seems the way they thought for that to not happen was to use stuff like Twitter as a focus group thinking that places like Twitter were a good indicator of where the public at large was...but it’s not. They’re probably like: The modern youth is very progressive, so here’s a bunch of gay characters now become that seems to be what they want. Video games are like that too, only swap out Twitter for ResetEra and pre ResetEra NeoGAF; and ResetEra is so ideologically bent one way do to how ban happy they are over anything that could even be construed as stepping out of line that catering to what they want is stupid. The only weird thing about this becoming such a huge thing in modern video games is how much money is tied up in modern video games. The audience sees something like Concord and they think: What the fuck is this? But apparently some people at Sony looked at Concord and thought it was a multi billion dollar IP that people would love.