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Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Hedasd

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People are blinded by wokeness and shit on the game without having played it.
It looks good as the gameplay seems inspired by persona, especially how the menus appear during combat.
The graphics and the setting also look good.
And it's not open world slop like the third game.
I'm optimistic about this despite their admittedly bad marketing turning potential customers away.
Im a fan of Dragon Age series, even liked Inquisition a lot after some light modding and forcing myself to ignore certain things yet I opened an account here just to shit on this game and its developers. That should tell you enough. Also if you think gameplay looks good after watching 30 seconds of actual footage, my English knowledge isnt enough to properly describe my feelings towards you.

Again, I'm yet to see any evidence that the game will flop. The numbers that we do have look decent.

"Numbers that we do have" are actually telling quite the opposite. Even now with a month before release, Vileguard has fallen back to #118 on Steam and isnt even in top 10 on PSN pre-orders list(Suicide Squad was at top a month before its release, even Concord was in top 5). Im very pessimistic about its sale numbers because I believe it will be regarded "successful" by some made-up metric but Im still holding onto the hope that it will be a huge commercial failure, much much worse than Anthem. Because Anthem was a big financial failure even with more than 5 million copies sold, considering the fact that this Dragon Age game was in active development for at least 7 years(2017-2024), Im hoping even 10 million sales wont be enough to save Bioware and EA decides to not even wait until upcoming Mass Effect game and just fires everyone.
 

lycanwarrior

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Regarding David Gaider, man, what a faggot. Who the fuck denigrates critique from customers like that by saying: you're just a tourist. In any other industry someone doing that would result in them getting fired or, worse, your company will lose sales, hard. Yet, for some reason, game developers are able to constantly belittle their customers - what a fucked up industry.
Well, my theory is that because they have their backs covered (they receive money to exist) they don't care about making good games. They just care about pushing the agenda. Normally, a company would care about profits and profits come from customers and would refrain from attacking or insulting in any way, their customers. Which brings me to the next point.
Insults. And attacks. These people are not gamers. This industry is populated by suits at the top and devs desperate for jobs or women/trannies hired because diversity requirements. None of these people are gamers. They didn't grow up playing video games. Their hobbies don't include videogames. To the point where a number of them literally coming out and saying they hate games and gamers. Some cases with a writer chick saying that and that other SBI dude/thing saying he wants to burn the industry to the ground.
Now here's the thing: the fans are not gamers either. My theory is that they're movie watchers. They're shallow, superficial and they chase trends.
Back when video games came out they made fun of nerds playing them. Now they are playing as well but for different reasons: trend chasing, shilling, streaming, status etc.
They are the main audience for these movie games or bad, woke games in general.
Did you notice that in the vast majority of cases, reviewers don't talk about gameplay and when they do, they don't talk about the mechanics or go in depth on them? They only focus on story, characters, voice acting, animations, music etc. All of these are movie qualities.
Have you also noticed that in arguments, when actual gamers talk or obsess over certain mechanics or features, the fake fans at some point call them nerds? The same exact insult they used to thtow back when games were in their infancy, so to speak. They out themselves easily. So the modern audience is comprised of very few gamers, a lot of activists for various political and social subjects, shills which are just doing their marketing job, useful idiots who eat shit and order double, trannies (IDK how many there are but there seems to be quite a few which is weird because for them not being able to reproduce they sure multiply) and movie goers who play games for completely different reasons than gamers do.
The gaming industry is dead and the crash/collapse cannoy come soon enough.
Describes Sony's "cinematic" games quite well (Last of Us, God of War). GoW2 practically gives aways the solutions to their puzzles as their target audience was complaining about the puzzles being too difficult in the first game.

And how did Baldur's Gate 3 get to be so huge last year? Going after that same audience...

I played two games that were worked on by SBI: The Crew Motorfest and Mortal Kombat 1. The amount of 'cringe' in both games combined is not even close to what you see in BG3 lol.
 

Asymptotics

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People are blinded by wokeness and shit on the game without having played it.
It looks good as the gameplay seems inspired by persona, especially how the menus appear during combat.
The graphics and the setting also look good.
And it's not open world slop like the third game.
I'm optimistic about this despite their admittedly bad marketing turning potential customers away.
Im a fan of Dragon Age series, even liked Inquisition a lot after some light modding and forcing myself to ignore certain things yet I opened an account here just to shit on this game and its developers. That should tell you enough. Also if you think gameplay looks good after watching 30 seconds of actual footage, my English knowledge isnt enough to properly describe my feelings towards you.

Again, I'm yet to see any evidence that the game will flop. The numbers that we do have look decent.

"Numbers that we do have" are actually telling quite the opposite. Even now with a month before release, Vileguard has fallen back to #118 on Steam and isnt even in top 10 on PSN pre-orders list(Suicide Squad was at top a month before its release, even Concord was in top 5). Im very pessimistic about its sale numbers because I believe it will be regarded "successful" by some made-up metric but Im still holding onto the hope that it will be a huge commercial failure, much much worse than Anthem. Because Anthem was a big financial failure even with more than 5 million copies sold, considering the fact that this Dragon Age game was in active development for at least 7 years(2017-2024), Im hoping even 10 million sales wont be enough to save Bioware and EA decides to not even wait until upcoming Mass Effect game and just fires everyone.
They're just gonna release 5 different game of the year versions like they always do, even though the game will only win game of the year in a single basement in the west side of some random suburb of Detroit.
 

HammyTheFat

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Again, I'm yet to see any evidence that the game will flop. The numbers that we do have look decent.
I also don't think this steaming turd will flop, regardless of dozens of grifters poking fun at it on youtube.

Codex cocoon/bubble seems to underestimate how the severerity of average consoomer retardation has progressed during last 2-3 years.

Bioware doesn't have the mass appeal ubislop does, and star wars outlaws has done so poorly that they actually made public note of it. And that was with Star Wars(tm) attached to their latest slop.

We'll see but I really don't think there's as big a market to begin with for tranny romance simulators.
 
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I believe it will be regarded "successful" by some made-up metric
100%

The same happened with Star Wars Outlaws. The game was at the top of PSN and XBL sales charts and shills used that as proof the game did well at launch. A couple weeks later the truth came out and the shills vanished. I'm expecting a repeat of that.
 

Ryzer

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Again, I'm yet to see any evidence that the game will flop. The numbers that we do have look decent.
I also don't think this steaming turd will flop, regardless of dozens of grifters poking fun at it on youtube.

Codex cocoon/bubble seems to underestimate how the severerity of average consoomer retardation has progressed during last 2-3 years.

Bioware doesn't have the mass appeal ubislop does,
It did, but it all vanished after Dragon Age Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda, A lot of people jumped off the ship after Dragon Age 2.
 
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What a fucking
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Lol.

That's almost too terrible for words.
 

Hedasd

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I believe it will be regarded "successful" by some made-up metric
100%

The same happened with Star Wars Outlaws. The game was at the top of PSN and XBL sales charts and shills used that as proof the game did well at launch. A couple weeks later the truth came out and the shills vanished. I'm expecting a repeat of that.
We can only hope Dragon Age damages EA as much as Outlaws damaged Ubisoft behind the scenes, especially since Vileguard is coming out after 5 weeks EA told investors that there is a strong demand for it.

Lol.

That's almost too terrible for words.


Now imagine those 6head smooth faces on these retarded looking outfits with retarded floating pauldrons and skull shaped diapers and thongs. Even Isabela in second game didnt look this slutty and out of place. I wonder if female Qunari will be allowed to walk around with thongs(I already know the answer is no).
 

Yosharian

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Dont give attention to this guy, he is one of the rare cases were someone is actually a grifter. Some leftie youtube channel uncovered old posts and videos of his and he was shilling for Ubisoft and Microsoft and saying stuff like he loves black people in games and things like that. He created this persona when his last channel died.
Some leftie youtube channel said so eh?

lol...

Yeah he called this out 2 days ago in a video.


Wacth the video and make your own conclusions. A dude who says 'I dont want to be political', 'My favorite game of 2022 is Deathloop (the negro game) and second favorite is Halo Infinite', 'I love Skull and Bones and Watch Dogs 2 (both UBI DEIfied slop)', 'I couldnt put Rage 2 down' etc and less than 4 months later he goes into a 'gas all homos' rant and 'all modern games are gay', yeah, I am gonna be suspicious.



He also purged his old channel when he was called out.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
 
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We can only hope Dragon Age damages EA as much as Outlaws damaged Ubisoft behind the scenes, especially since Vileguard is coming out after 5 weeks EA told investors that there is a strong demand for it.
Unfortunately not. EA has their sports games which make billions for them with the MTX. Veilguard is a drop in the bucket compared to that.

That said, they may finally fulfill the Papa EA meme when this bombs. I fully expect this to be BioWare's last game.
 

Hedasd

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We can only hope Dragon Age damages EA as much as Outlaws damaged Ubisoft behind the scenes, especially since Vileguard is coming out after 5 weeks EA told investors that there is a strong demand for it.
Unfortunately not. EA has their sports games which make billions for them with the MTX. Veilguard is a drop in the bucket compared to that.

That said, they may finally fulfill the Papa EA meme when this bombs. I fully expect this to be BioWare's last game.
My 3rd world middle eastern country alone spends enough on FIFA to support multiple Bioware sized studios, Im just hoping the damage(or annoyance) it causes EA is enough to kill the studio instantly because of all the horrifyingly gross things theyve shown so far. Also I really dont want to see what kind of an abomination next Mass Effect is going to be, its headed by the person that handled microtransactions and DLCs of previous Mass Effect games. Again just shows you that not only no one competent enough is left at Bioware but they are also struggling to hire new people with adequate experience to handle their established franchises.
 

Socrates

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is.
We can only hope Dragon Age damages EA as much as Outlaws damaged Ubisoft behind the scenes, especially since Vileguard is coming out after 5 weeks EA told investors that there is a strong demand for it.
Unfortunately not. EA has their sports games which make billions for them with the MTX. Veilguard is a drop in the bucket compared to that.

That said, they may finally fulfill the Papa EA meme when this bombs. I fully expect this to be BioWare's last game.

I will never understand those people. They buy the same game year over year with each sequel barely having any upgrades at all. Consumerism is a hell of a drug.
 

Ryzer

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All it fucking took for Dragon Age to be good was to implement a turn-based combat, add kool spells from Baldur's Gate (with different names), better ruleset, more C&C and keep everything else from Origins with less trash mobs.

There you have your next game.
 

Butter

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All it fucking took for Dragon Age to be good was to implement a turn-based combat, add kool spells from Baldur's Gate (with different names), better ruleset, more C&C and keep everything else from Origins with less trash mobs.

There you have your next game.
By the time they release their BG3 copycat Swen will be making grand strategy games.
 

sosmoflux

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It's quite funny how they're trying to distance the game from BG3 considering that "more BG3 type shit" is what would sell copies
 

Cael

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Dont give attention to this guy, he is one of the rare cases were someone is actually a grifter. Some leftie youtube channel uncovered old posts and videos of his and he was shilling for Ubisoft and Microsoft and saying stuff like he loves black people in games and things like that. He created this persona when his last channel died.
Some leftie youtube channel said so eh?

lol...

Yeah he called this out 2 days ago in a video.


Wacth the video and make your own conclusions. A dude who says 'I dont want to be political', 'My favorite game of 2022 is Deathloop (the negro game) and second favorite is Halo Infinite', 'I love Skull and Bones and Watch Dogs 2 (both UBI DEIfied slop)', 'I couldnt put Rage 2 down' etc and less than 4 months later he goes into a 'gas all homos' rant and 'all modern games are gay', yeah, I am gonna be suspicious.



He also purged his old channel when he was called out.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

With leftards, it is both, with malice out in front.
 

Camel

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All it fucking took for Dragon Age to be good was to implement a turn-based combat, add kool spells from Baldur's Gate (with different names), better ruleset, more C&C and keep everything else from Origins with less trash mobs.

There you have your next game.
All it takes for BioWare is to make a completely different game and it will be good. No shit, Sherlock.
 
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Again, I'm yet to see any evidence that the game will flop. The numbers that we do have look decent.
I also don't think this steaming turd will flop, regardless of dozens of grifters poking fun at it on youtube.

Codex cocoon/bubble seems to underestimate how the severerity of average consoomer retardation has progressed during last 2-3 years.

I would've agreed, but the recent string of disasters over the last year or two cannot have been good for BioWare's hopes.

Even the mainstream is tired of activist corporate media. The reason is simple: nobody wants morality dictated to them by megacorps.

We'll see real soon how sales do.

I’d also imagine BioWare would need this game to do better than they usually need a game to do with the money I’d image Dragon Age 4 has accrued over the years of different Dragon Age 4 games started and stopping development.

If this exact game had come out a decade earlier it’d probably do well enough for BioWare to be just fine. But this year it’s got a lot going against it. For one thing, nobody gives a shit about BioWare like they did in the days of the Xbox and 360. They pissed away what little video game cultural cachet they had with Mass Effect: Andromeda and Anthem. This year also seems to be the year where corporate moral grandstanding comes to a head in video games, and Dragon Age: The Veilguard looks like it’s the most corporate moral grandstanding virtue signalling produced to come out this. But maybe more of important than anything, the game looks like fucking shit. It’s a combat focused action (RPG) that looks like it’s aping the combat system of Final Fantasy 7 Remake but it has less options than Final Fantasy 7 Remake, you can’t swap characters like in FF7R, and the combat animations aren’t as good as FF7R so the whole thing doesn’t look as good. In a year where Final Fantasy VII Rebirth came out, and looks like the better version of what The Veilguard wants to be, I’m not sure why anyone (besides hardcore modern BioWare fanboys) would buy The Veilguard at full price. This is also a year with Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree, Diablo IV: Vessel of Hatred, Black Myth: Wukong, Dragon’s Dogma 2, Kunitsu-Gami: Path of the Goddess, Rise of the Rōnin, Stellar Blade, Granblue Fantasy: Relink, Zenless Zone Zero, and Final Fantasy 16 gets a PC release. There’s so many better looking action games this year to pick from its hard to imagine someone going for The Veilguard when it comes out or during the holiday shopping season that’s coming up.

Also, since FromSoftware stopped being niche and has become mainstream in the last five or some years, it seems like people don’t handwave “action RPG” combat anymore like they did when Action RPGs with action game combat were first becoming a thing; like in the 360 days people would excuse the terrible combat of the Mass Effect games and of Bethesda’s games with a: Well, it’s an RPG, what did you expect? But I don’t see that anymore. Maybe it’s partly because Mass Effect: Andromeda, Fallout 76, and Anthem brought on something of a falling out with their respected developers (people don’t handwave Bethesda bugs like they did pre Fallout 76 either) but I think FromSoftware getting big and making far better playing action games that get called RPGs helped.
 

HammyTheFat

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All it fucking took for Dragon Age to be good was to implement a turn-based combat, add kool spells from Baldur's Gate (with different names), better ruleset, more C&C and keep everything else from Origins with less trash mobs.

There you have your next game.
By the time they release their BG3 copycat Swen will be making grand strategy games.
Where is my x-com style divinity game! Swen promised!
 

Zeriel

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Again, I'm yet to see any evidence that the game will flop. The numbers that we do have look decent.
I also don't think this steaming turd will flop, regardless of dozens of grifters poking fun at it on youtube.

Codex cocoon/bubble seems to underestimate how the severerity of average consoomer retardation has progressed during last 2-3 years.

I would've agreed, but the recent string of disasters over the last year or two cannot have been good for BioWare's hopes.

Even the mainstream is tired of activist corporate media. The reason is simple: nobody wants morality dictated to them by megacorps.

We'll see real soon how sales do.
Normalfags have never really minded moral preaching before. The core cause of all these flops is not that they're woke, but that they're SHIT (though that is kinda caused by them being woke). Everything indicates that this game will be no exception.

Shit goes with woke though. It's the same thing as Christian "purpose driven" films; we used to make fun of those for being awful, and the reason is the same. When you start determining how products are made not based on quality or engaging content, but on whether they are "morally correct", you end up promoting people based on a criteria other than the quality of their work. Which inevitably ends up with your employees being trash. It's why I am not optimistic on the state of media in general even if the people at the top give an explicit direction to change course. The corps are staffed up with mediocrities by incentive. Giving a different direction to said mediocrities won't result in better products, mostly.

Internally, the companies seem to know this too. It's an explicit strategy when they highlight racism and "backlash" of the fans in marketing before said backlash has even happened, because the company knows it has a stinker on its hands and figures it can get more products moved if it convinces the half of the population that supports their political agenda that buying the product is a Stand Against Evil. If you knew your product was so good it would please most people, you wouldn't do that.
 

Semiurge

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Again, I'm yet to see any evidence that the game will flop. The numbers that we do have look decent.
I also don't think this steaming turd will flop, regardless of dozens of grifters poking fun at it on youtube.

Codex cocoon/bubble seems to underestimate how the severerity of average consoomer retardation has progressed during last 2-3 years.

I would've agreed, but the recent string of disasters over the last year or two cannot have been good for BioWare's hopes.

Even the mainstream is tired of activist corporate media. The reason is simple: nobody wants morality dictated to them by megacorps.

We'll see real soon how sales do.
Normalfags have never really minded moral preaching before. The core cause of all these flops is not that they're woke, but that they're SHIT (though that is kinda caused by them being woke). Everything indicates that this game will be no exception.

Yeah well, even great gameplay can't salvage the whole if the story is boring, morally preachy shit. And so far everything shown about the gameplay indicates that Rook is basically soloing through the combat since the two other (lol) party members deal reduced damage, and as a bonus I've seen their models pass through Rook's without any collision like as if they're holograms. You can't even micromanage each combat situation anymore through managing your party members. That was the best thing about Origins combat in addition to the huge pool of potential abilities to choose from, and it didn't matter that it was "only" RTwP. This is a single-player MMO, and nothing about the story revealed so far sets this apart from all competition. The engine can render pretty environments, but the childish and unimaginative art-style ruins that too.

The full impression on this is basically that these devs and writers are no better than your basic politically correct A.I, and that's a low bar indeed.

Never seen that guy before, but just hearing him talk for 1 minute already tells me that he is the will-sell-his-grandma-for-money type.

I never listen to these types anyway, I just enable the subtitles.

It's quite funny how they're trying to distance the game from BG3 considering that "more BG3 type shit" is what would sell copies

Not sure about that since many current DA fans seem to welcome the fact that "it doesn't even resemble an RPG anymore". Anything turn-based? No way. Not unless there's a way to skip all combat and focus on the perversions. These current DA fans consider RPGs a pastime of chuds, something that they see as negatively tainted in the political sense. Something "eww".

Dont give attention to this guy, he is one of the rare cases were someone is actually a grifter. Some leftie youtube channel uncovered old posts and videos of his and he was shilling for Ubisoft and Microsoft and saying stuff like he loves black people in games and things like that. He created this persona when his last channel died.
Some leftie youtube channel said so eh?

lol...

Yeah he called this out 2 days ago in a video.


Wacth the video and make your own conclusions. A dude who says 'I dont want to be political', 'My favorite game of 2022 is Deathloop (the negro game) and second favorite is Halo Infinite', 'I love Skull and Bones and Watch Dogs 2 (both UBI DEIfied slop)', 'I couldnt put Rage 2 down' etc and less than 4 months later he goes into a 'gas all homos' rant and 'all modern games are gay', yeah, I am gonna be suspicious.



He also purged his old channel when he was called out.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

With leftards, it is both, with malice out in front.


I agree, they're taking pride in poisoning every franchise they can get their hands on. Otherwise they'd be creating something new from scratch. They say they're improving problematic things that already exist, but their modus operandi is to take the existing cultural staples and inject their political DNA into them so that competing worldviews would disappear from the public sight, and eventually, its mind. Forget for a moment all the buzzwords and novel names given to them, the wokies, the critical race-theorists, the third-wave feminists. Focus on what they're actually doing, and compare that to what communists have been doing throughout the centuries during their rise to power. It's all happening again, even though all the terms, names and faces have been changed. This movement's true face still remains the same, and it hides its true objectives behind humanitarian ideals. And unless you bend the knee to them, they'd put you against a wall if they could.
 
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NaturallyCarnivorousSheep

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Will Chris-Chan abandon Sonic for DA4? (Assuming he's still alive)


I'm not sure you realise how childish CWC is.
It's quite funny how they're trying to distance the game from BG3 considering that "more BG3 type shit" is what would sell copies
As I've said before they've developed the game for a number of years now and BG3 only came out last year. While we, as gaming game gamers with gamer dent can say that the game was known to go big given the fact divinity games sold very well, even on casual gamer level the gameplay in them was fun, but they lacked the kind of interactive movie dialogue style that people liked the witcher or mass effect or whatever for and BG3 would have it, that's a large audience that hops in out of nowhere. But that's us, a person who would have to suggest that to EA/Bioware would have to be some market analyst of sort and he would have to do it around 2020 at the latest. Even if he would suggest that he would hear something like ok, you may be right. but look at RDR2 sales we want a game like that, other big RPG developers like Square Enix are also going this route.
As such it's likely they're even downplaying the interactive movie similarity because their marketing strategy, written back then said they should compare the game to action games like cuck of war or something. I mean realistically the dialogue style, fantasy setting and rough genre similarity is the only thing these games have in common so maybe that's simply correct way to not generate a sort of anti-hype of broken promises.

By the way one way in which EA may not shut bioware down if Mass Effect 4 flops, at least that I can see, is because they know hasbro is looking for someone to make a D&D RPG in a known franchise these days. If Veilguard shits itself then that wouldn't even be surprising.
 

Larianshill

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Tevinter Imperium?
Bro they turned Tevinter into a homosexual LARP simulator. It went from a grim dark region that you read about in earlier Codex entries to whatever the fuck this is:
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Hold on a second. Is that... Is that a waistcoat? With buttons? Didn't like, only 20 years pass since Origins? Where people looked like this?

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This is some 17-18th century shit, what the fuck am I looking at? I understand not knowing what fantasy should feel like, as Veilguard is made by people who've never read fantasy, and in fact despise fantasy, but do these people not know what fantasy should even LOOK like?
 

Semiurge

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Veilguard clothing was designed by people who think steampunk is still hep.
 

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