Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Thread

[Brickfrog]

Bioware isn't dead yet. It doesn't look like Veilguard bombed all that hard so far. Even if it has, it's very unclear if that would cause EA to pull the plug on ME5. They know that franchise still has some milk left.

 

[Warrax]

After BG3, all these public game studios are going to try to distill what made it successful into a simple formula they can rinse and repeat for a quick buck.

In the best case scenario the failure of Veilguard will prove the magic sauce wasn't superficial gratuitous pandering to LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ++; dogma.

 

[BrotherFrank]

Apparently, the most terrible Blight happens in veilguard, the darkest and most desperate and all. It's the mother of all blights, and some of them lasted for centuries!

The catch? Most of the fun stuff happens in the south, Denerim has fallen, Val Royeaux besieged! Ferelden and Orlais are barely holding back the tide

while you attend that critical pronoun lecture

This makes me rage more then it should, like it's a direct attack on dragon age origin fans.

So remember the main city of origins you spent a lot of time in and where the finale took place? Well lulz it got razed OFFSCREEN and your pc from origins did nothing and probably got steamrolled and is a cuck in general, that'll teach you to be a fan of the series!

And if denerim fell, then really it's likely all of ferelden is fucked since that's how it was portrayed in origins, not that the hack writers who by their own admission didn't even play origins would know.

 

[Larianshill]

Apparently, the most terrible Blight happens in veilguard, the darkest and most desperate and all. It's the mother of all blights, and some of them lasted for centuries!

The catch? Most of the fun stuff happens in the south, Denerim has fallen, Val Royeaux besieged! Ferelden and Orlais are barely holding back the tide

while you attend that critical pronoun lecture

This makes me rage more then it should, like it's a direct attack on dragon age origin fans.

So remember the main city of origins you spent a lot of time in and where the finale took place? Well lulz it got razed OFFSCREEN and your pc from origins did nothing and probably got steamrolled and is a cuck in general, that'll teach you to be a fan of the series!

Have you heard about the Loghain stuff yet?

 

[ShadowSpectre]

Looks like it's DEI developed faggotry. Has Bioware made anything even okay since the Mass Effect trilogy? This shit will cost $100 and hopefully because of the economy, people won't buy this shit.

 

[Raghar]

Some of fantasy writing highlights so far:

Oof
'kay, bye
Non-binary
Trans
Fire/under fire (no firearms)
It didn't make the print (no printing in the setting, char talks about a newspaper article)

Game is set 20 years after Origins, but some of the clothing is straight up 19th century. Like, daym, we were ghetto slumming in Origins

They put 300 years worth of research into clothing industry. That's the way how they should live their lives. Work hard as peasants, bad salary, but cheap clothes they can buy every month new one, or perhaps every day shopping for new cute clothes.

That's how their society is going. Luckily they didn't invented cell phones yet.

 

[MerchantKing]

Looks like it's DEI developed faggotry. Has Bioware made anything even okay since the Mass Effect trilogy? This shit will cost $100 and hopefully because of the economy, people won't buy this shit.

Ass Effect was DEI faggotry long before DEI even existed.

 

[Warrax]

With Dragon Age: Veilguard, Bioware finally succeeds in making a game for their elusive "modern audience": low-IQ transgender preteens of color who need instructions on how to mash button for awesome.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Now we wait for sales I guess. I'm very interested in what EA expectations were and what their benchmark for a "success" is for Vilguard. The devil is in the details, or, in this case, the sustainability after the initial hype. Dragon's Dogma 2, a game that sold way more than this, struggled with its long term sales after the initial hype died off - for context, there was a huge hype by us DD fans because we expected the sequel to be a better title than the first, the original director was also at the helm so we were pretty hopeful - mainly because he directed DMC 5 which secured confidence. Dragon's Dogma 2 cashed in on all the built up goodwill from us fans for its 2 mil something sales. When people realized just how poorly the game ran, streamlined mechanics, unfinished story, bad implementation of pawn system, etc; the game got negative steam reviews and now sits at 'mixed' steam ratings. DD 2 sales have struggled ever since, see: https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/pdf/explanation/2024/2nd/explanation_2024_2nd_01.pdf

To add to the shit cake, the Director would leave Capcom, post support for DD 2 would be pretty much non-existent, and Capcom would prioritize its resources on Monster Hunter instead.

Now that was a game that sold way, way, more than Veilguard. Had way, way, more players. Plus it had some serious organic support from enthusiastic fans. Vileguard on the other hand relied heavily on manufactured, aggressive, marketing - EA must have paid a lot of money for that, and even then it still didn't scratch the top ten (for context Elden Ring, DD 2, DMC 5, all did) so it's going to be interesting to see the sustainability after the fact - no way they're recouping costs from marketing alone. I personally believe this is a dud but we won't know for sure until months later.

I've seen articles proclaim this launch as *the* 'biggest' for Bioware, but again, as others have noted, this is Bioware's first release on steam on day one. Steam has a bigger potential market for games than the proprietary service EA uses - I'm not saying releasing on steam will give you an immediate hit, but it does help, a lot.

Here's my uneducated dumb dumb opinion: I believe earnestly that the LGTBQ+ elements, the political preaching from the rainbow freaks, did way more harm in instilling confidence than anything else. I think even as a shit RPG with poor game design Vileguard could have secured more sales if it didn't neuture itself with the poor fan service on offer - no sexy companions, terrible ass/boob slider, tranny shit, DEI compromises, etc. I think if you make sexy, attractive, characters you can sell off of that alone: The First Descendant had way more players because of its fan service (said players will drop but it still pulled a crap ton of players because of its attractive character design); another example is the entirety of the Gacha industry which doesn't even have gameplay in some instances, just trading cards with hot waifus, and that industry makes over a billion dollars a year. You can't have a bad game with also bad fan service and expect it to sell as much as your competitors, you got to at least do one thing right.

Another thing I'm looking forward to is the normie perception. Very interested in how normies recieve this title. It's only been a day so far so its in the air if the game will get a super low metacritic score, get negatively review bombed, maybe have juicy controversy, etc. I'm not really hopeful in this front though since normies have gotten even dumber over the years.

This is a wrong read of things. Monster Hunter Wilds was in development alongside Dragon’s Dogma 2, and is made by a completely different internal studio within Capcom. It’s not like Dragon’s Dogma 2 did what it did and Capcom just prioritized a new Monster Hunter over it. If anything a new Monster Hunter would’ve been prioritized years before, after World turned out to be a massive success for Capcom. We’ve also known about Wilds since the 2020 Capcom leak, which has a pre COVID schedule...so a schedule that was put together in late 2019 or early 2020 before the COVID lockdowns.

Hideaki Itsuno leaving also doesn’t close the door on later Dragon’s Dogma 2 updates. The Dark Arisen update wasn’t even directed by Itsuno, when Dragon’s Dogma came out him and his team moved on to doing Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition, while Kento Kinoshita (who would later do Dragon’s Dogma Online) and some team members did Dark Arisen.

My guess is Itsuno left Capcom because he wants to do fighting game stuff, and probably went somewhere where he can do that. The Capcom leak had a new Power Stone (which is an Itsuno game) on there. I’m thinking the original plan was for him to go into production on that, a new fighting game, once Dragon’s Dogma 2 wrapped. But I think since those original plans Capcom made a new deal to do a new Marvel vs Capcom game, which probably put a damper on the production of Power Stone...since that would mean Capcom would have three fighting games in the marketplace at the same time. I wouldn’t be surprised if Itsuno turns up at SNK.

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As far as this game goes, it’s easy to say it’s the gay and trans stuff which is why the game did so bad, because you watch videos of the game and it’s all so badly done and dumb. But, I’d say it’s the writing itself that hurt it. Even if the shit we’ve seen wasn’t about gender identity or whatever hamfisted messaging they’re trying to handle...it’d still be horrible. Now, as is, it’s obnoxious, but regardless, it would’ve been painful and eye-roll inducing. The footage of the player character dealing with party members like they’re talking to two years olds is just as confusing placed as everything else. The game’s writing keeps getting compared to Marvel stuff, but the worst written Marvel movie or game isn’t anywhere close to being this bad...and Midnight Suns had some stupid shit in it. This game feels like it was written as someone weird vanity project, like some indie movie made by someone that isn’t really a director, actor, or writer but happens to have enough money to get a movie made; it doesn’t feel like a professional production.

 

[DKunit]

Itsuno turning up at SNK would be so awesome.

 

[Black]

RPG Codex retrospective when?

 

[Warrax]

The level of writing in that scene with "so... I'm non-binary" is about the same as "anyway how's your sex life?" from The Room.

 

[Alienman]

So the blight is a German on the Normandy beach manning a MG42. How they hell can there be another blight already? You dodged one burst, by pure luck and much suffering, that essentially destroyed the whole country. Just for the bad guy to reload and throw you five more in seconds. Wtf...

 

[Laz Sundays]

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"Eating around the dick" is truly a perfect way to describe modern gaming experience

 

[Skinwalker]

As far as this game goes, it’s easy to say it’s the gay and trans stuff which is why the game did so bad, because you watch videos of the game and it’s all so badly done and dumb. But, I’d say it’s the writing itself that hurt it. Even if the shit we’ve seen wasn’t about gender identity or whatever hamfisted messaging they’re trying to handle...it’s still be horrible.

And yet, virtually every pro-tranny and ultra-woke project, be it video game, movie, tv series, or whatever, gives off the impression that it was written by mentally disabled people and/or literal psychopaths.

And I doubt there is a single example of a non-woke project that has such an abysmal level of quality.

 

[Tyranicon]

How they hell can there be another blight already?

I'm assuming the answer is unironically "the elves did it."

 

[cioran]

How they hell can there be another blight already?

I'm assuming the answer is unironically "the elves did it."

 

[cpmartins]

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"Eating around the dick" is truly a perfect way to describe modern gaming experience

If you manage to avoid eating the shit, it really doesn't taste like shit.

 

[Elttharion]

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"Eating around the dick" is truly a perfect way to describe modern gaming experience

The best decision you can make on a game like this is your own

I hate when streamers say this. Dude you get the game for free, plus sponsors, plus merch, plus getting flown to the studio to meet the devs, plus ads, etc. At least be a decent shill, dont pretend to play both sides.

 

[MerchantKing]

How they hell can there be another blight already?

I'm assuming the answer is unironically "the elves did it."

Yes. Meanwhile the Gnomes are innocent unlike the elves.

 

[KafkaBot]

Yes. Meanwhile the Gnomes are innocent unlike the elves.

Elves are sometimes pleasant enough, as long as you keep an eye on them.

The only good gnome is a dead gnome.

 

[MerchantKing]

Yes. Meanwhile the Gnomes are innocent unlike the elves.

Elves are sometimes pleasant enough, as long as you keep an eye on them.

The only good gnome is a dead gnome.

Cool it with the antinanatic remarks.

 

[Cael]

Yes. Meanwhile the Gnomes are innocent unlike the elves.

Elves are sometimes pleasant enough, as long as you keep an eye on them.

The only good gnome is a dead gnome.

After playing Arcanum, I can't disagree.

 

[BrotherFrank]

Have you heard about the Loghain stuff yet?

I've seen some allude to him being mind controlled or some bs?

 

[cioran]

Yes. Meanwhile the Gnomes are innocent unlike the elves.

Of course...