Child of Malkav
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Fuck then I played this game on easy mode with 10 vigor and all that. Damn, you learn something new every day.
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TheHeroOfTime
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Why would that be easy mode? Fire spells are nice against plants, but some bosses are right on you, and it's not easy to not get hit even when you use crossbow.Finished the game at 70 hours, I explored all the map and killed every major boss. Overall, gud game but unbalanced and unpolished as fuck in a bunch of aspects. The last bosses (Godfrey, Radagon, Elden beast) where solid designed and more balanced than others. Now I'll try easy mode (A magic build).
That fat guy is an idiot. So by his logic bows and crossbows are magic because you can fight from afar. Meanwhile, as a mage you dodge all over the place, learning the boss movesets trying to find the best window to cast a spell.....yeah, totally easy mode.
He's joking and triggering people. But he's also saying something true. Staying away from the enemies/bosses while attacking them from distance is objectively speaking an easier gameplay style than melee builds. Because it's safer. You don't need to learn the enemies patterns to the same degree than a melee player does. You just stay back rolling and spamming shit. And in this game is easier than ever since you can cast spells while you're moving. And it becomes even easier if you summon an ash or another player to distract the foe.
Compare that to this
Melee involves more risks and require to understand the boss pattern/behavior to know when to dogde and when to attack. Meanwhile, while using magic all you need to do is to run/roll backwards and cast spells.
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Ghulgothas
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Stony, cold; a vacant mug forever locked in a geriatric stupor. Perfect for the anemic magelets who think they're cool for donning the guise of some wrinkled old prune without having the decency to put on a blindfold afterwards and too feeble to carry the venerable load of the Preceptors Big Hat or the sage wisdom of the Okina Mask.
Try this on for size, since all you niggas want to be a Wicked Witch so bad.
Child of Malkav
Erudite
Why would that be easy mode? Fire spells are nice against plants, but some bosses are right on you, and it's not easy to not get hit even when you use crossbow.Finished the game at 70 hours, I explored all the map and killed every major boss. Overall, gud game but unbalanced and unpolished as fuck in a bunch of aspects. The last bosses (Godfrey, Radagon, Elden beast) where solid designed and more balanced than others. Now I'll try easy mode (A magic build).
That fat guy is an idiot. So by his logic bows and crossbows are magic because you can fight from afar. Meanwhile, as a mage you dodge all over the place, learning the boss movesets trying to find the best window to cast a spell.....yeah, totally easy mode.
He's joking and triggering people. But he's also saying something true. Staying away from the enemies/bosses while attacking them from distance is objectively speaking an easier gameplay style than melee builds. Because it's safer. You don't need to learn the enemies patterns to the same degree than a melee player does. You just stay back rolling and spamming shit. And in this game is easier than ever since you can cast spells while you're moving. And it becomes even easier if you summon an ash or another player to distract the foe.
Compare that to this
Melee involves more risks and require to understand the boss pattern/behavior to know when to dogde and when to attack. Meanwhile, while using magic all you need to do is to run/roll backwards and cast spells.
Yeah but you still have to participate in combat, running, dodging, finding the right direction to roll from certain or baiting other attacks. It may not be hard mode but it still is on medium. Various spells have different casting length animation and you better know when to it's safe-ish to cast those spells or you ain't getting one out. The size of the arena also matters as a large one you can afford to stay at a distance (though in the case of hyper aggressive bosses it doesn't really matter) but in a small one where you have little space to move you're gonna have a hard time.
And it also depends on the player and how used he or she is with that playstyle. Me? I couldn't defeat Hoarah Loux with spells in 2nd phase, I had to fight him melee. Malenia the same. Radagon also. And others.
PorkyThePaladin
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At this rate:
Demon Souls (slow, plodding but tactical action combat) > Dark Souls (same) > Dark Souls 2 (more actiony elements) > Dark Souls 3 (rolling simulator) > Sekiro (reflex based action combat) > Elden Ring (reflex based action combat wrapped in pointless stats with gimped player abilities/animations) > FS Next game (e-sports fighting game).
Demon Souls (slow, plodding but tactical action combat) > Dark Souls (same) > Dark Souls 2 (more actiony elements) > Dark Souls 3 (rolling simulator) > Sekiro (reflex based action combat) > Elden Ring (reflex based action combat wrapped in pointless stats with gimped player abilities/animations) > FS Next game (e-sports fighting game).
Wunderbar
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Dark SOuls 2 is actually the slowest here.
I am really enjoying the game so far; seems like the Souls formula was applied to Dragons Dogma which is a fantastic combination to me.
The openworld system feels just so liberating but obviously it kind of works against tightly focused level design from the earlier games (especially compared to Dark Souls and Demons Souls especially) but the overall system feels very fresh to be able to gank enemies in a very Souls like manner.
Speaking of ganking, it’s quite an achievement that without compromising the legendary Difficulty of the Souls games they did manage to make the more appropriately mainstream by offering options like the Spirit Summons. Those are there in case you want to make things easier on you and being completely optional was a genious move.
For example the Margit fight I tried to solo it for awhile without summons, then I tried the summons especially for his second phase and decided I wanted to do it without help and I did and that felt very satisfying; I had the choice on how to proceed with NPC help and summons but choosing my own challenge proved to give me such a great sense of accomplishment that only the Souls games can do
The fact that they fixed the poise system from Dark Souls 3 (which made heavy armor totally irrelevant on that game) made archery a viable fighting option and made magic one of the best options for low risk players show that the Souls combat and gameplay philosophy is still top notch
On the other side the crafting system felt a bit unnecessary and the upgrades felt even more dumbed down that Dark Souls 3; the lack of upgrades for armor still feels incredibly short sighted and more geared towards pleasing PvPers that helping enhance the main game.
All in all it feels more like an offshoot that an evolutionary step; I still feel that the original Dark Souls did it best in all of its concepts and design decisions, Bloodborne tried to switch things around to make the pace of the game more action than reaction and Sekiro tried to take that action concept into its zenith of design while Elden Ring feels more of a Souls combat system Frankensteind into an open world design more akin to Dragons Dogma…
The game is still loads of fun and will replay it a lot especially with different builds so super happy with it and hopefully we get even better systems in the future
The openworld system feels just so liberating but obviously it kind of works against tightly focused level design from the earlier games (especially compared to Dark Souls and Demons Souls especially) but the overall system feels very fresh to be able to gank enemies in a very Souls like manner.
Speaking of ganking, it’s quite an achievement that without compromising the legendary Difficulty of the Souls games they did manage to make the more appropriately mainstream by offering options like the Spirit Summons. Those are there in case you want to make things easier on you and being completely optional was a genious move.
For example the Margit fight I tried to solo it for awhile without summons, then I tried the summons especially for his second phase and decided I wanted to do it without help and I did and that felt very satisfying; I had the choice on how to proceed with NPC help and summons but choosing my own challenge proved to give me such a great sense of accomplishment that only the Souls games can do
The fact that they fixed the poise system from Dark Souls 3 (which made heavy armor totally irrelevant on that game) made archery a viable fighting option and made magic one of the best options for low risk players show that the Souls combat and gameplay philosophy is still top notch
On the other side the crafting system felt a bit unnecessary and the upgrades felt even more dumbed down that Dark Souls 3; the lack of upgrades for armor still feels incredibly short sighted and more geared towards pleasing PvPers that helping enhance the main game.
All in all it feels more like an offshoot that an evolutionary step; I still feel that the original Dark Souls did it best in all of its concepts and design decisions, Bloodborne tried to switch things around to make the pace of the game more action than reaction and Sekiro tried to take that action concept into its zenith of design while Elden Ring feels more of a Souls combat system Frankensteind into an open world design more akin to Dragons Dogma…
The game is still loads of fun and will replay it a lot especially with different builds so super happy with it and hopefully we get even better systems in the future
SumDrunkGuy
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Unnecessary!? Is it unnecessary for me to drink my own urine? Yes but it's sterile and I like the taste.
Lets face the facts here folks, Miyazaki shit tard is the villain in all of this. Yes he set the foundation for everything but beyond that he has proven to be not only incompetent but a serious detriment to all future Soulsborne titles.
Dark Souls 2 set this subgenre on a path to true greatness. It set out to usher in a new era of ARPGs where the possibilities of build experimentation and sense of adventure were nearly limitless. Dark Souls 2 achieved this greatness it's self. It went beyond the foundation and created something truly legendary.
And then along came that stupid faggot Miyazaki, all full of himself. The dipshit disposed of all the advancements made by the ultimate masterpiece Dark Souls 2. He threw away brilliant mechanics, dumbed everything down because he was so full of himself.
Notice how years later he realised how brilliant powerstance was and finally brought it back but he brought back little else. Fuck Miyazaki. The guy is a deluded hack and he deliberately went out of his way to ignore all the brilliant ideas introduced by 2. He is a cancer and needs plunged.
perfectslumbers
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DS2 is the slowest but still feels more "actiony" than ds1/des because of the increase in tracking and more bosses focused on just being difficult combat challenges (Which wasn't that prominent in DS1 until the dlc added 4 of them, and there were only a handful in DES.) At least that's my opinion.
Wunderbar
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both are relatively low-budget eurojank games. Kinda what Spiders games are when compared to Bioware's.
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SumDrunkGuy
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I thought about getting Surge 2 at some point. I need to find out if the character creator has a butt slider. I can live with small tits but the lack of PAWGs in modern day games is downright sickening.
The Decline
Arcane
Decent scifi souls-clones.
There are gaymers who take the very idea of playing a non-FS Soulslike as supremely offensive.
Me, I'm a Souls whore. Can't get enough. Lords of the Fallen, both Surges, Ashen, Mortal Shell, both Niohs, loved them all.
If you decide to go for it, I suggest starting with Surge 2. It's a bit more accessible and welcoming.
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It mean it is easier to access and exudes a greater feeling of being welcome.
Bigg Boss
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WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN?It mean it is easier to access and exudes a greater feeling of being welcome.
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They mean its more developed and significantly polished mechanics-wise. Smoother/less janky.
Also you have more options that can make you more OP.
Why would that be easy mode? Fire spells are nice against plants, but some bosses are right on you, and it's not easy to not get hit even when you use crossbow.Finished the game at 70 hours, I explored all the map and killed every major boss. Overall, gud game but unbalanced and unpolished as fuck in a bunch of aspects. The last bosses (Godfrey, Radagon, Elden beast) where solid designed and more balanced than others. Now I'll try easy mode (A magic build).
That fat guy is an idiot. So by his logic bows and crossbows are magic because you can fight from afar. Meanwhile, as a mage you dodge all over the place, learning the boss movesets trying to find the best window to cast a spell.....yeah, totally easy mode.
He's joking and triggering people. But he's also saying something true. Staying away from the enemies/bosses while attacking them from distance is objectively speaking an easier gameplay style than melee builds. Because it's safer. You don't need to learn the enemies patterns to the same degree than a melee player does. You just stay back rolling and spamming shit. And in this game is easier than ever since you can cast spells while you're moving. And it becomes even easier if you summon an ash or another player to distract the foe.
Compare that to this
Melee involves more risks and require to understand the boss pattern/behavior to know when to dogde and when to attack. Meanwhile, while using magic all you need to do is to run/roll backwards and cast spells.
Bonus:
This guy had it easy because he played with mimic not because he's using magic you don't need to learn enemy patterns when your summon is non-stop taking agro from you
You are comparing a guy who fights solo to a dude with mimic or another in co-op at this point I think you are trolling if you summon some shit that takes agro every 5 second from you, you don't need to learn boss be it melee magic or any build you just wait for summon to take agro slap boss and do it over again try to kill Melania with this crap spelll solo we see how long it will take her to catch you in animation with her grab or flurry :D
It's like a zoomer starting with DS1. He might uninstall inside an hour bc "what's this stupid janky piece of trash"?
Starting with Elden Ring tho will ease him into the formula much better. Then he can go back to less polished previous games and enjoy them for what they are.
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