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ELEXmakesMeHard

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Doing a Sorcery playthough. Feel like an undeserving piece of shit after most victories. Does the shame ever go away...

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Selection bias. Summons are OP when you summon a semi competent player with a meta build. The average summon is a 600 HP cosplaying noob that gets one-shot by the boss and leaves you to fight a double HP monstrosity.

I'm talking about Ash summons, not other human players. But then again, I can't comment on recent patches since I finished the game about a month ago.
 

Sunri

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I'm power stancing two Bandit's Curved Sword

Wait, how did you get that on a new character? I spent hours trying to farm this thing and only got a single drop in Sage's cave. Best Curved Sword in the game, pain in the ass to get it to actually drop.

I would wager he read this very Codex thread, some of his wording is extremely similar to a lot of criticism expressed here.

Very possible, it's well known faggot tubers lurk forums to get their next video scripts. Wouldn't be a problem if they actually CREDITED said forums. Unless it's reddit, ofc. I guess it's only wrong to rip off redditards, but Codex is fair game.

As for the video, I stopped watching once I heard low-IQ takes like "it's not the same after the first time" and "it's much shorter when you actually know where to go". And his character screen shows an obscene amount of playtime, his argument of "the game is shit after 300 hours" is complete and utter nonsense. No game should strive to be a fucking college degree worth of time investment. I remember some blue haired twitch faggot saying in an interview with some Path of Exile suit that he (the faggot) had played the game for more than 10k hours. Proudly stating that fact. It's utterly fucking insane. Nigga could've gone to college twice with that time investment.

What I'm saying is that "the game sucks after 300 hours" is not an argument.

His (correct) conclusion is that summons are completely broken and trivialize most encounters.

Selection bias. Summons are OP when you summon a semi competent player with a meta build. The average summon is a 600 HP cosplaying noob that gets one-shot by the boss and leaves you to fight a double HP monstrosity.

I mean he plays and streams poe for a living, who cares about college when he makes big dollar bucks playing a game that he loves lol
 

NJClaw

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Some summons do break the game, but there are like 60 of them and only a few are actually broken. Nobody forces you to summon Black Knife Tiche, Luthel the Headless, or the Mimic Tear. Find which summons suit your playstyle and your idea of fun and just use those. A friend of mine loves the Skeletal Militiaman ashes: they constantly attract enemies' aggro but don't deal enough damage to have a big impact on the fight, so he can still face enemies almost fairly but with longer safe windows to heal and attack. So far I've tried them only to see them in action, but I will probably try a semi-pacifist run with a supporting buffer cheering for his spirit summons.

Nigga could've gone to college twice with that time investment.
Playing videogames is more entertaining than following college lessons. With the time I've spent playing videogames I probably could have platinumed college education.
 

Bigg Boss

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I'm power stancing two Bandit's Curved Sword

Wait, how did you get that on a new character? I spent hours trying to farm this thing and only got a single drop in Sage's cave. Best Curved Sword in the game, pain in the ass to get it to actually drop.

I would wager he read this very Codex thread, some of his wording is extremely similar to a lot of criticism expressed here.

Very possible, it's well known faggot tubers lurk forums to get their next video scripts. Wouldn't be a problem if they actually CREDITED said forums. Unless it's reddit, ofc. I guess it's only wrong to rip off redditards, but Codex is fair game.

As for the video, I stopped watching once I heard low-IQ takes like "it's not the same after the first time" and "it's much shorter when you actually know where to go". And his character screen shows an obscene amount of playtime, his argument of "the game is shit after 300 hours" is complete and utter nonsense. No game should strive to be a fucking college degree worth of time investment. I remember some blue haired twitch faggot saying in an interview with some Path of Exile suit that he (the faggot) had played the game for more than 10k hours. Proudly stating that fact. It's utterly fucking insane. Nigga could've gone to college twice with that time investment.

What I'm saying is that "the game sucks after 300 hours" is not an argument.

His (correct) conclusion is that summons are completely broken and trivialize most encounters.

Selection bias. Summons are OP when you summon a semi competent player with a meta build. The average summon is a 600 HP cosplaying noob that gets one-shot by the boss and leaves you to fight a double HP monstrosity.
More like the faggot posts on the Codex.
 

mediocrepoet

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Some summons do break the game, but there are like 60 of them and only a few are actually broken. Nobody forces you to summon Black Knife Tiche, Luthel the Headless, or the Mimic Tear. Find which summons suit your playstyle and your idea of fun and just use those. A friend of mine loves the Skeletal Militiaman ashes: they constantly attract enemies' aggro but don't deal enough damage to have a big impact on the fight, so he can still face enemies almost fairly but with longer safe windows to heal and attack. So far I've tried them only to see them in action, but I will probably try a semi-pacifist run with a supporting buffer cheering for his spirit summons.

You should try the Crystalian sometime. It's basically invincible unless the enemy has strike damage, but doesn't do much of anything.
There are some really good summon ashes, but Crystalian is pretty much my favourite if I'm just trying to power through something. Just watch though, because the few things that can hurt it basically make it explode immediately.
 

Zed Duke of Banville

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Managed to find the Green Turtle Talisman fairly quickly:

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As per usual, Jose takes too long to make his points. As a non-FroSo fan, I found most of the time he was referencing the previous games useless. Elden Ring has outsold the entire series, you have to look at this game with fresh eyes IMO. One thing I noticed about his Boss Design segment, is that he doesn't use jump attacks much. He doesn't even jump over the rings in the Elden Beast fight. I found the unga bunga strat of mindlessly spamming jumping R2 into the boss would work wonders for me, since it has i-frames too and could sometimes poise break the boss out of his 20-hit combo. The long combos are definitely gay and I can see how a regular melee build would have trouble with dealing with them.

Personally, they don't bother me anymore. I'm never playing this game ever again without Greatshield and/or a Summon.

On the topic of Summons that aren't too invasive: IMO Latenna is king. She never moves (unless there is wolf she can charm, but that's giga rare) and she won't take aggro easily, but she can shoot very far. If you're a proper melee chad, she'll amount to additional dps and that's it.
 

Strange Fellow

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
Those fat fuckers in the sewers have got the exact same grab attack as the hippos in Dark Souls 2. Remember, the one that everyone hated? Seriously, it's 2022, how is this still allowed?

No, listen! I hate grab attacks THIS much
 

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The only part of this I agreed much with was the stagnancy on the combat system as compared to Sekiro, which I already alluded to earlier in this thread. He makes too many histrionic statements in this video. While it took me 200 hours to do one playthrough of Elden Ring since release, he apparently played through Elden Ring multiple times and couple of the Dark Souls games and also revisited Sekiro and Bloodborne in that same time frame. And he wants to say Elden Ring ruined him on the series? He's exponentially more obsessed with it than 99% of people.
Joseph Anderson is a man best ingested in very small doses. The guy is the definition of a "ultra neet". Yes, he is married and yes he has (three I think?) kids but still somehow spends ungodly amounts of time on video games. So much that he makes lazy college students look like casuals.

As a direct consequence his views on most games are rather warped into utter extremes where he will grind out the Chalice dungeons to completion right after unlocking them and then tells you Bloodborne is not that hard after you basically outleveled all the content threefold. But its OK because he started a new character after beating the game (and all the chalice dungeons) that he did not overlevel to hell and back and "sees how some of the game could be a bit more difficult without the overleveling".
I watch him purely for the entertainment value and the occasional salient point but for the most part he is not much better than Noah.
 
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Lyric Suite

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I'm power stancing two Bandit's Curved Sword

Wait, how did you get that on a new character? I spent hours trying to farm this thing and only got a single drop in Sage's cave. Best Curved Sword in the game, pain in the ass to get it to actually drop.

Got them both from a skelly next to the Church of Pilgrimage. Took me about 10 minutes maybe i got lucky?

Of course i don't have enough materials to get them both upgraded lmao. The +3 smithing stones are an absolute bitch to farm (while the +4 drop everywhere, fancy that), i'm almost tempted to make a bee line to the ball bearing +2 as in an hour i got like 8, which is ridicolous.
 

Ravielsk

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Some summons do break the game
That is a edge that cuts both ways. The game is in many places already broken and the summons simply compensate for that but that is it. They only appear broken because the game is far too focused on screwing with the player and as a result when you throw in an AI companion that does not give a fuck(mainly because they do not die in two hits) the whole thing just collapses. When your AI is so focused on reading player button inputs then removing those inputs just cripples it and that is entirely on From not on the player.
 

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Those fat fuckers in the sewers have got the exact same grab attack as the hippos in Dark Souls 2. Remember, the one that everyone hated? Seriously, it's 2022, how is this still allowed?

No, listen! I hate grab attacks THIS much

That's just based on realism. Hippos can flip boats over with little effort so they can probably do devastating grab attacks as well. I can't speak for the fat sewer fucks because those are mythological creatures.
 

Steezus

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Those fat fuckers in the sewers have got the exact same grab attack as the hippos in Dark Souls 2. Remember, the one that everyone hated? Seriously, it's 2022, how is this still allowed?

No, listen! I hate grab attacks THIS much

The hit box of one single DkS2 hippo grab is the combined size of every fat omen fuck in sewers.
 

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i'm almost tempted to make a bee line to the ball bearing +2 as in an hour i got like 8

Don't do it fam, the [2] Bell Bearing is in Altus Plateau, so it's one hell of a "beeline". The odd thing about ER upgrade system is that Somber stones are much easier to come across, so using a Somber upgraded weapon (eg: Moonveil) means you can max it out much earlier. IIRC Raya Lucaria has a bunch of [3] and [4] stones, no?

Those fat fuckers in the sewers

Yet another "mob that is actually a fucking boss". Srsly, this crap is a ER exclusive, previous titles didn't suffer this much HP and damage bloat on REGULAR enemies. And those Abductor virgins in Volcano Manor (legacy dungeon) are beyond stupid. They have easily more than 10k HP, total bullshit.

Difficulty-wise, if Margit is a 6 and Morgott a 6.5, Malenia is a 10.

I found Morgott to be easier than Margit, simply because I could brute force my way through him easily. I think Morgott is the "turning point" on ER's power curve. Everything that comes after him feels incredibly cheap and bullshit bloated, whereas Morgott can easily become a pushover if your lvl and weapon upgrade are high enough.
 

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Many times during the game I wished for some counter-play to grabs besides just rolling away. Like throwing an explosive pot inside that Ulcerated Spirit's gaping maw.
 
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It's funny how some people say "Elden Ring is so easy", while others say "ER is insanely difficult". Until you realize that the former are playing with summons, OP weapons/builds, after following streamers'/online guides, etc, while the latter are trying to play it like an actual aRPG.
Nice coping mechanism, Porky. Nice coping mechanism.

The only coping mechanism I see around here is you desperately trying to respond negatively to every one of my glorious posts. Because I live rent free in your tiny head. You quote me in your signature, you just HAVE to respond to everything I say. The butthurt must run deep indeed. Just like Zed Doink of Banville has to negatively rate everything I say because I embarrassed his tastes in literature and games. Whereas I couldn't care less about either of your posts if I tried. :smug: But carry on, you amuse me.

I'm the lead general of the "Elden Ring is so easy" brigade and I've played my entire first playthrough with a claymore. Zero summons or online guides, and I would sooner have sex with a thousand rustys than watch a streamer even for a second.

Post a video of fighting some tough boss with some identifying info. Never saw you do that in any FS game. My guess is that's because you cheese the fights. No one who brags so much about how easy stuff is could actually have any skill, my see-through friend. ;)
 

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Fuck Joseph anderson and every other youtuber like him. I hate those analysis/criticism videos that last 35893 hours long. Their lack of synthesis is incredible.
 
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I will fight you both at the same time in a real fight.

That would be the same as fighting me, as NJCluck is some tiny manlet from Italy. And I would use your head as a cheeseburger. Don't ever mess with someone who spars with Quadruple Quarter-pounders for a living.
 

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