SumDrunkGuy
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Yep it's a trip. Should win Codex's prestigious RPGOTY award by a landslide. If it doesn't then everybody here is fucked in the head and just jealous of From Software's superiority at everything.
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From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM
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Yep it's a trip. Should win Codex's prestigious RPGOTY award by a landslide. If it doesn't then everybody here is fucked in the head and just jealous of From Software's superiority at everything.
Andnjord
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It really does depend on the enemy. Take the Bell Bearing Hunter for example. He has two combos that can be parried. One starts with a swing from his right side that's heavily delayed (which I find is the hardest to get right), and the other one starts with a swing from his left side that is much faster but I find easier to parry due to being a case of 'arm moves=press L2 almost instantly for success'. Two moves, easy to tell appart and very different from the rest of his moveset.
Meanwhile the standard spear and shield mook I find infuriating to parry, his main spear thrust is nigh on impossible to parry in time due to how fast it comes out (it's just too fast for my brain to have the time to see what's coming, decide if it's the fast or slow attack, then press L2; only works if I press L2 the moment I see a muscle twitch on him, but then who knos if it was the correct move), and the slower one is just fast enough to clip you if you insta pressed L2 thinking it was gonna be his fast move.
You're not so much practicing to improve your general parries as much as practicing to parry one specific enemy at a time. I parry-mastered my way through Magrit with my Samurai Jim-Bob only to utterly fail at parrying a normal mace and shield mook 5 minutes later for example
I've been watching some of Ongbal's ER videos and I'm almost convinced the man is an AI built by Elon Musk purely for the purpose of crushing Souls games. I look at him and it all seems so easy, just like rock paper scissors. Then I have a go and I'm panic rolling as soon as Malenia lifts her sword up. Sometimes you just gotta accept, there are people that can play so much better than you.
Andnjord
Arcane
I find his stuff oddly relaxing to watch. Everything is smooth, calculated, precise. There's no panic, no over or under extension. T'is beautiful to see.
Also really useful whenever I'm asking myself "can this guy actually be paried?"
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Old Hans
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yea ill fuck up a couple times with parry master dream and just be like "fuck this parry master crap" then ill go get the scarlet rot dragon breath and kill a dragon while I hide in the bushes
Andnjord
Arcane
Well dragons can't be parried to begin with, so I'll say that it still counts as parry mastering them
Old Hans
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yea I should have used a better example. none the less I always feel really guilty after, cause I keep telling myself "I will not use this dragon breath again. it feels so cheap." although I have no problem using rot pots. im just like "well you sorta have to work for it and I have to craft them. thats hard work"Well dragons can't be parried to begin with, so I'll say that it still counts as parry mastering them
Of note is that he does it with a weapon parry. Those are significantly harder to pull off than any of the shield parries.
I tried using the wakizashi as a parry tool because it looks cool... but looking cool is all it does, you need to be a parrygod to use this shiet, I prefer golden parry on a shield :>
Andnjord
Arcane
Due to how vulnerable dragon breaths leave you during their insanely long casting time, I'd say they're less cheap than rot pots. Now, if you're using dragon breath AND a summon that's another story (not that I didn't do that against Moggyea I should have used a better example. none the less I always feel really guilty after, cause I keep telling myself "I will not use this dragon breath again. it feels so cheap." although I have no problem using rot pots. im just like "well you sorta have to work for it and I have to craft them. thats hard work"Well dragons can't be parried to begin with, so I'll say that it still counts as parry mastering them
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Old Hans
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summons? I never heard of those things. especially not the group with tower shields
illuknisaa
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Fun fact, did you guys know that Malenia is in fact NOT immune to Scarlet Rot? She's just very resistant to it, took me three (or was it four?) full casts of Ezekyel's Breath on her face before the rot would stick. Combined with the fact that during her first phase she only slowly walks around if you don't attack her, there is a world where you could potentially cheese her that way
Yes, I do like to test stupid shit when learning a major boss, helps me keep my sanity.
I learned this too after I poked her a couple of times with rot rapier.
Fun fact, did you guys know that Malenia is in fact NOT immune to Scarlet Rot? She's just very resistant to it, took me three (or was it four?) full casts of Ezekyel's Breath on her face before the rot would stick. Combined with the fact that during her first phase she only slowly walks around if you don't attack her, there is a world where you could potentially cheese her that way
Yes, I do like to test stupid shit when learning a major boss, helps me keep my sanity.
I learned this too after I poked her a couple of times with rot rapier.
You could've at least showered first.
KeighnMcDeath
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I thought I'd take a break from shitposting to do some co-op and show you noobs how it's done.
I am in no way affiliated with the player in this video.
illuknisaa
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Fun fact, did you guys know that Malenia is in fact NOT immune to Scarlet Rot? She's just very resistant to it, took me three (or was it four?) full casts of Ezekyel's Breath on her face before the rot would stick. Combined with the fact that during her first phase she only slowly walks around if you don't attack her, there is a world where you could potentially cheese her that way
Yes, I do like to test stupid shit when learning a major boss, helps me keep my sanity.
I learned this too after I poked her a couple of times with rot rapier.
You could've at least showered first.
Soap doesn't help with Rot buildup.
Bigg Boss
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Dragon Breath (whichever one) is the perfect attack to use through a door when PVP guys are being gay.Due to how vulnerable dragon breaths leave you during their insanely long casting time, I'd say they're less cheap than rot pots. Now, if you're using dragon breath AND a summon that's another story (not that I didn't do that against Moggyea I should have used a better example. none the less I always feel really guilty after, cause I keep telling myself "I will not use this dragon breath again. it feels so cheap." although I have no problem using rot pots. im just like "well you sorta have to work for it and I have to craft them. thats hard work"Well dragons can't be parried to begin with, so I'll say that it still counts as parry mastering them
PorkyThePaladin
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I have the same experience parrying those guys. FS are bitches for animating their fast attack in like 2 frames. That's not an animation, it's pure bullshit.
You're not so much practicing to improve your general parries as much as practicing to parry one specific enemy at a time. I parry-mastered my way through Magrit with my Samurai Jim-Bob only to utterly fail at parrying a normal mace and shield mook 5 minutes later for example
And that's why Elden Ring combat is a dumpster fire. Obviously it's better than shit like Skyrim combat, but overall, it's really not well designed.
Imagine if RL martial arts or combat skills worked like this. A black belt would die to some noob whose skills he has never seen before, every single time.
They do this to keep combat difficulty hard throughout the game, but it's the cheapest, worst way to do it. A much better way would've been similar to Mount & Blade: Warband or Kingdom Come: Deliverance combat, where after you understood it well, you really felt like a melee badass. And if they wanted to keep it challenging throughout, they could just introduce enemies that were a bit better at it, like slightly higher attack speed, better blocking, etc, instead of bullshit moves every time.
Another example of how contrived the challenge in ER is: I am in Aeonion Swamp now, and this asshole Milicent invades. He is not tough to deal with himself, except the place where he invades is covered in rot inducing water, and when he invades, another 2 assholes spawn nearby and gangbang you. And of course he also has some bs attack where once he gets going, if you don't step back in time, he launches into a 20 attack spin-cycle. I died 2-3 times already, because either the spawned ads or the rot damage get me while im busy with him. But this is such contrived bs, it's not even funny.
I have the same experience parrying those guys. FS are bitches for animating their fast attack in like 2 frames. That's not an animation, it's pure bullshit.
You're not so much practicing to improve your general parries as much as practicing to parry one specific enemy at a time. I parry-mastered my way through Magrit with my Samurai Jim-Bob only to utterly fail at parrying a normal mace and shield mook 5 minutes later for example
And that's why Elden Ring combat is a dumpster fire. Obviously it's better than shit like Skyrim combat, but overall, it's really not well designed.
Imagine if RL martial arts or combat skills worked like this. A black belt would die to some noob whose skills he has never seen before, every single time.
They do this to keep combat difficulty hard throughout the game, but it's the cheapest, worst way to do it. A much better way would've been similar to Mount & Blade: Warband or Kingdom Come: Deliverance combat, where after you understood it well, you really felt like a melee badass. And if they wanted to keep it challenging throughout, they could just introduce enemies that were a bit better at it, like slightly higher attack speed, better blocking, etc, instead of bullshit moves every time.
Another example of how contrived the challenge in ER is: I am in Aeonion Swamp now, and this asshole Milicent invades. He is not tough to deal with himself, except the place where he invades is covered in rot inducing water, and when he invades, another 2 assholes spawn nearby and gangbang you. And of course he also has some bs attack where once he gets going, if you don't step back in time, he launches into a 20 attack spin-cycle. I died 2-3 times already, because either the spawned ads or the rot damage get me while im busy with him. But this is such contrived bs, it's not even funny.
Millicent is a she that's a lady
Bigg Boss
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The only thing I don't like about the combat tbh is attacks going through walls. I seem to recall people talking big about Dark Souls being so real because swords scraped off the walls. Well what happened? I want walls to act like walls. Patch that in assholes. I'm not even mad I just want a world that makes sense that is kinda like this game. Like that one video where they placed a giant hole in the ground then when you go under there they obviously did not account for that in the world design they just put it there to look pretty.
Also I hear some people whining about really easy fights. DID YOU GUYS NOT USE SUMMONS AND ITEMS OR SOMETHING?
Also I hear some people whining about really easy fights. DID YOU GUYS NOT USE SUMMONS AND ITEMS OR SOMETHING?
Andnjord
Arcane
I had no idea she could invade you. Are you sure that's the correct NPC name you're thinking about? But thanks for reminding me of her, I had forgotten I still needed to finish her quest.
*checks wiki for the next stage.
*"She will not move from this spot until the player has defeated the nearby Ulcerated Tree Spirit mini-boss." That's the one inside a scarlet rot pit that I noped out from earlier on.
Oh no...no...Nooooooo!
Myasaky-san, why do you do this to me
To be fair, in regards to that specific enemy it's one of those moment when you realise you don't need to parry everyone that can be, not when you can just use a charged R2 and break their shield guard instantly, they're passive enough they let you do it. Now, the spear and shield knights, THAT's another problem, but at least it feels more legit that they're tougher.
They're not FP efficient, but damn do they slap hard if you need something dead quick. Also longer range unlike the madness fire spell.
perfectslumbers
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Enemy attacks in Souls games always went through walls. It's been an issue with the series since day 1 since the player has to think carefully about which moves to use to not bounce off of walls
Correct_Carlo
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I've been in Elden Ring withdrawl, so I broke down and bought the Souls-like, Mortal Shell on a key trading site.
Will it prove as good as Elden Ring? Only time will tell. However, the outlook is positive!
Will it prove as good as Elden Ring? Only time will tell. However, the outlook is positive!
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