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Now guys I'm playing almost completely blindly, but I'm getting a lil too old for this shit in one aspect: time I have for gaming. Thankfully I'm going through ER with my wife and it's actually a nice way to spend evenings. But I won't be able to figure out some stuff on my own surely, just because I took a wrong turn somewhere despite not knowing there even was a turn to make (which is, of course, the true Souls fashion). So I need from you guys one piece of information: In eastern Lurnia there's some 'Study Tower' which includes a pedestal on which 'something fits', something I do not have. Then there is the big chamber in which blue ghost pussies poke at you with their laughable weapons and one wizard tries to kill you with missiles. I killed them all. However, I see no way to lower the staircase near the ceiling. Tell me this: does this require putting some item on the pedestal? 'Yes' / 'no' will suffice. Thanks in advance.

It's related to a side quest that unlocks a full new area. Unlike some of the other quests, this one is worth trying not to miss, even if the "final" item you get is pointless.

BTW, when i first saw Ranni i actually had my jimmies rustled because she looked so animu. I thought, fuck, they finally went there.

In reality she looks like that because she is literally a puppet doll lmao. My bad for jumping the gun.

Did she ever explain why she chose a doll rather than something more durable? Seems weird to have these invulnerable items and seemingly immortal, invulnerable beings around that she could swap bodies with but she chose a fragile toy.

I have long since given up thinking "logic" matters when From is following the rule of "cool" and doesn't care for anything making sense.

The only reason Ranni is a doll is so they can have that cool cinematic at the end of the quest and make all the weeb nerds sperg about their favored waifu.
 
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It's related to a side quest that unlocks a full new area. Unlike some of the other quests, this one is worth trying not to miss, even if the "final" item you get is pointless.

BTW, when i first saw Ranni i actually had my jimmies rustled because she looked so animu. I thought, fuck, they finally went there.

In reality she looks like that because she is literally a puppet doll lmao. My bad for jumping the gun.

No, she really is full animu, not just her design.
There is a point at which she tells you about how she cares about her subordinates and feels guilty to have them work for her and implies you might be among these now and the second dialogue you get after that one she goes all "I spoke too much, forget about it" literal textbook tsundere the whole character is written to act high and mighty but look underneath all that there is some sweetness! I've never seen a more anime character in a From game before.
 

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Watch me learn a mob's attack pattern in real time:



I'm sure those guys are just regular mobs you meet later as usual, but this fight was only hard (so to speak, this was my second try) because of the amount of damage those guys do, which i guess is what everybody is complaining about when it comes to "late" game areas (which i assume is what Dragonbarrow is).


If there's one thing to complain about that fight, it's the absurd amount of souls they give you. 65 000 souls for a crappy duo mob fight while Radahn, a major boss in the 'same' area gives 70 000? Really goes to show how wonky the scaling is between main Caelid and Dragonbarrow.
Just forget about it and grind runes on the ghost guys a few times before you move on. The boss doesn't respawn but they do. If you lower the elevators behind you and fast travel back down you can get a couple of well deserved levels for your trouble going through that bullshit fight.
If you really want to grind souls at that point you could also just put your summon sign in front of Rennala. 10 000 souls for a free win that takes a couple of minutes, where somehow you get constantly summoned AND gives you Rune Arcs? Way more efficient, and you also get to help some poor soul who was struggling!
 

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The only reason Ranni is a doll is so they can have that cool cinematic at the end of the quest and make all the weeb nerds sperg about their favored waifu.
The only reason Ranni is a doll is that Miyazaki (or someone else at FS) has a weird fascination with the concept of dolls. They aren't as omnipresent as poison swamps, but are still pretty frequent in these games. Demon's Souls has the Fool's Idol, a four-armed doll that drops the Doll Demon's Soul. Dark Souls has the Peculiar Doll. In Dark Souls 2 there's Ornifex who is obsessed with dolls for some reason. Bloodborne has a doll as its maiden. Dark Souls 3 has the Small Doll item. Sekiro is the only doll-less game, unless you count the giant straw doll that brings you to the Fountainhead Palace.
 

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The most disappointing thing about Dragonbarrow is that the huge ass mama dragon doesn't do anything. Not that i wanted to fight something that big when even the regular dreagons feel janky as fuck, but really, just poke her from behind out of reach of her attack?
 

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The most disappointing thing about Dragonbarrow is that the huge ass mama dragon doesn't do anything. Not that i wanted to fight something that big when even the regular dreagons feel janky as fuck, but really, just poke her from behind out of reach of her attack?
The legit way is to kill all the baby ones in front of her. When you kill the last one she cries in agony, vanishes and you get her souls.
 

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I'm level 95 and I just fought the Godskin noble at the Liurnia tower and beat him after a very long encounter. I have no idea when people normally fight him, but I seemed WAY under levelled for that fight. I actually couldn't use my shield in the fight because he broke my guard in seconds, and I had no idea how to avoid his rolling move. I just dodge rolled his spells and sword attacks, picked my shots, and used flasks when he rolled over me. When I could I hid in the alcoves to avoid his rolling.

If he had a weakness I didn't find it. I just wore his health bar down millimeter by millimeter by using light taps with my sword and lighting bolts.

Near the end I ran out of flasks and he still had about 1.5 cm left so I figured out how to cheese him to get the win. He disappears when you go by the door near the site of grace. So I realized I could use ranged to hurt him then retreat if he came close enough to engage me in melee again. He stayed at his end, trying to bait me away from safety so he could roll on me. I wasn't having it. I used my light crossbow +13, which outranges all spells and even can hit beyond lock distance when targeted manually. Whenever he started approaching I backed off to just outside lock range, and he'd hurl a spell that would fall short then back up again. I love my light crossbow. I took 12 STR just so I could have that and it has repaid that investment a hundredfold.

All that for 4800 runes and some hideous robes. I should have just run past him lol but I was proud to get the win.
 

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I was a lot lower level than you were but bleed made short order of him. Bleed is broken in general but with that guy it was ridicolous.

I didn't record it because since he had no boss bar i didn't think of it. Then you meet the same guy as a boss in a church in Volcano Manor lmao, an easier fight than the one in Liurnia since you can hide behind columns and shit.

And yes, i know about the Godskin duo fight lul i'll definitely record that one. Have half a mind of not using bleed even though on the flamberge it feels less broken than my dual swords.
 
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WTF, i got summoned in Dragonbarrow for the Erdree guy, and the host stood by doing nothing while i soloed the boss. After i killed him, he clapped and said hi.

I mean...
 

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On a positive note, i helped a guy through most of the Volcano Manor dungeon and at the end of it before the Godskin fatso fog he dropped a golden thingy level 10. Hahaha, dude.
 

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So let me get this straight: you had to resort to cheese to beat all the tough fights (like all the rest of us), and you STILL think it's a masterpiece? Good god man... no wonder From Software keeps getting away with this decline shit...

I resorted to using the Mimic Tear on the second phase of Malenia, and I used it on the second phase of Mohg and for the entirety of the the Godskin Duo in Farum Azula after dying once, as far as major bosses go. I don't know if those comprise the consensus on the only three tough fights in the game, but those are the ones I struggled with and opted for help with. I don't play online whatsoever and I made it a point to not use the summons unless I felt utterly overwhelmed; with repeat bosses in dungeons I occasionally used them to hurry things up. Maliketh I beat without summons, which was very difficult for me but not impossible, and the final three bosses were relatively easy by myself without dying at all, the Elden Beast in particular was significantly less challenging than the dragons at Moonlight Altar and only felt challenging because I'd used most of my flasks during Radagon because of his AOE attacks. The three Ulcerated Tree Spirits where you find the Erdtree's Favor +2 were difficult and the Caelid Death Rite Bird was the hardest one for me, but I don't think you even have the option to use summons in those instances (I didn't, at any rate) and only the bird killed me multiple times.

Milenia had been built up in my mind from what I'd read online as an untouchable force of super-nature so I jumped the gun when her second phase hit, for which I acknowledged my regret; in retrospect I could absolutely have done it on my own, and I don't consider myself very good at these games, the only other series of action games I'm even familiar with are Monster Hunter and only the older titles. The game is a masterpiece to me not because of the boss fights but because of the mythopoeia and archetypal imagery derived from alchemy and metallurgy, the gorgeous presentation of the varied environments, and the possibilities of different builds and approaches to the games challenges. I do thoroughly enjoy the combat though and am of the opinion that the difficulty is way, way overexaggerated. It is only difficult if you react emotionally lose concentration, become impatient, or are severely under-levelled. I finished the game using primarily power stance greatswords, a Claymore and the Gargoyle's Black Blade, the Veteran's Armor set with the exception of Bull-Goat Greaves for the extra Poise, and talismans rotated by circumstance but usually including the Erdtree's Favor and the Bull-Goat. I'm playing it again as of last week and am so far not using summons and having a great time.
 

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I think she is the apex of the game and one of the best Souls bosses.

She is the apex of bad design for a boss encounter.

The fight is trivial with summons, heavy weapons or poison/rot/bleed builds. The fight is absurd with low vigor, low damage and no summons. There is no middle ground in the fight: it's either easy or hard.

I don't think you've learned shit while fighting her. At best you learned how to avoid her attacks but whatever shit you think you've learned it's completely inconsequential to the rest of the boss fights.

Sekiro was not perfect but at least you were engaged in a duel with the bosses (most of the time). Without learning to parry Malenia is a cartoon fight were she chases you for several minutes. Complete garbage.

While I don't really agree with the general sentiment or wording here, I do think the highlighted part hits the nail on the head. The problem with Malenia - and most other bosses in ER - is that you only really learn to fight her by fighting her; meaning her specific movesets, attack delays, combos and general bullshittery. Then you move on to a new boss where you, again, have to learn a very specific moveset unique to that boss which can't really be applied to any other opponent, and so on and so on. There's no room for intuiting the fight, only for memorization, and this is what separates ER from earlier FromSoft titles.

I have only played Demon's Souls, Nioh, Dark Souls 2, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring but I think Elden Ring is EXACTLY like all the other games and people are waaaaay too autistic about the shitty boss fights in the series. Hey guys did you know that none of the boss fights in any of these games are that great since the moveset is so limited?


On a positive note, i helped a guy through most of the Volcano Manor dungeon and at the end of it before the Godskin fatso fog he dropped a golden thingy level 10. Hahaha, dude.

I never had a random guy drop anything for me but people are also at the point in the game now where they can give away 1 million runes and it won't matter.
 

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WTF, i got summoned in Dragonbarrow for the Erdree guy, and the host stood by doing nothing while i soloed the boss. After i killed him, he clapped and said hi.

I mean...
I wish my hosts would have done that, not a single one of them ever managed to survive that fight, even when using Shabriri's Woe :negative:
 

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I was a lot lower level than you were but bleed made short order of him. Bleed is broken in general but with that guy it was ridicolous.

I didn't record it because since he had no boss bar i didn't think of it. Then you meet the same guy as a boss in a church in Volcano Manor lmao, an easier fight than the one in Liurnia since you can hide behind columns and shit.

And yes, i know about the Godskin duo fight lul i'll definitely record that one. Have half a mind of not using bleed even though on the flamberge it feels less broken than my dual swords.

Regardless of how broken bleed is you must be pretty good to have gotten enough unpunished hits on him to trigger the bleeding. I have to carefully set up every stab and shot. Combos were unthinkable because he was too fast and aggressive and I couldn't stagger him. Lots of dodge rolling, wait until he attacks then stab/slash/shoot once. Recommence dodge rolling. No way I could have triggered a status effect.

I think I need to get my damage up. I've been doing decent or good damage against every boss I've fought but that guy was ridiculous.
 

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I was using dual bleed curved swords then. Would probably be harder with my Flamberge to proc any bleed but it did happen several times when i was doing co-op in the church of Volcano Manor.
 

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I was a lot lower level than you were but bleed made short order of him. Bleed is broken in general but with that guy it was ridicolous.

I didn't record it because since he had no boss bar i didn't think of it. Then you meet the same guy as a boss in a church in Volcano Manor lmao, an easier fight than the one in Liurnia since you can hide behind columns and shit.

And yes, i know about the Godskin duo fight lul i'll definitely record that one. Have half a mind of not using bleed even though on the flamberge it feels less broken than my dual swords.

Regardless of how broken bleed is you must be pretty good to have gotten enough unpunished hits on him to trigger the bleeding. I have to carefully set up every stab and shot. Combos were unthinkable because he was too fast and aggressive and I couldn't stagger him. Lots of dodge rolling, wait until he attacks then stab/slash/shoot once. Recommence dodge rolling. No way I could have triggered a status effect.

I think I need to get my damage up. I've been doing decent or good damage against every boss I've fought but that guy was ridiculous.
The first time I faced the Godskin Noble I hated it with all my heart. His combos felt endless and his recovery times too short. My problem was that I went in charging head-down, without thinking about what I was doing. His combos ARE endless, but all his attacks have very clear and telegraphed tells (with the sole exception of the "black flame" belly bounce that has a very short startup animation, but thankfully it barely deals any damage), which means that you just need to parry the moves you feel comfortable with to interrupt him and deal a big chunk of damage. Most players simply ignore parrying, but it's a fundamental tools that can make many fights much easier, especially in ER where ashes of war give super-lenient parry timings even with a medium shield.

Here's my last encounter with that guy, in my current RL1 playthrough:



And one last thing:

Regardless of how broken bleed is you must be pretty good to have gotten enough unpunished hits on him to trigger the bleeding.
You're just underestimating how effective bleed is against enemies that are weak to it (and, honestly, everyone in general). You can see that I'm proccing the status effect after 6 hits without any investment in Arcane, with optimized bleed builds you just need a single jumping L1 to proc it.
 

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I'm so itching to do a SL1 run but i'll probably be way too burned out after i finish this one to try it right away.
 

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I'm so itching to do a SL1 run but i'll probably be way too burned out after i finish this one to try it right away.
ER is a weird game for SL1 runs. The game gives you so many tools that you basically end up with a regular character with access to mostly everything in the game, but with just 600-700 HP. Basically, I got to experience how people who don't level up Vigor played the game. It's harsh, but the "everything one-shots you" is just a meme. I'm in Leyndell and I can still tank hits with heavy armor.
 

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I've been watching some RL1 all rememberances speedruns, and the Serpent Hunter damage with some buffs like golden bow, and flask is STUPID. And with base vigor guys can take at least 1 hit from most bosses (if not all) while wearing Carian armor.
 

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I was messing around with my first character save last night, which I copied to have a backup right at the end of the game before going into new game plus in order to be able to access the state of the world at that point. Since it is my first and main character, I made it a point to try and get at least one of every item in the entire game, and I have almost everything that is known of at this point, except for a few armor set pieces and a handful of weapons (like the straight sword that the eagles drop at Stormveil, need to grip one next time I play it). On this copy of the save I levelled extremely high so that I'd be able to use every weapon and am getting very close; at level 223 the stats are (with Marika's Soreseal) at: 60 VIG - 16 (21) MND - 50 END - 60 STR - 50 DEX - 18 (23) INT - 33 (38) FTH - 15 (20) ARC. Wearing a combination of the Veteran's Set and the Bull-Goat Greaves, and using the Bull-Goat talisman, puts poise at something like 113 (or it could be 108, I can't remember off the top of my head), and with power stance greatswords I can attack through a fair amount of hits and only seem to regularly get knocked down by colossal weapons or boss special attacks. The only human-sized enemy melee attacks that stagger me are colossal and great swords (like the Mausoleum Knights that wield them all over Deeproot Depths) and ranged attacks from bows and crossbows. Frost and Rot still completely fuck me up if I'm slow and get caught up in a AOE of them.

Anyway as I was messing around last night checking out which dropped armor or weapons I'd missed it occurred to me that I was missing the Albinauric Bow and two pieces of that blue chain armor, so I headed out to the Inner Consecrated Snowfield site to farm the two on wolves and five on the ground that are spread out before Ordina Liturgical Town. At that high level, with a near maximal amount of poise (at least effectively), and a leftover Morgott's Great Rune putting my health bar over an inch to the right of the center of the compass, I lost over a million runes trying to farm them for the missing gear. I forgot how fucking insane those things are. Fighting one of the wolf-back archers with its backup wolf is one thing, and not overly difficult if your focused and patient, but I caught the attention of the second one with its attendant white wolf, and the one sitting on the ground with her multiple wolves. I went to do a jumping L1 with my Claymore and my Sacred Relic Sword and next thing I know I'm being smashed around left and right repeatedly, being loaded with arrows while the wolves take turns lunging all up in my grill. I died so fast I didn't even process what had just happened, and there was nothing I could think to do in the moment, I was just completely caught with no means of escape. I couldn't even manage to two-hand my Claymore which has Bloodhound Step for emergencies because I was stun-locked to death. Then, I went to recover my runes, popped another Morgott's because I was just taught a lesson but had it in my mind that this was just a fluke, that I can roll back there and grab my runes and get my revenge one by one, and it happened again, lol. At that point a million plus runes isn't even a big deal but it made me laugh at how overwhelming my beatdown was because I'd gotten lazy and thought I was unstoppable.

Once I accepted the loss and became determined to farm the bow and the remaining armor pieces, I put on my Rotten Winged Sword Insignia and my Silver Scarab talisman, took one last Morgott's (I have like 60 Rune Arcs and play the game entirely offline, I rarely actually use them) and just before attacking the first wolf-back archer, I downed a Wonderous Physick with the Opaline Bubbletear and the Thorny Cracked Tear, slapped on a Golden Vow incantation, snatched up a Flame Grant Me Strength incantation, pulled my Claymore back out and went to town on them. It took 8 instances of killing all 7 of them and their wolves to complete the missing armor pieces, and I ended up with 4 of the bows. Each round was troublesome, there just doesn't seem to be a good way to take them on without getting hit a bunch of times, especially by the arrows combo and then the magic arrows combo; the only easy ones are the two sitting down relatively isolated if you get the jump on them, and then with the three on the opposite cliffside you can knock the lower one down the cliff and jump down to finish it where the two above can't reach you and the wolves take the long way around. Those things are seriously the only enemies left that pose a challenge for this particular character, and its really only because of the way they are grouped deceptively together.

On my new game plus save I'm still trying out different builds before I commit to one and begin to make actual progress, but I can't make up my mind. I thought a cool armor set up for my character that I think I've settled on is the Nights Calvary Armor with the long black cape, the Royal Knight Greaves (the intricately engraved ones that Loretta wears), Blaidd's Gauntlets, and either the Bandit Mask or the Iron Kasa from Yura. To me it looks awesome, but I'd gotten used to having maximal poise and need to practice to adapt to a less aggressive style. My second favorite power stance setup is the Godskin Stitcher and Great Epee (which I love to wield while wearing Lionel's Set), and I also like to use Bloodhound's Fang or Morgott's Cursed Sword with the Icon Shield. I have a whole bunch of weapons across most classes, both somber and otherwise, either fully upgraded or at the second to the last tier, like Giant Crusher and Axe of Godfrey, the Halo and the Winged Scythes, the Bloodhound Claws, Maliketh's Black Blade and Godslayer's Great Sword, Commander's Standard and Nightrider Glaive, the Lance, Nagakiba, Hand of Malenia and Serpentbone Blade, multiple great swords, &c. The only approach that I am weak in is Sorcery; my intelligence is high enough to wield almost all of the weapons that require it except for a few like the Dark Moon Greatsword, but I'm not sure I would actually enjoy a Sorcery-focused character. Some of the spell casting animations are fantastic and I really like the appearance of many of the armor sets and staves, but I can't help but feel the urge to get up close and engage with enemies physically. I suppose I could look into bumping up Arcane and Intelligence and use the infamous katanas or even twinblades but, I don't know.. Whatever I end up settling on for the time being, I'm sure it will be fun, I really love this game and can't even remember the last time I maintained more than one save on a game simultaneously, or even attempted a new game plus.
 
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BROS MORE RANDOM SHIT TAKES

FINISHED GAME AND RESTARTED NEW CHARACTER STILL HAVING FUN

GOING TWO HANDED INSTEAD OF SWORD AND BORED AND IT WORKS WELL THE ONLY OTHER SOULS GAME I TWO HANDED WAS DS2

WAS A FAITH MELEE LAST TIME NOW IM MAGIC MELEE AND MAY THINK ABOUT RESPEC TO PURE CASTER OR INTEL ARCANE BUILD DONT KNOW

STARTED AS THE WRETCH THIS TIME AND IT WAS VERY FUN TO VERY SLOWLY GET WEAPONS AND CLOTHES
 

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I wasn't gonna do it as i figured one of them would have been janky enough in such a crammed space, but my friends asked for it:



Sure enough, at some point one of them fell through some crack which fucked up my whole momentum. I was almost about to leave to restart it but then he came back lmao.

I'm in the capital outskirts now i hope i'm gonna start seeing some actual final bosses here.
 

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