Dark Souls 2 gets to have the excuse that they swapped the director mid development and the resulting game is just a cobbled together from what was done at the time of the swap.
This is literally Polygon level o bullshit, you just make up those things as you go in your rant. In early stage of development Bloodborne was named "Project Beast" and it supposed to be a kind of different story. Concept have changed, which is common in in early stages and Old Ones kicked in. You just took a pinacle of FS enviromental story telling and shit on it without a reason like a toested climate activist. Beast are people was a minor twist, Djura was a minor NPC and your rant about how they published a game around those concepts, cut important pieces giving nothing in return and somehow pretend it's still whole package makes me think you are either mentally disturbed or retarded. I'm not a doctor but it looks like some kind of persecution mania, you making similar shit up about SoE also, those things do not exist.
What's the evidence against the shamans? I must have missed that.
6th archstone in Demon's souls also says hi.
Like this defense of From's last minute lore changes. Often leaving plot lines in the game files but removed from the main game. From Lore constantly changing last second to the writers straight up patching the lore in games you've already bought. The lore community refuses to admit they're staring at static made by people who don't really care that much and insist it's so deep and insightful because youtubers write fanfics.
They make lore that fascinates and engages people. That's the only thing that matters. Everything that is in the game's release is the canon and should be studied, the "last minute changes" are discarded bits and should be forgotten. Simple as that.
He's not completely wrong though, even if exaggerating a bit. BB is my fave but has it's dose of holes too (see Martyr Logarius' model being Pthumerian when the guy was supposedly an Yharnamite executioner). But in the end what matters is how fun and evocative the final product is, and most end up real nice.
You have no idea what is a last minute change and what isn't because you're not on the design team. Your idea means we have to completely ignore all of the DLC lore because the day 1 downloadable patch added in the bubble faggots announcing tranny boy was going to become a new God. So last minute change ended up defining the DLC lore.
Why the fuck would Miquella get himself abducted and transformed into a cocoon if not to become a higher being? Nothing contradicts the base game.
Day 1 Elden Ring patch completely changed a bunch of lore and enemy placements. The idea that bubble guys are announcing a new God was part of that patch and they were added various places around the world.
You simply assume to order of events goes in reverse instead of the current fan consensus:
What's wrong with that? What you described is ambiguity, not bad writing/plot holes.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the "unpatched" version very tough to get and wasn't it limited to a single console, meaning it was an unfinished version of the game, meaning that's the last minute changes that can be ignored?
You didn't give enough evidence in the game, though. From the game, it is evident that the shamans were seen as lower breed, and their meat was good for jars because it melded with other meat easily. It has nothing to do with punishment to Marika, it was their way of creating saints and shaman meat was the focal ingredient for that. Get some lowly shaman, mix it with meat from criminals and heretics and you have yourself a saint.
There's a hospital for the saints in Messmer's castle, where they tried to heal the afflicted, and probably learned how the jars work. In The Lands Between the jars contain dead body of warriors, allowing them to become champions once more, that's why they are connected to the Erd Tree that returns the dead back to life. It's more humane and it is only gross when a sentient jar eats enemies he defeated to become even more stronger. It's a different way of doing it and I could see how Marika would introduce this.
You can buy a copy on console any where even now, you just don't let it patch. It's 'unfinished' but then finishing it is a last minute change.
You are underselling it. From does not even bother removing plot lines from the main game they just leave them there and then just never follow up on them. For that follow up players had to dig into the network test and "alpha"(although that is retarded term to use when the version mechanically and topographically 80% overlaps with the final release but whatever) versions to make sense of the bullshit.
No such statement was made as far as I know and even if it was it would again contradict the story trailers premise of "seduction and betrayal". Who could a "lower breed" Marika seduce or betray to gain godhood if her people were used as fodder for jar saints to a point to where they went extinct?
1.0 version is any console version on the disc, you just turn off the internet and install it from the disc. The day 1 patch basically added nothing critical to beating the game. It reshuffled enemies, stats, items and changed the lore but the game was perfectly beatable and finished.
You get this whip in the Whipping Hut near the Bonny Village (the same village you get the gesture to access the shaman village, so the connection is direct and apparent), where there's also a ghost that says that the only good thing a shaman can do is to get into the jar, nothing more. Can't find the exact dialogue, but it made me feel that shamans were treated very badly, nothing more than a jar fodder.
Yes, and? I never claimed the shamans were never treated badly, that is not even the point I was making. Hell, to even be called shamans, they had to do... well shamanism and they had to do it for an extended period of time to be called that. So obviously they could not have been jar fodder from the start.
That is quite literary true of the entirety of Yharnam. The whole city is overrun specifically because everyone was using the blood. The Old Yharnam is simply the first place where it reached a critical point but that is entirely besides the point.
Telling the truth I never liked that part with Djura, it always seemed a little off and over the top to me if you compare it to the rest of the game, so I didn't pay much attention to him, the more that this encounter is so short. I just can't stop associate that encounter with this scene:
