From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

[TheHeroOfTime]

Little reminder that Elden ring is not Dark souls and you should try everything you find in all situations. You will be surprised of how much weird interactions the game has.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Absolutely. Have you even played Diablo?

Yes, but I've never farmed. I just go through the difficulties until the numbers needed to progress get silly, then I move on.

Well, there you go, you have no frame of reference to understand how bad this system can potentially get.

Farming in FromSoft games is a minor thing by comparison. Random drops is a common mechanic in RPGs and FromSoft just utilized it because it's there and it is part of the genre, but i never felt their implementation was particularly frustrating. It's also not entirely unfun to figure out the best spots or come out with some clever farming route or system. As long as you are not forced to do it constantly just to continue play, which i never felt was the case with FromSoft.

In Dark Souls, i remember farming those worms at the bottom of Blighttown to get those green titanite things, the Dark Knights to get some chunks and those pillars in the Tomb of Giants to get some of those white chunks (i actually devised a cool farming route that was both fast and easy). In all three cases i just did it because i wanted to upgrade more than one weapon and armor (so probably not needed if you are sticking to a favored set up), none of the three sessions took that much time and i never felt frustrated doing it, probably because again it was just a side thing i had to do and wasn't that time consuming or as hard as it can get in Diablo-likes or MMOs. Even in Elden Ring i did farm a bit to get crafting mats when i was doing my SL1 run, before i replaced consumables with spells. Again, it wasn't that bad, farming routes were easy to device and i didn't spend more than 10 minutes at a time.

FromSoft also relies on other mechanics to make rare objects hard to get for the player, which you may or may not find preferable. Titanite Slabs were limited in number and were hidden behind those little invisible and skittish bugs that were often difficult to kill. They put a bunch in one of the most dangerous area to nagivate that is hidden behind a secret. A lot of people probably either missed the area altoghether or couldn't get all the bugs given how complex the layout was (and failure meant instant death). I loved it, because i like games that challenge me. I'm sure some of the usual suspects here screeched and moaned about that too, because looking at those criticisms it feels the general complaint is that FromSoft games are just too inopportune. They require too much forethought and cleverness and talent and commitement and time that's just not what the "regular" player wants. What the regular player seem to want is something that is easy going and comfy, which to me seems to suggest the regular player should perhaps stay clear of FromSoft games altoghether.

 

[abija]

Why would you even bother arguing with a retard that says exploring/learning bosses = grinding?

 

[Grunker]

Who the fuck farms in a FromSoft game. I’m a million years old, have no hands and never played action games before, yet recently completed a few of these games blind, defeating bosses like Malenia. Why the fuck would you waste time farming except if you’re looking for some irrelevant bit of fashion souls equipment

 

[abija]

They're not, just using most retarded arguments in bad faith for some unknown reason.

Like silverfish that quits diablo when gear matters but somehow he "HAS" to farm max upgrades in souls...

 

[ERYFKRAD]

I’m a million years old, have no hands

Oi mindx2 wrong alt

 

[Grunker]

They're not, just using most retarded arguments in bad faith for some unknown reason.

Like silverfish that quits diablo when gear matters but somehow he "HAS" to farm max upgrades in souls...

Actually come to think of it I did spend like thirty minutes farming crafting stuff for holy res against Elden Beast but that felt more like a band aid for my skill issues than anything the game encouraged me to do…

 

[Lyric Suite]

Well, another one "burst" the dust lul:



This one was easier than the other two though (second phase was easy also). I have 21 scadutree fragments still in my stash. I have a feeling i'll have to wait until Radahn before even considering having to use them. I was also still able to tank some of his hits, that's with Scorpion Charm, Howl of Shabriri damage debuff and everything. So far the necessity to use those Scadutree Blessings has been vastly exagerated, but we'll see further ahead.

Oh, you also get several opportunities to heal on this one, much like the Dancing Lion. When he goes throtting around to do that whole sequence where he uses the horse to attack you get plenty of time to heal and you also have a lot of time at the start of the second phase where he does that series of ghostflame shockwaves. So far the only one i felt didn't give you much of a chance to heal unless you went out of your way to create a lot of spacing was Rellana. Bosses like that probably require you to use other healing means (healing over time, healing on hit etc).

 

[Child of Malkav]

Little reminder that Elden ring is not Dark souls and you should try everything you find in all situations. You will be surprised of how much weird interactions the game has.

I agree that you need to try all the tools to discover stuff but enough already with the ER is not DkS retardation.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Well, technically it isn't. I mean in the sense FromSoft is conscious of the fact so they went out of their way to do things a bit differently, even if in the main the game is basically still Souls and could just have easily been Dark Souls 4. That's why i suggested not to get too obtuse in trying different approaches instead of relying on what worked in Souls exclusively and obstinately.

 

[Silverfish]

Well, there you go, you have no frame of reference to understand how bad this system can potentially get.

I actually do, which is why I choose not to engage at that point.

Titanite Slabs were limited in number and were hidden behind those little invisible and skittish bugs that were often difficult to kill.

They were actually farmable from Darkwraiths in infinite numbers.

Like silverfish that quits diablo when gear matters but somehow he "HAS" to farm max upgrades in souls...

From made chunks and slabs purchasable in the sequels, so clearly I was right.

 

[Lyric Suite]

They were actually farmable from Darkwraiths in infinite numbers.

They were? I didn't even know lmao.

From made chunks and slabs purchasable in the sequels, so clearly I was right.

Not really. FromSoft caving in to pressure from carebears usually results in their games becoming less interesting. I still remember what i had to do to get the slab for my divine claymore in DS1. Man was that a quest worth remembering.

I'm also still pretty sure final upgrades were limited in DS2/DS3. They certainly are limited in Elden Ring. In a game where most people are likely to stick to a single weapon all the way through, demanding to have upgrades for all gear easily obtainable is just completist autism speaking. You don't need to have everything on a single character.

 

[Silverfish]

Not really. FromSoft caving in to pressure from carebears usually results in their games becoming less interesting.

Preaching to the choir. I'm one of about five people who think that Elden Ring should ditch the map and compass and bring back item durability.

I'm also still pretty sure final upgrades were limited in DS2/DS3.

Farmable again in DS2. DS3 slabs are limited, you can only get around a dozen. In the game where you can't upgrade armor.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I’m a million years old, have no hands and never played action games before, yet recently completed a few of these games blind, defeating bosses like Malenia.

That's a point worth devling into.

I'm in my 40s myself, and my reflexes aren't what they used to be, and yet and i could still get fairly proficient in those games, which is why i tend to get a bit annoyed at all the screetching about how hard they are.

I also never liked action games much before Souls. My only experience with action games before Souls was arcades as a kid. Once i got my first PC i never played anything other than strategy, sims and the like. Only action games after that were first person shooters and maybe RTS games.

FromSoft was congenial for me because half of the difficulty lies in "figuring out" what's going on rather than being a matter of having fast reflexes or being able to execute impossible combos. The last boss i killed felt super relaxing, just requiring observation rather than fast reactions.

 

[Odoryuk]

Little reminder that Elden ring is not Dark souls and you should try everything you find in all situations. You will be surprised of how much weird interactions the game has.

This moveset is from Dark Souls 3, along with its arrow deflecting ability.
Elden Ring is not Dark Souls, but it is Souls.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Little reminder that Elden ring is not Dark souls and you should try everything you find in all situations. You will be surprised of how much weird interactions the game has.

Little reminder that spiritleaf greatsword's animation was reused for this weapon and it's using Dark souls 3 content, including blocking the arrows. It was one of the most popular weapons towards the end of the DLC's life because it blocked ranged stuff and was easy to pressure with.

Who the fuck farms in a FromSoft game. I’m a million years old, have no hands and never played action games before, yet recently completed a few of these games blind, defeating bosses like Malenia. Why the fuck would you waste time farming except if you’re looking for some irrelevant bit of fashion souls equipment

Maybe you should read the thread before you comment in it?

From made chunks and slabs purchasable in the sequels, so clearly I was right.

From had to completely rebalance Dark souls ore system with the DLC as well. So it wasn't even the sequels that changed things (ignoring DaS is a sequel).

I can't decide if From, Sonic the hedgehog or Bethesda have the worst fanboys at this point. I'm convinced there are people in this thread who are not capable of being self aware and will continue to go for character assassination because they're fundamentally incapable of understanding a single thing said to them. From games can be interesting to discuss and the community used to be full of life and excitement to discuss the pros and cons of the game and how to improve them even if From never actually would. It's sad we're at the point where people will defend the mess Elden Ring is, but then I suppose Pokemon has the exact same problem and at least they games haven't completely lost their identity the way From have.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Maybe if your arguments weren't all shit people would have an easier time considering them (and the fact you have to rely on sophistry, bad faith arguments etc says a lot).

Also, i would honestly like to know if there is even a game you like, since everything for you appears to be "shit". The only time i've seen you make something resembling a positive comment on a game was Halo of all things lmao.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Lyric you're not even self aware enough to make an argument. You genuinely have a mental defect where you have to religiously defend From games from people who are way more informed than you and it's really quite sad. I hope you can find a good therapist who can help you with your life issues if you're this desperate to make a bad action RPG your entire life.


Interesting Zullie video. See if you can notice how many of the attacks are copy pasted (it's almost all of them lol).

 

[Odoryuk]

Lyric you're not even self aware enough to make an argument. You genuinely have a mental defect where you have to religiously defend From games from people who are way more informed than you and it's really quite sad

It's a good game, Brent

 

[Lyric Suite]

You linked to a lore video dude. I'm avoiding those for now until my let's play is done.

FromSoft recycling attacks isn't a new thing and it's not that big of a deal either. Developers having to cut certain corners to meet their deadline is part of the nature of this busines. Even the "greats" did it. Handel culled entire sections from his older operas so he could meet his deadline whenever a new season started at his theater and sometimes even went so far as steal form "other" composers (but like he said, the stuff he stole was too "good" for them, which he was right lmao).

Critisizing shortcomings is one thing but there's also such a thing as demanding too much. When you are asking for a perfection that has never been achieved by anyone in the 50+ years this medium as existed you may just be trying too hard to find faults for the sake of finding faults.

You are also talking about a Japanese company and we dealt with this subject before, how in the mindset of the Japanese, "recycling" what has worked in the past, and building on a tradition of "proved" gameplay mechanics is how they often operate. They are not as obssed at having to reinvent the wheel and discover fire again every single time like western devs were at one point. There's a certain wisdom to this as their games have often a mechanical "maturity" that is hard for western developers to achieve even if it often comes at the expense of novelty and freshness.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Lyric you're not even self aware enough to make an argument. You genuinely have a mental defect where you have to religiously defend From games from people who are way more informed than you and it's really quite sad

It's a good game, Brent

I didn't know that meme. I have become a slightly more tainted human being..

It's not even worth engaging with From fanboys. It's always the same argument of "you expect too much from one of the biggest gaming companies in the world". It's exactly like Pokemon where the magic died 3 games ago but the games just keep selling better and better.

 

[Odoryuk]

It's not even worth engaging with From fanboys

We are happy with the games and you're not. No amount of arguments can change that.

 

[Hell Swarm]

It's not even worth engaging with From fanboys

We are happy with the games and you're not. No amount of arguments can change that.

There is something deeply wrong with you if you're happy with Elden Ring's camera. Something even elctro shock therapy couldn't cure.

 

[abija]

Dude go grind some intelligence or refill your prescription. You are reaching SDG levels of absurd now, making retarded claims and arguing something different after.

 

[Hell Swarm]

I have 383 hours in Elden ring right now. I would estimate 250 of those, if not more are riding around on Torrent being bored. Compare this to literally any other souls games and the amount of filler travel time is close to less than 1% of that despite being a close amount of play time in all of them on Steam (and god knows if we include console versions).

Elden ring has enjoyable moments, but they're rare as hens teeth because we need 1% grindable open worlds.