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abija

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There's a reason why Bungie, Bethesda and Bioware persist and Troika, Black Isle and Looking Glass are long since shuttered.
There's a reason Carmack was a millionaire in a few games, Bioware/Bungie/Bethesda even exist, Blizzard balooned so fast they lost control of the company or Steam became the monopoly we have today.

It was never about piracy shit for brains, but about going for easy guaranteed money from Microsoft (in this case) and targeting lowest denominator to sell slop. But hey, we got masterpieces like Halo and GoW for jockbrains that grew up to do armchair game design, gotta be thankful for that.
 

Silverfish

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It was never about piracy shit for brains

"Please forget about the pre-Steam era. We've always been on the up and up and companies just turned their backs on us for no reason." How embarrassing.

But hey, we got masterpieces like Halo and GoW for jockbrains that grew up to do armchair game design, gotta be thankful for that.

"XBox 360 games were popular with people who were in shape" is definitely not the insult I saw coming. I'll take it, though.
 

abija

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Forget about the pre-Steam era? All those examples were in that era. What the actual fuck are you talking about? Doom made bank launched as shareware and being extremely easy to copy. Piracy has always been just an escuse for shitty companies or sellouts.

Pst, I didn't say you were fit like a jock, just ignorant as one. "Best" of both worlds, peak xbox demographic.
 

Ravielsk

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They followed him there because he brain washed them but it's frustrating that the NPCs feel so alive when you first meet them and then they basically have no story.
No, I get that part. My question is why Miquella even needed them to follow him (and its not like the location of Mohgs palace is public knowledge). They do nothing to aid him and in fact after his rune shatters all except Leda and Dryleaf become a liability. They straight up lead you to him, so in a way they facilitate his downfall.
As things are the story basically makes the point that Miquella is a jackass that brainwashes randos to follow him for no particular reason. Somehow I doubt that the intent was to portrait him as a F- tier hentai protagonist.

It's never even explained why him being a God is such a bad idea. We killed the last one because She abandoned the lands between and intentionally fucked it up.
You could infer that a god who has to literary discard his love and compassion would make for a shit deity but that is me really grasping at straws. He kind of has the exact same issue as Marika in that he is basically a non-character whose actions we only observe in retrospect with little to no context or motivation. Its kind of like trying to form an opinion of a person based solely on their pfp.
 

Lyric Suite

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I never even had a console and none of my friends had one either. Halo was trash for that reason alone, Bungie betraying their PC fanbase because Microsoft made them an offer they couldn't refuse (except they could have). Fuck them.

"Halo is bad because it's on a console" is pretty much the level of critique I expected from you.

But it is. Bungie was one of the first companies to cave to console exclusives and the whole concept of the console ecosystem, which from there on became the common denominator for all games, thus destroying western PC gaming in the process, since now games have to be made for console first and foremost or should i say exclusively, 90% of games that end up on steam being defacto console ports to PC aside for those few hold overs from the PC era that have been relagated to tiny niches, I.E., strategy games etc.

The Xbox destroyed PC gaming and Bungie were among the first to sellout.

And imagine even considering playing a shooter with a controller.


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You shut your mouth figgit. My let's plays are hightly entertaining and deeply enlightening, offering profound insights into the games and are good fun for family and friends! I'm also the only one apparently who can finish them lmao.
 

Lyric Suite

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I had to skim all the posts dealing with Miquella because i have yet to get there and i don't want spoilers.

So far the game has dealt mostly with the Hornsent and that part is pretty fascinating, especially if the plot is going where i think it's going (I.E., Marika had a pretty good justificaiton to send Messmer to incinerate those fuckers).

It's an intereresting subplot because it involves motivations that are more easily understood. I don't know what Miquella's deal is but the reasoning of those gods or demigods appears to be quite esoteric so understanding their actions from a "mortal" perspective didn't quite work in the base game either. So far the game has claimed Miquella is doing what he is doing as atonement for what Marika did to the Hornsent, but likely there's going to be more than that.

Anyway, i should probably just stop before the whole plot gets spoiled for me.
 
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Silverfish

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Bungie was one of the first companies to cave to console exclusives and the whole concept of the console ecosystem, which from there on became the common denominator for all games, thus destroying western PC gaming in the process, since now games have to be made for console first and foremost or should i say exclusively, 90% of games that end up on steam being defacto console ports to PC aside for those few hold overs from the PC era that have been relagated to tiny niches, I.E., strategy games etc.

Should have bought more games, bro.

You shut your mouth figgit. My let's plays are hightly entertaining and deeply enlightening

The important thing is that you think so.
 

Lyric Suite

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They followed him there because he brain washed them

Did he? I got the impression Miquella just has an effect on others purely by virtue of what he is. Maybe he never intended anybody to follow him. Those NPCs just met him and decided to become his followers entirely on their own after falling to his powers.
 

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"XBox 360 games were popular with people who were in shape" is definitely not the insult I saw coming. I'll take it, though.

It's definitely an insult because jocks and dude bros are notoriously known to be braindead for a good reason: because they are.
 

Hell Swarm

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As things are the story basically makes the point that Miquella is a jackass that brainwashes randos to follow him for no particular reason. Somehow I doubt that the intent was to portrait him as a F- tier hentai protagonist.
I don't think he intentionally mind fucks people, he's just very very charismatic and naturally does it. He clearly has stronger seduction (grabbing) but I think in general people do what he wants because his great rune forces it on them.
But it is. Bungie was one of the first companies to cave to console exclusives and the whole concept of the console ecosystem, which from there on became the common denominator for all games, thus destroying western PC gaming in the process, since now games have to be made for console first and foremost or should i say exclusively, 90% of games that end up on steam being defacto console ports to PC aside for those few hold overs from the PC era that have been relagated to tiny niches, I.E., strategy games etc.
Please stop posting Lyric you fucking idiot. Square enix has console exclusive deals with Nintendo and then Sony for final fantasy. There are loads of companies before Bungie to sign exclusive contracts. You have no clue about what's being released either. PC has been the lead platform this generation because both consoles have flopped.
You shut your mouth figgit. My let's plays are hightly entertaining and deeply enlightening, offering profound insights into the games and are good fun for family and friends! I'm also the only one apparently who can finish them lmao.
They're boring buff fests and you're not even skilled enough to make those entertaining. Where's your bug eyed dumpling head faggot?
They followed him there because he brain washed them

Did he? I got the impression Miquella just has an effect on others purely by virtue of what he is. Maybe he never intended anybody to follow him. Those NPCs just met him and decided to become his followers entirely on their own after falling to his powers.
You don't know what you're talking about yet again. Don't comment until you've finished the 'story' which doesn't really exist except for 1 major change.
 

Silverfish

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It's definitely an insult because jocks and dude bros are notoriously known to be braindead for a good reason: because they are.

Didn't mean to make you relive those high school memories. Sorry, man.

Square enix has console exclusive deals with Nintendo and then Sony for final fantasy. There are loads of companies before Bungie to sign exclusive contracts.

In before "it's different when the squints do it because they didn't betray me".
 

Hell Swarm

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Oh hey a helmet that acts as a mini FAP ring.. Better farm it!
Oh cool a fire great sword.. Better farm it!
Gee, this is getting tiresome.
 

Lyric Suite

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Please stop posting Lyric you fucking idiot. Square enix has console exclusive deals with Nintendo and then Sony for final fantasy. There are loads of companies before Bungie to sign exclusive contracts. You have no clue about what's being released either. PC has been the lead platform this generation because both consoles have flopped

Here we go with the sophistry again.

Japanese companies are not part of the argument because consoles is all they do. They never had a PC scene so for them the destruction of the PC gaming ecosystem due to the advent of "multiplatform" development doesn't apply.

Halo would have been a VASTLY better game had it come out on PC. It was likely the first game to have to be forced to make "concessions" to fit to an inferior platform and a control sheme that wasn't intended for the genre. Halo was also among the first console "exclusives" when that was a foreign concept in the west, and the game was originally set to release on both console and PC in case we have forgotten about that.

With the xbox Microsoft nearly literally shat on one of the few reasons the windows platform was so dominant (becuase that's where all the games were) and were only saved, unwittingly, by steam. The level of stupidity on display by Microsoft is beyond words. Steam should have been THEIR creation and the shitbox should have never existed because consoles are an inferior platform and only lingered on because the Japanese were too stubborn to let it go.
 

Lyric Suite

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They're boring buff fests and you're not even skilled enough to make those entertaining.

Nah they are fun (and are also more fun to make than i expected, the Sekiro one was a blast). You guys are just negative nancies and pretty boring ones at this point. All you do is screech and moan it's becoming a bit repetitive.
 

Silverfish

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All you do is screech and moan it's becoming a bit repetitive.

Praise one of Lyric's videos. "You're retarded."

Defend loot games on the basis that some are more skill-focused (Nioh) or can eventually be put down since you've seen all the content anyway (Diablo). "They're trying to make me gamble. It's just like microtransactions."

Share enthusiasm for a top 5 FPS series. "It's bad because it's not on my platform of choice."

"All you guys do is complain."

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abija

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You actually said loot system in Nioh is better than From games (and Diablo is fine) because you stopped playing the games before loot mattered.
 

Lyric Suite

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Again with the sophistry. Nioh has no such thing as "skill based" loot. The skills are tied to the weapon type, it has shit to do with the loot system as such. You could literally remove the loot aspect entirely and the game wouldn't fundamentally change all that much (might have even be better, getting closer to Sekiro except with a greater variety of weapon types at the expense of better designed bosses and tighter fine tuning).

And Halo is a colossal pile of shit only consoltards think is good because they don't know any better. They grew up playing on the shitbox exclusively thinking the dumbed down garbage they were slurping over was actually the genuine pinnacle of gaming. This crowd, comprised mostly of dumb Americans, is completely oblivious of anything that may exist outside their consoltarded bubble, and those people are the primary cause of decline in the west. Ask them what their favored shooter is, and they'll say Halo. Ask their favored RPG, and they'll mention stupid shit like Zelda or Ocarina of Time (babby's first RPG), or even worse Final Fantasy. I remember reading a comment on the Baldur's Gate 3 steam forums where some guy was confused why the name "Baldur's Gate" was supposed to be such a big deal. He didn't understand what the fuss was and literally mentions Zelda as the standard he was used to, i shit you not. The dangers of a PC franchise suddenly going "mainstream" i guess.

Go to any youtube detailing the history of RPGs, and even when the author of the video doesn't go out of his way to pander to the console crowd, 50% of the comments will mention nothing but Zelda or FF. They literally don't know anything else. And if you see Fallout mentioned of course it's gonna be Fallout 3 (or Fallout 4 at this point because consoltards have the memory of a gold fish and new generations don't even know older console games).

And for someone who belongs to a prestigious old school forum, comments like this betray the insular consoletarded mindset:


In before "it's different when the squints do it because they didn't betray me".

Dude, i never even fucking played a single Square Enix game in my entire existence. But to a consoletard, it was just an automatic assumption i was a fanboy of that company because their wolrd is the only world they know.
 

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Ironically enough, Souls game started as console exclusives, and even today the main platform is still consoles, as the sources I posted early show that PS4 and 5 are where more of the player-base is. This include Sekiro and AC. From has always been a console dev first and foremost.

Never cared too much about PC vs consoles debate. Played both, there are good games in both of them. Wouldn't mind consoles being phased out so all games come to PC, but the quality of games usually depends more on the developers than the platform. Many emblematic and creative elements of games of old came about due to the developers finding ingenous solutions to the limitations of the platform they were working on. Nowadays, in a development environment where those liimitations are gone and we have access to many more tools somehow games manage to be worse.
 

abija

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It wasn't about PC vs consoles but about Bungie selling out and making a fps on a clearly inferior platform that forces big gameplay changes (and these numbnuts calling the result great).
 

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I still think the most offensive example of dumbing down for X-Pox limitations was Deus Ex: Invisible War. The levels were tiny and lacked any of the complexity found in the original.
 

Lyric Suite

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Ironically enough, Souls game started as console exclusives, and even today the main platform is still consoles, as the sources I posted early show that PS4 and 5 are where more of the player-base is. This include Sekiro and AC. From has always been a console dev first and foremost.

Never cared too much about PC vs consoles debate. Played both, there are good games in both of them. Wouldn't mind consoles being phased out so all games come to PC, but the quality of games usually depends more on the developers than the platform. Many emblematic and creative elements of games of old came about due to the developers finding ingenous solutions to the limitations of the platform they were working on. Nowadays, in a development environment where those liimitations are gone and we have access to many more tools somehow games manage to be worse.

The argument is about the west. Japanese developers are stuck with consoles so the argument cannot apply to them. Good Japanese developers make games first and foremost for consoles because that's all they have to work with. Because of this fact they are also quite suited to how consoles operate even though the inherent limitations of the platform still narrow the range of games Japanese are allowed to make.

This is more of an issue with western games though because many PC games were NOT made with consoles in mind and the transition simply ruined a lot of them and made some outright impossible to make anymore.

Lasty, there's also an issue with demographics. Consoles in the west tended to target a specific group, namely younger people (because of the low costs of consoles and the ease of use, a PC not generally being something you could convince parents to buy for their kids) or people for whom the PC platform was too daunting to deal with (dude bros or other assorted cretins). Because in Japan you only had the console market and the arcade market, there is a more varied playerbase, inclung the kind of playerbase that would have no issue playing complex or difficult games. In the west, there is more of a split. All the "nerd" types were on PC while consoles became predominatly filled with normies, with a small number of people who latched on the more demanding Japanese games who however appear to be a minority among a minority. I think FromSoft did a lot to bridge those latter groups, fans of the more difficult Japanese games and people like myself who wouldn't have touched a console if their lives depended on it (actually, i still don't own one lmao), first, by presenting something that was more palatable to western tastes than stuff like DMC, animu etc, even if we are just talking about the aesthetic, and second, because given that western games are all shit now, where else are we gonna go?

That's why if you noticed my ire towards consoles is not directed at Japanese consoles, it's focused purely on Microsoft. Because when PC gaming was in it's heyday there was no issue with consoles having their own separate ecosystem. The two platforms coexisted peacefully and without conflict. That only changed with the Xbox. It was the Xbox, and not the Playstation, that intruded into the PC ecosystem and altered how western games had to be made and who they had to target.
 

Hell Swarm

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Halo would have been a VASTLY better game had it come out on PC. It was likely the first game to have to be forced to make "concessions" to fit to an inferior platform and a control sheme that wasn't intended for the genre. Halo was also among the first console "exclusives" when that was a foreign concept in the west, and the game was originally set to release on both console and PC in case we have forgotten about that.
Halo did come out on PC. CE still has a player base for it's multiplayer today and has loads of mods. Halo 2 also came out on PC. Used to sell the latest version of Vista if I recall as they made it Vista exclusive but no one bought it. The remasters are all based on the PC port which was done by Gear box (A PC dev) but lack some of the graphical touches of the original PC releases. Jackal shields are busted even on MCC's steam release because it uses the gear box colour coding not the console version. Not a big deal but still a difference if you're autistic.

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Rare, based in the UK. Exclusive to Nintendo platform before MS ever released the Xbox. Now Lyric please just stop. You are constantly proven wrong by even the most basic knowledge. You're too autistic to understand and want to derail the thread over and over so no one can discuss the game any more. You are wrong. Accept it. Move on and find some ways to mature in life. We'll all be grateful if you do.
Ironically enough, Souls game started as console exclusives, and even today the main platform is still consoles, as the sources I posted early show that PS4 and 5 are where more of the player-base is. This include Sekiro and AC. From has always been a console dev first and foremost.
Shhh don't tell lyric the truth. Later he might find out Dark souls 1 released near unplayable on PC and a fan fixed it in a day. Dark souls 2 was designed as a PC game and scaled back. It's not until Dark souls 3 that the souls games become playable out the box on PC.
 

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What does it matter if a FPS comes out on pc after the design got ruined to account for controller aim?
 

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