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[Hell Swarm]

so Hell Spawn can fuck himself

Couldn't beat him until they nerfed him.

Lol you piss baby. Didn't even beat the actual DLC. Got soft locked until they nerfed him into the floor lol.

 

[ferratilis]

All those youtube videos, all the posts, and he couldn't beat Radahn pre-nerf. Pussy.

 

[Lyric Suite]

so Hell Spawn can fuck himself

Couldn't beat him until they nerfed him.

Those videos are before the path fuckwad. Learn to read.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Sure they were lyric. You complained you couldn't do it pre nerf in the post.

Live with the shame of being a casual unable to beat the boss. Or are you going to claim you were using tools to modify your save so you could repeat bosses? That's hacking and invalidates everything you did.

So did you cheat or are you a scrub? Pick one.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Sure they were lyric. You complained you couldn't do it pre nerf in the post.

I was working on a no-hit attempt. Killed him a billion times already, all without scadutree blessings but he always managed to smack me in some way. I also had better videos than the one i uploaded but i put that one up because i wanted to showcase the rot strategy while i was waiting to refine the fight further (the rot video was one of the first victories i had. After that one i dropped the rot to give him room to do a few more combos during the second phase), but i guess that's over with now unless i roll back the patch.

Videos were uploaded before the patch rolled out but we have already estalished you can't read so.

I'm pretty sure i'm the first one to pull that trick on the diving bomb attack. Everybody is so obsessed with having to roll through everything and not use special abilities like Vow of the Indomitable that i think i'm actually the first to use that beautiful strategy. I also figured you can just go inside him while he is doing that teleport thing and while there you can just buff up lmao. I'll try to put that on video just because it's funny.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Ongbal put out a video to show just how extensive the nerfs are:



He also forgot one. The instant double slash attack, the one where he slashes with both swords in a single swipe has also been nerfed, and now he terries long enough that i could squeeze an R1 Square Off in there. This could well be the most extensive nerf they have ever done.

 

[Anonona]

I'm pretty sure i'm the first one to pull that trick on the diving bomb attack

Lol, no. People have used that and more, including things like just running away or jumping to glitch out the move. The hubris, man.

I also figured you can just go inside him while he is doing that teleport thing and while there you can just buff up lmao

Is pretty much the de facto strategy I think most people figured out and used for that move, me included.

There were also improvements to be made. For example, there are multiple openings during some of Radhan combos where you can easily R1, or even pull a guard counter if you are cheeky enough, to maximize damage that you didn't use.

Overall I think the nerfs are good. Slash->Slash->Cross combo was cancer and the method to constantly dodge it with regular rolls made the fight actively worse, without mentioning how the irregular arena could fuck you up or help you for no reason. That together with improved clarity in second phase are great improvements. More openings are also good, unless you banked on high single hit damage, fight could drag on due to RNG and wasn't that fun (contrast with Mesmer fight which was intense but left a lot of chances for back and forths). Some of the changes though I think may be a bit excessive, like the remove of certain hitboxes on attacks and I'm not sure the damage nerf was necessary.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Medium Shield guard boost has been improved significantly, some of the better ones have guard boost only a few points below that of the Haligtree Greatshield, Golden Greatshield and Black Iron Greatshield.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I'm pretty sure i'm the first one to pull that trick on the diving bomb attack

Lol, no. People have used that and more, including things like just running away or jumping to glitch out the move. The hubris, man.

You didn't get my point.

In every video i've watched after i killed Radahn people ran away. Why? Because that's the "hardcore" thing to do. They wanna show off to the world where as i don't have that hurdle. I love figuring out ways to "edge" my bets like that and i enjoy finding ways to make use of dead spaces. I also absolute despise having to run away from anything so i didn't even consider trying that at all.

Is pretty much the de facto strategy I think most people figured out and used for that move, me included.

Yeah but did you think of buffing while you were standing there? See, try hards not exploiting moments like that.

 

[Lyric Suite]

There were also improvements to be made. For example, there are multiple openings during some of Radhan combos where you can easily R1, or even pull a guard counter if you are cheeky enough, to maximize damage that you didn't use.

Oh those i had to give up on them because i constantly ran out of stamina. Like i know you can squeeze in an R1 during the slow double slash attack, or the one that ends with the ground slam there's a delayed attack during that combo where you can slap him in the mouth with a quick slash but i had to sacrifice those since i couldn't afford them. R1 taps aren't gonna do much anyway i was banking entirely on Square Off.

More openings are also good, unless you banked on high single hit damage

I did i loved the rolling bomb opening lmao. But mostly i find it obnoxious when bosses are passive, so i liked that he would just close the gab instantly so the action would start rightaway. The fact i have to walk to him every single time now is just boring to me.

 

[Anonona]

In every video i've watched after i killed Radahn people ran away. Why? Because that's the "hardcore" thing to do. They wanna show off to the world where as i don't have that hurdle. I love figuring out ways to "edge" my bets like that and i enjoy finding ways to make use of dead spaces. I also absolute despise having to run away from anything so i didn't even consider trying that at all.

No, running away is actually a safe way of doing it if you don't use that Ash of War in your build. No need to time it, just run, you give up damage opportunity, but is one of the safest. The "hardcore" mode would be to roll to end up close to him when he falls to maximize damage.

Your mode is the "smart" one, using a skill to maximize damage and with more generous timing, with the only caveat that is build dependent.

Yeah but did you think of buffing while you were standing there?

Yes, and healing too. I think it would also be possible to use a range attack or spell aimed to where Radahn is going to stand once his attack finish so it hits when he becomes vulnerable again, to edge up extra damage, but I wasn't using any ranged options when I was practicing the fight, so I cannot say if it would work. Potentially it could allow to use a slow but strong spell if possible.

Oh those i had to give up on them because i constantly ran out of stamina. Like i know you can squeeze in an R1 during the slow double slash attack, or the one that ends with the ground slam there's a delayed attack during that combo where you can slap him in the mouth with a quick slash but i had to sacrifice those since i couldn't afford them.

I understand. A shame though. Perhaps using shield rampart may allow for it, though I can see how it would make more cumbersome to use Square Off to punish at the end, but maybe it is possible to change to 2-handing the sword fast enough to do so. Also perhaps dodging the first attack of the combo may do the trick?

 

[Hell Swarm]

Medium Shield guard boost has been improved significantly, some of the better ones have guard boost only a few points below that of the Haligtree Greatshield, Golden Greatshield and Black Iron Greatshield.

Nice to see medium shields getting a buff. Bit confused as to why it's in the DLC. There's basically no reason to use a medium shield with the DLC giving you so many extra levels. I like mediums though so any buff is a welcome one.

Lyrics back to his usual bullshit I see. "I am the best gamer EVER!" and he's not even top 1% like I am lol.

 

[Lyric Suite]

In every video i've watched after i killed Radahn people ran away. Why? Because that's the "hardcore" thing to do. They wanna show off to the world where as i don't have that hurdle. I love figuring out ways to "edge" my bets like that and i enjoy finding ways to make use of dead spaces. I also absolute despise having to run away from anything so i didn't even consider trying that at all.

No, running away is actually a safe way of doing it if you don't use that Ash of War in your build.

The "hardcore" part is not using an Ash of War. I did try running away once. Saw how easy it was since i pulled it off first try without much effort, and i instantly decided that was just retarded and a waste of time.

I also tried to use Vow of the Indomitable to avoid the explosion in Light of Miquella for the same exact reason. Running way from it was just gay and stupid. Now Vow of the Indomitable didn't work for some reason, but Raptor of the Mists does.

The hardcore mode would be to roll to end up close to him when he falls to maximize damage.

I hit him with a Square Off as he was trying to fly away, and with another one right after he landed. That's two very hard hits i got for free just for using an Ash of War. Even if people would figure out how to pull a trick like that they wouldn't use it because they are afraid people would claim they are doing the boss "in easy mode".

If you check all the RL1, no Scadutree blessings videos they are all the same. It's actually kinda of boring it's like they are all perfecting the same strategies to show they can do it, without relying on creative tactics.

For instance, another thing i discovered is that if you don't hit him with a critical hit in the first phase, you'll spawn right next to him instead of far away in the second phase. So instead of having to run back to him for 30 seconds i was able to just bust him up right away, or throw pots at him to rot him if he did that Light of Miquella thing. I love that shit.

Your mode is the "smart" one, using a skill to maximize damage and with more generous timing, with the only caveat that is build dependent.

An Ash of War is not a "build" though. Everybody can slap that thing on a shield and put it in the second slot like i did.

Yeah, and healing too. Is not that smart.

Shut up it is. It's a genius move.

Ok maybe it isn't but it felt like one when i first discovered you can just phase into him (besides finding spots to heal is one thing but buffing is another matter). Might be "common" knowledge out there but the first time i killed him i tried to figure everything out of my own which is why a lot of my tactics are so unorthodox in the first place.

 

[Lyric Suite]

BTW, now that i think of it, in hindsight i'm just going to assume the reason so many of his attacks have you run around doing nothing for long stretches of time is precisely because they are expecting you to rot him. So while you are running away from the orbital nuke the tick is going.

Well, except the part where the second phase resets the tick and it starts with you running back to him for half an hour.

 

[Anonona]

I hit him with a Square Off as he was trying to fly away, and with another one right after he landed. That's two very hard hits i got for free just for using an Ash of War. Even if people would figure out how to pull a trick like that they wouldn't use it because they are afraid people would claim they are doing the boss "in easy mode".

I do not exactly agree with that. It seems natural to hit him as much as possible, and when you are optimizing a fight hitting him as he flies away and then when he come backs is natural. The reason people runs away is that is easier to dodge that way, is a consistent low effort strategy.

An Ash of War is not a "build" though. Everybody can slap that thing on a shield and put in the second slot like i did.

It is totally part of your build. Every weapon, AoW, talisman and armor piece are part of your build, it determines what you can do or not at each moment, your whole move-set even, and you tinker with it if needed. Some like to stick with a single build with minimal changes because they like it, even if it makes things harder, and other don't mind to change it radically constantly.

And it does depend on how you are playing or your strategy. Not everyone is going to use a shield because they prefer to use dual wielding, two handing, or are using shields and have parry, or even if they have multiple shields they just want one with no skill for blocking and the other one with parry, or they go pure caster with four staff for all they spell, or for many more reasons. There are a lot of reason why people wouldn't use the Vow besides being insecure about being accused of playing easy mode.

Specially because now there is a huge pushback against the "git gud" crowd. People are using Greatshields and poking Radhan to death with their spirit and proud of it, while laughing at "tryhards". The run away method is popular because is easy and safe and is independent of what you are using, as well as not costing FP. A return to the older mentalities of DS and DS1 (before the "Prepare to Die" meme) of "winning" by playing smart instead of putting arbitrary limitations to oneself.

For instance, another thing i discovered is that if you don't hit him with a critical hit in the first phase, you'll spawn right next to him instead of far away in the second phase. So instead of having to run back to him for 30 seconds i was able to just bust him up right away, or throw pots at him to rot him if he did that Light of Miquella thing. I love that shit.

I think it is a bug, I seem to recall your positioning chaging with some bosses even in base game or even more dramatics things like putting them at 1 HP. But it is quite neat, I agree

If you check all the RL1, no Scadutree blessings videos they are all the same. It's actually kinda of boring it's like they are all perfecting the same strategies to show they can do it, without relying on creative tactics.

I think is more about their weapon choices to do more damage (specially with bleeding and frost for the percentage damage), conserve fast rolling and choosing a safe strat for that move because doing it with RL1 no Scadu is a pain in the ass and long as shit. And is not every case, I seem some people prefer rolling, Ongbal himself I think used the jumping method and I'm sure there is someone out there that has done it any other way.

It's a genius move.

Yes, it is a smart move.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I hit him with a Square Off as he was trying to fly away, and with another one right after he landed. That's two very hard hits i got for free just for using an Ash of War. Even if people would figure out how to pull a trick like that they wouldn't use it because they are afraid people would claim they are doing the boss "in easy mode".

I do not exactly agree with that. It seems natural to hit him as much as possible, and when you are optimizing a fight hitting him as he flies away and then when he come backs is natural. The reason people runs away is that is easier to dodge that way, is a consistent low effort strategy.

I'm pretty sure the fact you can't roll through the bomb is why they do it. Even Vow of the Indomitable doesn't last long enough, which is why i had to then follow that up with a roll to survive the whole thing.

It is totally part of your build. Every weapon, AoW, talisman and armor piece are part of your build

A "build" for me is the hard choices you made developing your character. Gear you can swap around at will is more akin to a load out.

I mean even the accusation that i'm only able to do what i'm doing because of my "build" implies there is something inaccessible about my set up for people who chose a different character progression, but if it's just a matter of swapping gear around, i don't see where the limitation is.

Specially because now there is a huge pushback against the "git gud" crowd.

Yeah i saw that but to me it just seems like the opposite extreme and it usually seems to come from a place of jealousy and sour grapes more than anything else.

I'm not opposed to getting good, and i like to get good myself. It's just that this emphasis on always doing things the hardest way possible is a bit monotous. I get people want to show their talents but it just doesn't seem fun doing it.

My modus operandi is more about setting up certain parameters and then within the confines of those still try to figure out the best way to edge my bets just because i find that part entertaining.

Take those fights i did with basically zero health:



I didn't do this to show off i could survive the boss with the smallest health possible (not that i could survive anything even at full health with a RL1 character), i was actually maximing that talisman and shield that gives you bonus damage on low health. I just find this aspect of the game too much fun to pass up only because i'm doing a challenge run. Within the parameter of the challenge i set out for myself, i still want to feel like i'm edging my bets and find tactics and strategies to make things easier for myself. Even the RL1 challenge itself, the main attraction for me is that it opened a whole different level of strategizing.

The DLC is the same. I set out that i wasn't gonna use any scadutree blessings. After that everything was fair game. Granted i went a bit easier on myself than i could purely because i knew i had limited time to play but still i just enjoy the whole process of actually trying to win. My only audience is my friends and people here whom i would basically also classify as my friends so what do i care.

 

[Anonona]

I'm pretty sure the fact you can't roll through the bomb is why they do it. Even Vow of the Indomitable doesn't last long enough, which is why i had to then follow that up with a roll to survive the whole thing.

The meteor? You can roll it, but have to do it twice and time it. The Vow is a better method quite honestly.

I mean even the accusation that i'm only able to do what i'm doing because of my "build" implies there is something inaccessible about my set up for people who chose a different character progression, but if it's just a matter of swapping gear around, i don't see where the limitation is.

Is not about limitations, just people have different strategies and loadouts, that is all.

Yeah i saw that but to me it just seems like the opposite extreme and it usually seems to come from a place of jealousy and sour grapes more than anything else.

I see it differently. People are tired of being told they play their games wrong or that they shouldn't use good options or mechanics because they have a chip on their shoulders about it. There are also many more new players for ER, like a lot, who don't give a shit about that "git gud" mindset and get angry for being told how to play. Finally, it is also an argument against complains about the game being "too hard", pointing out how giving up so many tools is making the game unnecessarily hard for the complainers. without mentioning that limiting yourself to base attacks and/or AoW and just rolling/jumping is quite boring, like playind DMC and using the basic combo and dodging only; it may get the job done, but is not very fun nor the best way to play.

I'm not opposed to getting good, and i like to get good myself. It's just that this emphasis on always doing things the hardest way possible is a bit monotous.

Agree, I consider that having multiple tools at one's disposal and adapting is one of the most fun ways of playing Souls in particular and RPG and action games in general. I hope next game they make levels harder and encourage players to use multiple weapons and tools. Lord of the Fallen had a cool system where ranged ammunition recharged at "bonfires" and made ranged weapons an important part of your arsenal, designing bosses and encounters around it regardless if you played casters or fighters. Would be neat if From tried something similar, Sekiro kind of already has it with the ninja tools.

 

[Lyric Suite]

You can roll it, but have to do it twice and time it.

For real? Now i'm compelled to try it. When i even saw Ongbal running away from it i just assumed it wasn't possible.

 

[Anonona]

For real? Now i'm compelled to try it.

A video of a player doing it, though if you want to figure out the timing by yourself you can choose not to watch it.

Video

When i even saw Ongbal running away from it i just assumed it wasn't possible.

I don't know if he still uses the run method in his newer videos, but I know he used it on the early ones, so maybe he doesn't do it now. I don't blame him though, being among the first to do the fight no damage RL1, before good strategies were discovered is hard enough, the run strategy is just consistent and safe. In those videos he also was very careful about attacking from behind to avoid Radhan turning around too fast, specially because of the low visibility and the possibility of him using the fast slash, slash, cross combo. I imagine that with the relative short time he had to practice the fight, having a no hit run ended because of that had to be frustrating.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Can we all agree Lyric is probably using cheats and hacks? We know he's modifying the game to repeatedly fight the bosses which means he's hacking the game. It's not a pure experience, so he's obviously cheating and his tiny e-peen internet attitude makes him the prime suspect for cheating. It's just so obvious to me and he's such a faggot he'd gloat about it on the internet thinking we wouldn't notice lol.

 

[Lyric Suite]

We know he's modifying the game to repeatedly fight the bosses

It's called copy and paste of the save game folder moron. Save method people normally use to unlock all the endings and their achievements in one playthrough.

This cope about people cheating is something that i noticed making the rounds in the steam forums. People are so unable to deal with the fact there may be people out there who are better than they are at something they have to invent stupid shit to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings. So the "pros" just cheat, or are people with no life so of course they can master the game! They are just autistic losers! Unlike yourself right? All the scrubs who couldn't get good are swimming in pussy in real life while people like Ongbal do what they do because they are lonley virgins is that it?

The funny thing is that with an argument like that they actually reveal how much they suck at the game because anybody who understands how the bosses work should be able to tell rightaway if someone is "cheating" or not.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I imagine that with the relative short time he had to practice the fight, having a no hit run ended because of that had to be frustrating.

Fextra just gave up and took damage in his video guide. That doesn't work with zero scadutree blessings even if i wanted to swallow my pride like that because he can one shot you with that attack.

Ongbal had to use the Sekiro hardtear to deflect it to do a no-hit on the video i watched.

Anyway i was checking how to downgrade the game and it seems it is kinda of a convoluted process:

https://rentry.co/eldenring_downgrade/

 

[Hell Swarm]

We know he's modifying the game to repeatedly fight the bosses

It's called copy and paste of the save game folder moron.

This cope about people cheating is something that i noticed making the rounds in the steam forums. People are so unable to deal with the fact there may be people out there who are better than they are at something they have to invent stupid shit to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings. So the "pros" just cheat, or are people with no life so of course they can master the game! They are just autistic losers! Unlike yourself right? All the scrubs who couldn't get good are swimming in pussy in real life while people like Ongbal do what they do because they are lonley virgins is that it?

You're an autistic loser using cheats for youtube videos no one will watch. We know you're hacking the game faggot. Admit it. None of your videos are legit.

 

[Lyric Suite]

We know he's modifying the game to repeatedly fight the bosses

It's called copy and paste of the save game folder moron.

This cope about people cheating is something that i noticed making the rounds in the steam forums. People are so unable to deal with the fact there may be people out there who are better than they are at something they have to invent stupid shit to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings. So the "pros" just cheat, or are people with no life so of course they can master the game! They are just autistic losers! Unlike yourself right? All the scrubs who couldn't get good are swimming in pussy in real life while people like Ongbal do what they do because they are lonley virgins is that it?

You're an autistic loser using cheats for youtube videos no one will watch. We know you're hacking the game faggot. Admit it. None of your videos are legit.

Dude, just admit you were wrong. The DLC was never that hard if some random boomer in his 40s in an obscure forum could do what you declared couldn't be done. I proved you wrong, accept it and stop trying to save face with this retarded bullshit. I can only assume the reason you didn't get your dumbfuck tag yet is that the mods don't read this sub-forum.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Be quiet cheater. You've admitted to hacking the game and you expect us to take your word for any of the bullshit you posted? I don't think so son. You're a dirty cheater who couldn't even beat Radahn before they nerfed him. How bad do you have to be at the game to need to cheat and need a nerf?