From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

[Black Angel]

Well, I call bullshit on Sekiro being a rhythm game.

Well, it is though...

So does all the Soulsborne games, but for some reason no one complains

In fact, since literally every games in existence are about pressing buttons in some vague pattern of timing, all games are rhythm games

 

[Multidirectional]

Well, I call bullshit on Sekiro being a rhythm game.

Well, it is though...

So does all the Soulsborne games, but for some reason no one complains

It's because they didn't suck at Souls like they did at Sekiro lul.

 

[Zlaja]

They proved themselves going from (Demon's Souls in bracket since I haven't personally play it), to Dark Souls 1, to Bloodborne, and to Sekiro. It's making sequels where they're weak right now (haven't played anything they made pre-Demon's Souls so I wouldn't know here), but making new stuff? That's what they're best at

Well, that's the thing, this isn't really new stuff. It's Dark Souls 4. That's why some of us are dissapointed. We don't criticize this because we don't like From games in general.

And I wonder how many of the people who bitch about it now will end up playing it 10 times more than me

You sound like a Bethesda fanboy.

Just name good games that are worth playing or more promising than Elden Ring.

Elex 2.

 

[Jinn]

Elex 2.

I agree that ELEX 2 is one to look forward to, but maybe not the best example to support the argument "we've seen it before, why don't they try something more different." Also a big reason why I'm never disappointed to see a developer I like making very similar games with alterations here or there.

 

[The_Mask]

Well, I call bullshit on Sekiro being a rhythm game.

Well, it is though...

So does all the Soulsborne games, but for some reason no one complains

Dark Souls can be beat with Iron Skin and RTSR & any other ring, preferably Wolf or BTSR.

The only people that cannot see what Dark Souls is, are the same ones that skip the tutorial. Or didn't read the manual to know what Humanities do before they boot the game.

 

[Silva]

Black Angel , easy boy, easy.

I didn't kick Sekiro as I loved my time with it and eve finished twice. I was just tying to reflect on why it never grabbed me by the collar and made me replay it half a dozen times straight like other Souls, and part of the problem in my view is the combat. It's not even exploration in my case as I found the jumping and flinging around like ninja Spiderman really cool.

The problem with its combat is that it's too narrow with it's "rhythm quality". See I don't deny the other Souls games are also rhythmical in a way, they are, but Sekiro does it to a degree that feels much more constraining and "Simon says". While the average Souls is more open-ended in comparison (even BB).

 

[Zlaja]

I agree that ELEX 2 is one to look forward to, but maybe not the best example to support the argument "we've seen it before, why don't they try something more different." Also a big reason why I'm never disappointed to see a developer I like making very similar games with alterations here or there.

I see your point, but unlike From Software, Piranha Bytes have no real capability of creating something that's both good and very different. They just don't. That's why I'm dissapointed in From. They CAN do both.

 

[toro]

starting classes. for me it's bloody wolf. even if it sucks.

edit: Silva is retarded. who else?

 

[Zlaja]

starting classes. for me it's bloody wolf. even if it sucks.

Prophet design seems based on our friend below.

 

[d1r]

Classes look pretty great. It's definitely the Champion for me.

 

[Silva]

Classes look lame and uninspired. A dude wirh a wheel in the neck, some knight but "enchanted".

What a piece of shit.

 

[Black Angel]

They proved themselves going from (Demon's Souls in bracket since I haven't personally play it), to Dark Souls 1, to Bloodborne, and to Sekiro. It's making sequels where they're weak right now (haven't played anything they made pre-Demon's Souls so I wouldn't know here), but making new stuff? That's what they're best at

Well, that's the thing, this isn't really new stuff. It's Dark Souls 4. That's why some of us are dissapointed. We don't criticize this because we don't like From games in general.

It seems I haven't made myself quite clear yet; I never proclaimed that ER is going to be The New Stuff™. I acknowledged that ER is probably highly likely going to be similar to Souls(borne) in many places, but the part that interests me the most are them saying that they want to use what they learned from Sekiro, and fit it into the action-RPG framework of Soulsborne. That in and of itself is worth looking forward to, no? Even though the skin and sound might be the exact same as Soulsborne?

Again, I said all this because I haven't seen any of the videos, and I've purposefully skipped anything talking about the game into details. It's ridiculous to ask them to reinvent the wheel every time, but I do understand the desire to see them do something different from Souls, skin or not. In fact, I preach to that choir.

I am utterly disgusted at Souls junkie seemingly having orgasms at the mere thoughts of playing a Dark Souls 4, though. Especially those who also dissed Sekiro and even Bloodborne for not being a Souls game.

Dark Souls can be beat with Iron Skin and RTSR & any other ring, preferably Wolf or BTSR.

The only people that cannot see what Dark Souls is, are the same ones that skip the tutorial. Or didn't read the manual to know what Humanities do before they boot the game.

Okay? But I'm not sure what that has to do with my....retort... to a retort...

The problem with its combat is that it's too narrow with it's "rhythm quality". See I don't deny the other Souls games are also rhythmical in a way, they are, but Sekiro does it to a degree that feels much more constraining and "Simon says". While the average Souls (even BB) is more open-ended in comparison.

That's alright, but like I said, I think most people criticized Sekiro for the wrong reasons. The way I see it, people complained that you're essentially limited to playing only one RPG build archetype in Sekiro, and that's of a Shinobi/Ninja/Thief build, whereas if it's like Souls then you would have access to magic or shield. And frankly, that's retarded for expecting another RPG when the devs and publishers clearly stated they aren't even making an action-RPG, and even more retarded to try and play it like it's a Souls game or even a Souls-like (yuck, I hate this word with a passion).

But I'd say it would be nice to see Sekiro's gameplay mechanics retrofitted into an (action)RPG framework, like Souls, and maybe even have them expand further into allowing both Fighter and Mage build archetype to have their own gameplay dynamics. The one action-RPG I've played that allows for different gameplay dynamics based on your build choices would be Dragon's Dogma,

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where each vocations has their own fighting style in combat instead of a mostly one-size-fits-all a la Soulsborne. Fighter uses shields, Warrior goes Berserk-style (RIP Miura-sensei) two-handed bonker, Strider (DD's Thief) use light archery and climbing big monster bosses (and climbing is not exclusive to this class, which is nice), Ranger is essentially a sniper, Mage are support and healer oriented, while Sorcerer wields basically nukes. And then there are hybrid vocations, like an Assassin who combines Fighter and Strider dynamics, can combine their weapons and got unique abilities based around these. Mystic Knight, a hybrid between Fighter and Mage, is basically Shield Hero, or Paladin in another sense of word. Finally, Magick Archer, pretty self-explanatory, an archer with access to elemental magical arrows and shit.

Yes, this is my attempt to get you to play Dragon's Dogma, Silva

 

[toro]

 

[Caim]

Classes will probably change at release, this was the case with all three Souls games as well.

 

[The_Mask]

Okay? But I'm not sure what that has to do with my....retort... to a retort...

Dark Souls is a reflex game for people that want it to be a reflex game.

You want it to be an RPG where numbers matter, it's an RPG where numbers matter.

 

[ADL]

Yeah don't pay attention to the "classes" in the network tests. They're just loadouts to test out different equipment and playstyles.

 

[Morgoth]

OoooOooohhOoooohh Enchanted Knight!

 

[JDR13]

All the edgelords can eat my ass. This looks at least as good as any of the Souls games if not significantly better.

 

[Matador]

Average Miyazaki doubter
Average Elden Ring enjoyer

 

[Silva]

All the edgelords can eat my ass. This looks at least as good as any of the Souls games if not significantly better.

Reality check. Look fast to the image below and say if your dick get hard:

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PROJECT BEAST

See? Your dick don't lie, as small as it is. THAT is hype worthy stuff.

 

[Zariusz]

Enchanted Knight looks like if they took Dragonblood knight armor (or smt like that i dont remember) from DS2/DS3, put some clothes on it and called it a day.

 

[Matador]

Reminder that while we ride and fight on our horse on the sunset getting a Murakumo drop, a lot of losers will be here complaining about stuff.

Have pity on them.

 

[lametta]

didnt want to get spoiled but couldnt help myself and watched some of the gameplay.

Somehow mage class on horseback seems to be much easier than melee vs bosses....

Anyhow even if this is just dark skuls but openworld no one can blame from soft for not doing different games (see bloodborne and sekiro)
meanwhile ppl buy far cry 6 and assasins creed 13 for years.

 

[Silverfish]

Yeah don't pay attention to the "classes" in the network tests. They're just loadouts to test out different equipment and playstyles.

Hopefully, ER will be the exception since Prophet starts with the best weapon in Souls history.

 

[Ezekiel]

starting classes. for me it's bloody wolf. even if it sucks.

Prophet design seems based on our friend below.

I'm not sure. Probably not much different for the prophet up there from Christians in the Middle Ages flogging themselves or carrying heavy crosses or adorning their heads with thorns.