Epic Games Store - the console war comes to PC

[rusty_shackleford]

Cheating in a video game is not a crime and anyone who supports this farce deserves to be sent to mainland China

 

[Sentinel]

Yes because the others in the match with him totally have a choice in an automated matchmaking system, amirite

I meant Epic, don't be daft.

They can ban someone, temporarily or permanently, instead of going to fucking court. But maybe they didn't develop the feature yet?

Yes, they can ban a player in a free to play game. Very effective. I see you're an expert.

 

[Valky]

Yes because the others in the match with him totally have a choice in an automated matchmaking system, amirite

I meant Epic, don't be daft.

They can ban someone, temporarily or permanently, instead of going to fucking court. But maybe they didn't develop the feature yet?

Yes, they can ban a player in a free to play game. Very effective. I see you're an expert.

If your 12 year old son downloads an aimbot there are grounds to sue him in a civil court case.

 

[Ismaul]

Yes because the others in the match with him totally have a choice in an automated matchmaking system, amirite

I meant Epic, don't be daft.

They can ban someone, temporarily or permanently, instead of going to fucking court. But maybe they didn't develop the feature yet?

Yes, they can ban a player in a free to play game. Very effective. I see you're an expert.

It's tied to an Epic account. They can ban it. They can IP ban. And if he uses a VPN and creates many accounts, they'll just have to hunt him down again, learn to identify him. Eventually he'll tire out. Whatever.

But you don't go trying to fix a very minor offense by making a bigger one yourself, in this case dragging a kid to court.

 

[Sentinel]

Yes because the others in the match with him totally have a choice in an automated matchmaking system, amirite

I meant Epic, don't be daft.

They can ban someone, temporarily or permanently, instead of going to fucking court. But maybe they didn't develop the feature yet?

Yes, they can ban a player in a free to play game. Very effective. I see you're an expert.

It's tied to an Epic account. They can ban it. They can IP ban. And if he uses a VPN and creates many accounts, they'll just have to hunt him down again, learn to identify him. Eventually he'll tire out. Whatever.

But you don't go trying to fix a very minor offense by making a bigger one yourself, in this case dragging a kid to court.

You're very naive if you think hackers will "eventually tire out", especially in free to play games. These are, 80% of the times, mentally ill people with about 10 smurfs on average. Even linking your account to your phone number isn't a very effective way, because these people go to the lengths of getting different burner phones just to keep hacking.
If these people are hurting your customers and by extension your business, you should have every right to legally pursue the matter. If they're "just a kid", then don't worry, no court will throw them in jail for it. Every civilized country has legislation for minor offenders.

 

[racofer]

Found the chink.

 

[Sentinel]

You don't need to take my word for it.

 

[J1M]

If cheating is a problem, fix the exploits.

If the same person keeps finding exploits, hire him.

If the same person keeps using exploits created by others, flag his account so he only joins matches with other cheaters.

 

[Sentinel]

Ah yes, that totally solves the problem of alternate accounts.
And the idea of rewarding cheat makers by giving them all jobs? Sublime. Not only is it completely sustainable, but also behaviour you want to promote.

 

[Citizen]

Ah yes, that totally solves the problem of alternate accounts.
And the idea of rewarding cheat makers by giving them all jobs? Sublime. Not only is it completely sustainable, but also behaviour you want to promote.

If you are dealing with dumb schoolkidz, who just use cheats made by others, you ban them and fix the exploits they used = problem solved
If there's a kid that comes up with new exploits faster then you fix them (and faster then your test team discovers them), yeah, fucking hire him and replace your test team

 

[Perkel]

I want more cheaters. The more cheaters there are the less people will play multiplayer games and the more focus will be on single player games.

Fuck multiplayer games. (co-op games are ok though)

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

 

[abija]

Wtf are you talking about with "fix the exploits" in the case of aimbots?

 

[Perkel]

Wtf are you talking about with "fix the exploits" in the case of aimbots?

aimbots only exist because most of code in local not server side.

 

[Reinhardt]

If cheating is a problem, fix the exploits.

If the same person keeps finding exploits, hire him.

If the same person keeps using exploits created by others, flag his account so he only joins matches with other cheaters.

Nah, sounds like work.

 

[abija]

aimbots only exist because most of code in local not server side.

Everything required for aimbots (final render and input) have to be on the client. How the actual fuck do you expect to fix it server side?

 

[Perkel]

Hmmm idk, i guess making input resolve server side would do the trick. But it would add latency.

 

[Tacgnol]

And the idea of rewarding cheat makers by giving them all jobs? Sublime. Not only is it completely sustainable, but also behaviour you want to promote.

Worked well for Denuvo with hiring ex-crackers, at least in the beginning.

 

[abija]

Hmmm idk, i guess making input resolve server side would do the trick.

Do you try to understand what you say/post from time to time at least?

 

[Perkel]

Hmmm idk, i guess making input resolve server side would do the trick.

Do you try to understand what you say/post from time to time at least?

Do you understand what "idk" stands for ?

But yeah picture scripts would be hard to deal with. I am guessing AI deep learning can fix those as it can basically notice if someone is playing differently than what human player could play.

 

[Sentinel]

Ah yes, that totally solves the problem of alternate accounts.
And the idea of rewarding cheat makers by giving them all jobs? Sublime. Not only is it completely sustainable, but also behaviour you want to promote.

If you are dealing with dumb schoolkidz, who just use cheats made by others, you ban them and fix the exploits they used = problem solved
If there's a kid that comes up with new exploits faster then you fix them (and faster then your test team discovers them), yeah, fucking hire him and replace your test team

You aren't fixing the supply side of the problem. You think you're the first person to think of and implement these revolutionary ideas in 20 years of widespread online games? Jesus christ dude use your fucking brain.
I even posted a video where you have a fucking Valve employee addressing all of these issues. You're not Einstein. Valve has thought of everything you'll ever think of and more. Additionally, they've implemented all of it and know it isn't effective.

 

[Drakron]

Hmmm idk, i guess making input resolve server side would do the trick.

Do you try to understand what you say/post from time to time at least?

Do you understand what "idk" stands for ?

But yeah picture scripts would be hard to deal with. I am guessing AI deep learning can fix those as it can basically notice if someone is playing differently than what human player could play.

It reminds me of Captcha that got so insane that to prove you were human that solving it was more proving you were a script since no fucking way people could recognize that as letters.
In a way its amusing things are getting to the point where people have to prove they are not cheating, every time they try to "up" the game with anti-cheating all they do is making scripts more advanced because the program cannot tell were exactly how commands were input, only they were ... you could try to make it so things that are simply impossible for humans to do (like perfect hit-scan shoots for example) or that should be outside the design (such as BDO speed-hacks) would be recognizable as cheating but this leads to a question, if you are making a game and making it so people dont automate it then ... what game is that? a boring repetitive game people rather not play and will automate instead?

And since its nearly 2020 were Games as Live Services are common ... we know the answer to that question. Not saying there will never competitive games were people wont cheat but ... its reaching the point were they are demanding blood and urine samples of all players before the game even starts.

 

[JarlFrank]

Fuck multiplayer games. (co-op games are ok though)

Co-op is far, far worse than competitive multiplayer.

I don't want to rely on other retards when I play a game in multi. I want to fight against other retards. Co-op vs AI is shit and not fun.

 

[Reinhardt]

Codex needs co-op tb blobber with 8+ characters in party.

 

[J_C]

Fuck multiplayer games. (co-op games are ok though)

Co-op is far, far worse than competitive multiplayer.

I don't want to rely on other retards when I play a game in multi. I want to fight against other retards. Co-op vs AI is shit and not fun.

Solution: find some friends who are not retards and play co-op with them. I can't even imagine why would anyone play co-op with random strangers.