Europa Universalis IV

[Jarpie]

They kinda fucked up the missions IMO, mission to core/convert provinces grants something like 10-25 admin/diplo power and it costs 10-15 times more so those missions are kinda pointless. Same with conquer/annex missions.

Edit: Also conquer missions doesn't grant cores anymore.

 

[Average Manatee]

Well yeah, the point is that you want to convert/core those provinces anyway and the missions make is cheaper. Otherwise it would be too easy to game the system and get free shit the whole game.

Convert culture missions are pretty useless though, since you can just ignore culture. The return on monarch mana is just horrible.

Conquer missions not granting cores I'm OK with, but there should at least be different levels of claims, with fabricated claims being the least helpful and "I've just formed italy/germany/india/etc, gimme my land" being the strongest.

 

[RedScum]

They are not supposed to give you a major award anymore as far as i know, more like minor hints on what you can do.

 

[Sranchammer]

They kinda fucked up the missions IMO, mission to core/convert provinces grants something like 10-25 admin/diplo power and it costs 10-15 times more so those missions are kinda pointless. Same with conquer/annex missions.

Edit: Also conquer missions doesn't grant cores anymore.

I'm thinking missions should be scrapped all together.

 

[Grinolf]

Country specific and colonization missions usually pretty useful. And there are also stability boost and vassalization ones.
Also nice to have missions, that give minor diplomacy boost for some diplomacy action or minor adm boost for taking province you had claim on. But mission generator sucks massively, so waiting 20-30 years for decent mission is not uncommon.

 

[Average Manatee]

If you set a rival there is a high chance you get missions to claim and take their provinces. Claiming especially is nice, 25 military points a pop for them.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

The real kickass missions are the Fort building types. You're basically buying Army Tradition with those. After 1500s, my Sweden never dipped below 90 Tradition.

 

[Average Manatee]

But the most kickass of all is "defeat rebels". +2 stability just for clearing your own lands out.

 

[Mortmal]

1/3 missions are building forts in border provinces, i dont need them they could scrap that completely and and automatically grant the traditon points ,thats useless micro. Its either that or conquering provinces i have no interest into at the moment, provinces that will require a 100 diplo cultural shift and grant 10 points . They should replace them by a few more siginificant missions with real rewards.

 

[Sranchammer]

I deleted all missions, flavor events (for now) and achievements from my personal mod. I found them too...commoner for my tastes.

I'm considering scrapping cores altogether and replace it with ethnic/religious components

 

[Luzur]

well, seems i got myself an eternal personal union with Lithuania as Sweden (on my third king now, the union still continues), which is kinda nice i guess.

dont unions dissolve after awhile or something? i never had personal unions for this long in EUIII.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Negative prestige/low legitimacy can dissolve the union on monarch death, I think.

 

[Average Manatee]

Not sure on the prestige or legitimacy. Having low relations (less than 0) SHOULD dissolve the union (it always did in EU3, and the monarch tooltip in EU4 says it will), but it seems to only very rarely do so. But basically if you keep things running well your unions will last forever. And if they break free you'll immediately have a CB to restore the union (though the timer is reset and you take aggressive expansion again).

Inheriting is different. Inheriting large countries basically doesn't work, you get huge penalties so that the chance to inherit on monarch death is less than zero. Integrating takes 50 years before you can start + you need 190 relations.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Luzur

Did Finnish warriors do well for Vasa?

 

[Luzur]

Luzur

Did Finnish warriors do well for Vasa?

you always do well with us.

 

[Luzur]

Not sure on the prestige or legitimacy. Having low relations (less than 0) SHOULD dissolve the union (it always did in EU3, and the monarch tooltip in EU4 says it will), but it seems to only very rarely do so. But basically if you keep things running well your unions will last forever. And if they break free you'll immediately have a CB to restore the union (though the timer is reset and you take aggressive expansion again).

Inheriting is different. Inheriting large countries basically doesn't work, you get huge penalties so that the chance to inherit on monarch death is less than zero. Integrating takes 50 years before you can start + you need 190 relations.

well they love us and we tolerate them (if i understood the relations thing right) so i guess im fine then.

i had a personal union with a Greater Poland (Lithuania annexed) as Sweden in EU3 once, all was well for some 40 years when suddenly their king died and i auto-inherited it all kinda unprepared, and grew to almost xboxhueg eastern colossus in one big swoop, it was glorious for around 5-10 years (lotsa rebels) but then Hungary-Austria Ukraine-Russia alliances declared war since they had claims on Polish soil, so it went to shit after that.

it looked kinda like this (drawn from memory):

i effectively divided Europe in two halves.

 

[oscar]

Why did my claims as Germany expire? Seems like they should be permanent.

 

[Average Manatee]

Making the game actually work is what the Expansion is for.

Amusingly, Paradox didn't even manage to switch all of the decisions to give claims. There's at least one that still uses the old EU3 code giving cores.

 

[KoolNoodles]

Why did my claims as Germany expire? Seems like they should be permanent.

When I formed the Mughal Empire I got claims on all of India, naturally, but they expired fairly quickly. I think it was 10 years or less before they all disappeared, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm assuming a bug or oversight.

 

[Malakal]

Claims expire after 25 years IIRC which is plenty. Cores on same culture provinces dont expire ever.

Also would anyone be interested in some MP of eu4 now that we have tried out and learned sp?

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Overall it's still a really good release though. Most of the issues are just rough around the edges kind, not HoI3-is-a-fucking-snail or AHD-has-broken-pop-growth kind.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Any good mods out there yet?

 

[Sranchammer]

I'd wager it'll be a long while if you're looking for a complete overhaul.

 

[Malakal]

Any good mods out there yet?

MEIOU+Taxes going out at the end of this month.

 

[Average Manatee]

Overall it's still a really good release though. Most of the issues are just rough around the edges kind, not HoI3-is-a-fucking-snail or AHD-has-broken-pop-growth kind.

Ehh, the clusterfuck of monarch mana and the new core/OE system are just bad to the bone, and their usage has a lot of bad implications for other mechanics. I'd make a comparison to Civ5's one unit per tile change. It's just a fundamentally bad design decision that holds the game back. And it's not something you can just mod out.