Why would we? We only interview developers that make RPG's.
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Fallout 4 Pre-Release Discussion [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]
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Why would we? We only interview developers that make RPG's.
Kalasanty11
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One of the things (well, maybe the only thing) I liked about this trailer. Bethesda staying the fuck away from west coast, maybe just leaving it for better developers. There were some theories that F4 is going to take place in Montana or even Seattle, that got me worried that Beth could be going to fuck up lore of the west. Decent lore and quest design are basically only things I hope for after turning franchise into hiking sim and popamole.
Modron
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Yeah but did he ever achieve his dream of rainfall leading to realistic puddle formation and flooding and shit?
There's a difference between explaining a rationale and defending it. Jaesun said "for whatever reason", implying that there was no substantial reason for Moira to survive the bomb. I saw an obvious reason and explained it. That's it.
What, you think Todd Howard and Bethesda are pure, satanic, anti-paladin eeeevil? You're no better than the designers who give you the "choices" of puppy kicking and kitten saving. There's room for thoughtful discussion about their stupid designs, even on the Codex.
Necroscope
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uaciaut
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Consequence is kind of the main thing that builds replay value, yes. Whether i kill the humans in tenpenny tower for the ghouls to come in or not doesn't really make any difference, and aside from 3dog's comments on the radio and some karma gain/loss it's a pointless decision.
It's hard to explain but i truely believe Bethesda are completely autistic when it comes to creating a game from a story-telling perspective, it just feels that whatever they try to do is barren.
I mean i can actually imagine their dev meetings going something like
"- So we're building an open world but we have to have these things called quests so the person playing doesn't just throw the game away when he's bored of exploring, so these quests how do we do them?
- Oh we can make something about vampires in, throw a romanian refference, some uber items and make maybe a dramatic buildup or something?
- Maybe a quest about robots with souls and how they're being oppressed but there's a hipster group that wants to protect them, it's like terminator meets the iron giant".
I never felt any of the "factions", characters, etc, maybe some quest ideas were good at the start but hardly any are memorable or interesting and most of the time the choice you do make to bring an end to a quest simply falls down to whether bethesda wants to make you rp someone good (positive karma) or bad (negative karma).
It doesn't even compare to New Vegas, i remember finishing Dead Money actually made me sad and i found all the characters therein to be fucking great. NV had things that irked me as well - HH being kind of soulless (i presume it's Sawyer's hand though i actually think highly of Sawyer as a game dev on some aspects), not really being able to empathize with Ulysses - whom i suspect the devs wanted to seem a lot more complex than he actually is as well, OWB going a bit too dumb with their humour (which i enjoyed up to a point), etc.
Idk how you find F3 to be replayable once you get bored of exploring unless you really want to roleplay somone bad after roleplaying someone good.
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Holy fuck that was an amazing read
pippin
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When I saw that I started noticing all the deformed bodies in NV as well.
I mean, look at this
I mean, look at this
Clockwork Knight
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Thought that was a gif, kept waiting for his head to spin. 
Stainless Veteran
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Thought that was a gif, kept waiting for his head to spin.
Lemming42
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"Dialogue wasn't a battle we wanted to pick. ... we just don't have unlimited monkeys and typewriters." - Pete Hines, Bethesda.
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Clockwork Knight
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Imagine the world-shattering butthurt if he decided he wanted nothing to do with such a psycho anymore (you'll probably poison the water) and you failed the main quest for something you did hours ago?
Lemming42
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The best part is Liam Neeson's completely bewildered delivery. He must have thought he was in some kind of magnificently-orchestrated prank show where the aim was to get him to read the stupidest lines ever written.
Space Satan
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Typical Fallout 3
You found 2 crates, one opened, another with medium lock.
Opened contains 5 mines, closed one is filled with 3 mines.
Because Bethesda.
You found 2 crates, one opened, another with medium lock.
Opened contains 5 mines, closed one is filled with 3 mines.
Because Bethesda.
prodigydancer
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HURRY GUYS PREPURCAHSE NAOW!!!
Horsefeathers. There are dozens of reasons to want to replay a game. C&C certainly is one, but not the only one. You want me to list some?
How about you think about the last 5 games you replayed? RPGs or not? Maybe you could link your Steam library so we can see how many hours you've put in on games without C&C. Money, mouth.
Agreed. Remember ... I never said Fallout 3 has substantial C&C. It seems you are hung up on this as the only thing that makes any game replayable. It's possible that that's true for you, but frankly that makes you a weirdo.
Let me interject a personal question, if I may: I notice you have a Wizardry 8 avatar. Great game! I've played it through at least three times. How about you? Did you make one party, stick with it to the end, and then never play it again?
No argument here. Don't make the same mistake others have made and think I'm a Bethesda fanboy who believes Fallout 3 is pure gold.
But this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Good writing would certainly help, but bad writing doesn't mean the game isn't replayable.
Ah! So there is replay value if you like role-playing in role-playing games. I think the point is made.
And incidentally, the stupid ass karma meter is not the only thing that provides roleplay opportunities in that game. In fact I pretty much ignored it. I didn't play through with a "lawful stupid" character and then a "chaotic stupid" character, or ride the Paragon/Renegade meter for the bonuses. That's not roleplaying.
I'll also repeat that different character builds make for a very different experience. (As one example, I completed the game with only two kills using a stealth character.)
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pippin
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Many people find FO3 replayable because they find stuff they missed on their previous playthrough(s). This is actually not that rare or even easily avoidable since most stuff is *way* out of your path. I found the Republic of Dave only because 3 Dog talked about it. The building with the Lincoln worshippers, I found that by accident. Which is weird because the first time I played it I missed the GNR bulding because I never managed to find my way through the Metro system, reaching Rivet City first (the wiki states you can visit the Tranquility Lane vault without even going to GNR or Rivet City 
).
Granted, in New Vegas you can skip many paths as well, but at least when you talk to NPCs they reveal important locations. In FO3, you'll find Canterbury Commons and the Oasis through this method, and I don't think those are absolutely important for the game.
).Granted, in New Vegas you can skip many paths as well, but at least when you talk to NPCs they reveal important locations. In FO3, you'll find Canterbury Commons and the Oasis through this method, and I don't think those are absolutely important for the game.
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