Fallout Fallout 4 Thread

[Jick Magger]

You were unfrozen just so you could watch your spouse get shot for no reason, then Kellogg re-froze you after absconding with Shaun. As to why all the other cryogenic pods mysteriously stop working, fuck knows.

Actually, you can see during your trip through Kellogg's memory that they had to unfreeze everybody in order to get to your wife/husband. You can check all the other pods while the sequence is happening and everyone's clearly awake. From there they just didn't re-freeze everyone, and they died from whatever.

The real question is why they decided to re-freeze you and only you, when at that point there's no logical reason for them not to just leave you to die from oxygen deprivation like the rest of the vault inhabitants. There's even a brief bit shown after you lose consciousness where one of the Institute scientists takes extra time to fiddle with the console for the pods, implying that he's ensuring that you keep frozen or everyone else but you does not. I think I read somewhere that they wanted to keep you as a 'back-up', but then there's no reason for them to kill everyone else when they'd have a ready supply of back-ups. Even Kellogg expresses confusion over this, saying there's no good reason to keep you alive and that you'll just go after them for revenge the minute you wake up.

 

[Jozoz]

Fallout 4 has 84 on metacritic.

I wonder if Todd gets paid less

 

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

The computers controlling the pod system mention that the sudden release caused the rest of the system to collapse and the life support to go offline. If you're the back-up as Kellogg calls you during the scene they would have paid enough attention to make sure yours was reactivated. The rest? Eh, they're on a schedule and none of these living relics from a different time are worth saving. The Institute is looking towards the future, not the past. *so edgy*

 

[ArchAngel]

Yeah, for the whole game

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/978/?

Mostly landscapes, but they are the cause of most of the performance issues.

That is interesting but it is still being developed. I can wait. Also game runs well outside villages and cities. I only need a fix for those areas. Supposedly beta patch for it fixes performance, I am waiting for it to exit beta stage. But without more improvements I don't see myself playing it a lot more.
The vanilla game is pretty bad. I will need some really good mods to get back to playing it.
But compared to Skyrim I at least want to play it more when mods fix it, for Skyrim I never wanted to go back after I quit vanilla version.

 

[Kazuki]

Interesting topic being discussed at Bethesda Forum

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1565796-i-find-your-lack-of-rpg-disturbing/page-1

Edit : My Favorite

Todd Howard worked himself up from almost nothing in the gaming industry. He is just an inspiration in how someone should act when working in this industry. Down to earth, passionate about games, charismatic when talking about his product. I understand people not liking his vision, but you cannot deny his talent.

I feel since Daggerfall and going foward Bethesda has focused on streamlining, and i don't mean removing depth, making things easier to learn, but still providing depth and fun. Fallout 4 is no exception for me, it is a good game with depth, but it lacks certain features other Fallout games has had, and its mostly about dialogue. I think that the dialogue system needs work, but i don't want it removed. I want it polished and used to its full capability. It has potential and they need to unlock it. I still think the game is an RPG, but its an Action RPG, like all Bethesda games.

 

[RK47]

The enforced four choices at every dialogue doesn't spell potential.
It spells fucking stupid.

 

[Veelq]

I like to think about the Sarcastic option as on that chinese fortune cookie

 

[Metro]

His talent? For what? Playing the system?

 

[Jick Magger]

So I've realized that your romanceale companions can't take no for an answer. You can tell them that you just want to remain friends, but if you ever dismiss them then approach them again they'll re-initiate the dialogue which allows you to romance them. Since I exiled all my companions to Spectacle island because there's no way of actually telling which settlement your companion's at after you've dismissed them and fuck going through each and every settlement to find them should I forget, every time I go there to get a companion MacCready walks up to me and lets me know how desperately he wants the D, every single time.

Funny story for Spectacle Island too: I kept losing provisioners every time I'd send one there from The Castle. So once I got sufficiently annoyed by this, I decided to send one more person out and followed them to see what was happening. Turns out they've been swimming to Spectacle Island and wound up drowning. Had to send a fucking Mr. Handy from Greygarden there instead.

 

[RK47]

So I've realized that your romanceale companions can't take no for an answer. You can tell them that you just want to remain friends, but if you ever dismiss them then approach them again they'll re-initiate the dialogue which allows you to romance them. Since I exiled all my companions to Spectacle island because there's no way of actually telling which settlement your companion's at after you've dismissed them and fuck going through each and every settlement to find them should I forget, every time I go there to get a companion MacCready walks up to me and lets me know how desperately he wants the D, every single time.

He wants your Little Lamp Post.

 

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Yeah, for the whole game

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/978/?

Mostly landscapes, but they are the cause of most of the performance issues.

If you're running the game on a standard hard drive you might want to avoid it, though. It changes things around so your game starts accessing storage a lot more often, and if your drive isn't an SSD you get to see plenty of non-loaded textures pop into place. Wherever you look there's something with the basic shape and color, but none of the detail. His response to people noting this is basically, "Why isn't your Fallout 4 on an SSD?"

 

[Bradylama]

Not having an SSD is like being a caveman.

 

[Makabb]

so edgy

 

[Curious_Tongue]

 

[ArchAngel]

Not having an SSD is like being a caveman.

I don't about your country but over here they are way overpriced.

 

[Kutulu]

But nobody will ever have something this massive at home Curious_Tongue, stuff like this is reserved for the
fine suit wearing gentlemen working for IBM. And yes this image is amazing.

 

[Sykar]

So I've realized that your romanceale companions can't take no for an answer. You can tell them that you just want to remain friends, but if you ever dismiss them then approach them again they'll re-initiate the dialogue which allows you to romance them. Since I exiled all my companions to Spectacle island because there's no way of actually telling which settlement your companion's at after you've dismissed them and fuck going through each and every settlement to find them should I forget, every time I go there to get a companion MacCready walks up to me and lets me know how desperately he wants the D, every single time.

He wants your Little Lamp Post.

Need fresh meat in Little Lamplight I guess.

Spoiler

 

[Bliblablubb]

So just to recap, the Institute is completely sealed off from the outside world to the point that they can only get in or out with teleportation, but they were still somehow exposed to radiation and/or FEV; and they can arrest aging but they can't cure cancer.

Didn't they experiment with FEV? So it's the classic case of playing with fire and getting burned. Science is evul, let's pray more.
In a world where the player can heal crippled limbs or near death with one meager and overabundant 200 yo stimpack, deadly radiation is cured by flooding your blood with a the contents of a handy plastic bag on the road and addictions are cured by homebrewed cocktails, cancer is still a death sentence.

"Shut up player, it is a speshul form of cancer, the dreaded Bethesda cancer!"

Wait, do I detect a secret message here?

Once the Bethesda cancer has befallen your favorite franchise body, it has to die a long painful death while bystanders weap bitter tears.

 

[Killzig]

You are refrozen after he's taken.

After you meet him he explains that he finally had you let out because he was curious what you were like and how you would do in the world.

I feel like the story had various drafts that were fucked with late into production. Doesn't Nick Valentine mention that Kellogg was seen in town with a kid rather recently?

Yeah. That kid was a synth.

That was the robo-synth? Seemed like he hadn't left the lab, ever from the interactions you have with him and the logs.

You are refrozen after he's taken.

After you meet him he explains that he finally had you let out because he was curious what you were like and how you would do in the world.

I feel like the story had various drafts that were fucked with late into production. Doesn't Nick Valentine mention that Kellogg was seen in town with a kid rather recently?

It was so recent that the DC government confiscated his property and put it on lockdown for being behind on his taxes.

If it hadn't been used since the real Shaun was that age that would have been what? 50-60 years?

 

[Bliblablubb]

The real question is why they decided to re-freeze you and only you, when at that point there's no logical reason for them not to just leave you to die from oxygen deprivation like the rest of the vault inhabitants.

The Cereal guy states in the beginning your are the backup plan (not HIS plan), and while surfing his memories he clearly states he wanted to kill you right on the spot, but he had his orders. He did expect you to come knocking, since he knows the power of being revenge driven. While I don't think it is ever addressed, I assume the original plan was to leave both parents alive, but the loose cannon went a little overboard here, so he was only left with one spare. Maybe the original institute leader even planned for the parent to succeed the child, because of unconditional love to offsprings and that stuff would make them follow his inoctrinated points of view. Since my first run was with a female toon, I understood the "backup plan" a little different back then...
For the other V111 inhabitants, maybe they were too old, bad genes or the unqualified user only managed to refreeze one pod in time after initiating emergency thawing.

Doesn't matter in the long run, since the architect pops defreezed you mostly to get rid of the Cereal guy, because he had outlived his usefulness reasons and shit.

I feel like the story had various drafts that were fucked with late into production. Doesn't Nick Valentine mention that Kellogg was seen in town with a kid rather recently?

Nah, father just painted a big red circle on Kellog's head by planting him there, so you would tie up the loose ends. Kelogg is aware of that.

 

[Curious_Tongue]

 

[ArchAngel]

The real question is why they decided to re-freeze you and only you, when at that point there's no logical reason for them not to just leave you to die from oxygen deprivation like the rest of the vault inhabitants.

The Cereal guy states in the beginning your are the backup plan (not HIS plan), and while surfing his memories he clearly states he wanted to kill you right on the spot, but he had his orders. He did expect you to come knocking, since he knows the power of being revenge driven. While I don't think it is ever addressed, I assume the original plan was to leave both parents alive, but the loose cannon went a little overboard here, so he was only left with one spare. Maybe the original institute leader even planned for the parent to succeed the child, because of unconditional love to offsprings and that stuff would make them follow his inoctrinated points of view. Since my first run was with a female toon, I understood the "backup plan" a little different back then...
For the other V111 inhabitants, maybe they were too old, bad genes or the unqualified user only managed to refreeze one pod in time after initiating emergency thawing.

Doesn't matter in the long run, since the architect pops defreezed you mostly to get rid of the Cereal guy, because he had outlived his usefulness reasons and shit.

I feel like the story had various drafts that were fucked with late into production. Doesn't Nick Valentine mention that Kellogg was seen in town with a kid rather recently?

Nah, father just painted a big red circle on Kellog's head by planting him there, so you would tie up the loose ends. Kelogg is aware of that.

Pops? Father?
Isn't he your son? Or you are calling him that because synths call him that?

 

[Killzig]

I feel like the story had various drafts that were fucked with late into production. Doesn't Nick Valentine mention that Kellogg was seen in town with a kid rather recently?

Nah, father just painted a big red circle on Kellog's head by planting him there, so you would tie up the loose ends. Kelogg is aware of that.

So Cornflakes has some kind of Todestrieb then? That confrontation was pretty disappointing, like many things in the game.

 

[Bliblablubb]

Pops? Father?
Isn't he your son? Or you are calling him that because synths call him that?

They call him father, I just ran with it. The irony being "father" calling you... father.

So Cornflakes has some kind of Todestrieb then? That confrontation was pretty disappointing, like many things in the game.

Babbie clearly states he was a dangerous man, kept only in check by employing him. Maybe he got out of hand, maybe he couldn't get rid of him without defying the rest of the institute or maybe babbie just wanted to give you revenge to bring you on his side.
Either way, I didn't find it disappointing. My toon saying something like "If I die, I hope I come back to kill you again" before inhaling psychojet and unloading 24 bullets into his ugly mug was pretty satisfying. Still surprised 24 headshots even left enough brain chunks to continue.

I remember reading the incident at university point was actually an accident. The institute wanted to make the commonwealth a better place, but some super reactor below UP blew up, leading to so much paranoia and mistrust that they just decided to leave those ungrateful maggots to their own devices.
So "slavery" aside, they are not evil people, being detached from the outside for that long just gave them a weird moral compass. Similar to FO2's Vault Shitty.
I haven't tried joining the institute, so I am curious if you can actually change their ways after taking over... Probably not. Although having to wipe out all other factions doesn't exactly leave much room for improving the sheeple's opinions.

 

[Akratus]

My name is Fuckballs Titties.

Husband to a murdered wife.

Father to a kidnapped son.

And I will have my revenge.

In this quicksave, or the next.