Community Fargo and Co to party like it's 1988 + New 30$ tier

[Havoc]

To whiners: Ok, so what's your idea to make people jump from 15$ to 30$?

 

[Nattvardsvin]

How about anything that isn't in-game content.
Novella, fine. Concept art, fine.
Additional portraits, bullshit.

 

[FeelTheRads]

So a person buying the game when it's released instead, gets to have less in-game content simply because he wasn't one of the special people that pre-ordered? Fuck that shit, it's gay as hell.
Heres an idea. Why not, you know, have those additional portraits, implemented into the base game instead, available for everyone? Just a thought.

Simple. Because many don't really care about the game or care more about being "special" than about the game. And apparently they're a substantial number since developers cater to them.

Why aren't extra rewards (physical or digital) enough and they want to mess up the game as much as possible, I don't know.

 

[Brother None]

What is the point of having that additional shit only for backers.

Some of the physical bonuses won't be available post-release either. Wanna gripe about that too? Don't forget the pledger-only quirky skill.

For fuck's sake, dudes, it's just a few aesthetic extras. Comparing it to preorder and day-0/promotional DLC that actual impacts gameplay and game balance is ridiculous.

Simple. Because many don't really care about the game or care more about being "special" than about the game. And apparently they're a substantial number since developers cater to them.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

EDIT: wait, the vanity tiers? That's not really the topic here. Regardless, I think you overvalue their impact. inXile isn't selling bits of design. The collectible artefacts have fanwritten backstories, everything else is just slapping a name on an existing NPC/weapon/location, or shamefully hiding away a troll statue in a basement somewhere.

 

[Temaperacl]

Can't speak for anyone else, but:

Some of the physical bonuses won't be available post-release either. Wanna gripe about that too?

I don't since that isn't in the game itself.

Don't forget the pledger-only quirky skill.

Remember that many people objected to that too, even if it didn't impact gameplay.

For fuck's sake, dudes, it's just a few aesthetic extras. Comparing it to preorder and day-0/promotional DLC that actual impacts gameplay and game balance is ridiculous.

It is still changing the game based on how much you put into it or when you put into it. In that sense, it is the same as preorder bonuses/promo DLC/whatever. Sure, it can be argued that it isn't as bad since it doesn't change the balance of the game, but just because something isn't as bad doesn't make it good.

 

[Brayko]

It's done

Previous reward + Downloadable DRM free digital soundtrack by Mark Morgan and digital WASTELAND 2 CONCEPT ART BOOK + Extra Digital Downloadable copy of game DRM free for PC or MAC OSX or Linux + Exclusive Ranger portrait collection + Access to Four episode Video Dev Blog. Also receive a Novella on the Wasteland 2 world created by Chris Avellone

 

[Nattvardsvin]

For fuck's sake, dudes, it's just a few aesthetic extras.

Doesn't matter.
It's a piss in the face to the people that payed $15 expecting the full game, only to be told later that they now have to pay 15 more if they want to unlock the full content.

 

[FeelTheRads]

wait, the vanity tiers?

I'm talking about anything that changes the game for just some people, whether it's just aesthetic or more.

But OK, then why don't they keep the item/statue/all that shit just for the people who backed the game as well? Maybe I don't want to see Billy Bob's face/shotgun/girlfriend in the game. Why is that forced on me while being denied items or portraits or whatever?
Then Billy Bob can just go fuck himself with his special version that he can brag with to his friends.
I do hope they hide this as much as possible (like the Arcanum fan graveyard which I never found) but there's so many of them that I'm afraid they'd just be sprinkled all over the game world and you'll stumble into them at every corner.

 

[Burning Bridges]

As one of the people who paid 15$, I think they need something to motivate people to pay 30$ or more, so I'm fine with this. It's still retarded though.

This is a PC game. I can mod in my own stuff, what do I care about portraits.

 

[FeelTheRads]

It's done

Previous reward + Downloadable DRM free digital soundtrack by Mark Morgan and digital WASTELAND 2 CONCEPT ART BOOK + Extra Digital Downloadable copy of game DRM free for PC or MAC OSX or Linux + Exclusive Ranger portrait collection + Access to Four episode Video Dev Blog. Also receive a Novella on the Wasteland 2 world created by Chris Avellone

So, are these available for higher tiers too?

 

[Black]

Good news... @ChrisAvellone just agreed to write a Wasteland novella for the $30 tier. We'll add that to the list.

Hahah suck on that haters.

Suck on what, MC?

 

[Burning Bridges]

wait, the vanity tiers?

I'm talking about anything that changes the game for just some people, whether it's just aesthetic or more.

But OK, then why don't they keep the item/statue/all that shit just for the people who backed the game as well? Maybe I don't want to see Billy Bob's face/shotgun/girlfriend in the game. Why is that forced on me while being denied items or portraits or whatever?
Then Billy Bob can just go fuck himself with his special version that he can brag with to his friends.
I do hope they hide this as much as possible (like the Arcanum fan graveyard which I never found) but there's so many of them that I'm afraid they'd just be sprinkled all over the game world and you'll stumble into them at every corner.

I am concerned about that too. If the stuff gets in the way it would be a disaster. But as I said, people obviously need motivation to pledge more, and hopefully the backer crap can be hidden in some corner or modded out.

 

[Brother None]

But OK, then why don't they keep the item/statue/all that shit just for the people who backed the game as well? Maybe I don't want to see Billy Bob's face/shotgun/girlfriend in the game. Why is that forced on me while being denied items or portraits or whatever?

Items? What? Just for the people who backed it? Huh?

Again, it's just a bunch of names. If you didn't know about the drive at all, you probably wouldn't even notice. Other than saying "wow, they sure spent a lot of time coming up with unique names for useless junkies and random bums!"

It's a piss in the face to the people that payed $15 expecting the full game, only to be told later that they now have to pay 15 more if they want to unlock the full content.

Piss in the face, huh? Full content, you say?

It's not like anyone who cares about portraits will in all likelihood be able to import his own into the game. So the only people who this actually matters for (I don't really give a shit about party portraits and I would guess some people feel the same way) are probably the least affected by this.

Yes, it's "exclusive" content. But it's vanity content. It doesn't change your gameplay experience in any way.

 

[Nattvardsvin]

With the ability to import your own portraits it might not be a big issue, but it's still the whole concept of having exclusive in-game content for higher payment that personally I'm not for at all.

 

[Outlander]

I'm against exclusive in-game content, even if it's only aesthetic.

 

[Infinitron]

Remember Merchant's Friend? It came with the Limited Edition of NWN2.

Notice the download link.

 

[Outlander]

Remember Merchant's Friend? It came with the Limited Edition of NWN2.

Notice the download link.

So? NWN2 was published by Atari.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

I wanna fuck you guys in your ingamecontent.

 

[commie]

inXile wrote:

Access to a collection of exclusive Ranger portraits that will double the pool of character portraits you have to choose from at the start of the game when you are rolling up your Rangers. This unique image collection will not only give you more Ranger portraits, but more Ranger icons used to display your party location on the world map.

Two things: all the herpa derp about "baaawww exclusiv content suxxors" is pretty fucking lame. A few extra portraits? You whiny bastards will no doubt get them in a patch later on or some fucker will unlock them or you'll be able to use the mod kit to put a picture of your shriveled penis as an avatar. FAARK.

Secondly: Seems that it will have a Wasteland Style overland map after all....

With the ability to import your own portraits it might not be a big issue, but it's still the whole concept of having exclusive in-game content for higher payment that personally I'm not for at all.

Well then fuck off and start up your own company to try and make a TB Party RPG from scratch. Ask Fargo how that went...

Jebus, don't you bastards know that this game is only going to exist because of peasants funding it? What better way to encourage them than with shiny baubles?

Had this been done in a traditional publisher/developer funded model and they were offering extra stuff for those that paid more for the game or earlier, then you might have a case(although the companies would say it's user paid DLC, the free market and all that) but with this new method of game funding?

 

[mindx2]

Now this is the Codex that I've always known and loved!!

As for the portraits, eh... it doesn't affect the balance of the game at all and I'm sure they'll be available to "download" almost immediately after release. Plus, the ability to import custom portraits will most likely be included as well. This is nothing like Shadowrun's "backer only" mission which does slice off an actual playable portion of the game.

Finally... we are pledging to back the game so it will be made!!! The tiers and rewards are secondary to and nice bonuses to the whole idea that WASTELAND 2 will actually get made!!!! If you think this is anything like Day-One DLC/ pre-order exclusives by the big boy publishers you'll complain about everything anybody makes no matter what... and it wouldn't be the Codex if you didn't !

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

you'll complain about everything anybody makes no matter what...

Some of you fucktards are going to complain after you've finished Wasteland 2 because you actually loved the game.

 

[Aeschylus]

Portraits are not game content. I think people are just hyper-sensitive at this point with all the ridiculous pre-order exclusives perpetrated by publishers.

The other things they added are pretty cool, though they probably should have expanded the $30 tier earlier.

 

[PorkaMorka]

Portraits are not game content.

Of course they are. Games are a visual medium and graphics part of what you're paying for when you buy a game. And finding enough good portraits for a full party is typically quite difficult.

 

[Nattvardsvin]

Well then fuck off and start up your own company to try and make a TB Party RPG from scratch. Ask Fargo how that went...

Jebus, don't you bastards know that this game is only going to exist because of peasants funding it? What better way to encourage them than with shiny baubles?

Had this been done in a traditional publisher/developer funded model and they were offering extra stuff for those that paid more for the game or earlier, then you might have a case(although the companies would say it's user paid DLC, the free market and all that) but with this new method of game funding?

Nice argument there. "Start you own company then, make your own game!" God I hate that shit.
Also boggles my fucking mind how it suddenly is alright because it's a new method of funding a game project. Like it's needed.

 

[Dexter]

What is the point of having that additional shit only for backers.

Some of the physical bonuses won't be available post-release either. Wanna gripe about that too? Don't forget the pledger-only quirky skill.

For fuck's sake, dudes, it's just a few aesthetic extras. Comparing it to preorder and day-0/promotional DLC that actual impacts gameplay and game balance is ridiculous.

I'm paying considerably more than 15$ since I actually want all of that physical crap in this case. The difference is that's not stuff that is in the game/game content. If Wasteland 2
gets to be as iconic as Fallout and someone buys the game 15 years from now there's always going to be the "super-duper edition" with all that exclusive content hanging around.
It doesn't make me want to pay more for it, but less since I think it's a cunty move...

It's also even the thought process behind it, you got a project that a lot of people are obviously rather enthusiastic for, overshoot the target by almost 3 times and can literally do anything to incentivize people to pledge more or just sit back and watch.
But what happens instead? Oh, let's do that stuff that EA, UbiSoft, Activision, Microsoft and GameStop are doing with all their Exclusive/Special/Pre-Order Bonus Blittipy Bloop Special Edition I heard that's popular with the kids today, THAT'LL get them to spend more money and feel all special, what the fuck? If this happens in frigging fan-funded projects supposed to be made for love and other devs pick it up since Double Fine Adventure and Wasteland 2 are setting examples for them it'll just spread this DLC disease.