Squeenix Final Fantasy VII Remake Integrade - now on Steam

[Beastro]

To me, Jenova was just a mindless alien force. Sephiroth found a way to control her and use her for his crazy plans once he went psycho.

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There's also the fact that Jenova is thrown at you as the penultimate boss before Sephy. You can read into that that after serving to lure you to Sephy she was only good for cannon fodder.

I really, really wish FFVII had been about inverting the typical anime bad ass, where the reputation of Sephy is so big and inflated beyond reality it wound up living on long after he'd died.

Part of me too wishes Cloud's up front story was true, that he had been in Solider and everything in Nibelheim went the way he originally told it so the last we see of the real Sephy is him walking off into flames presumably to keep wandering in his madness until he died. Except for that to work Cloud has to have a flat character arc being just a generic hero, but after establishing Sephy so much Cloud can't have his character arc be fulfilled by confronting an impersonal enemy like Jenova, he needs to face down Sephy again, which then ruins Jenova.

I think it all shows Square's weakness' in throwing random reoccurring things together into their stories. It worked with the simple ones up to FFIII(VI), but once they stepped into something more complex, like the psychological aspects of FFVII mixed with personal and cosmic horror, things began to shake themselves apart. Each of those things worked in FFVII, but they broke other things in the story which results in FFVII being a jumbled mess after you get beyond the first impression.

Things continued the same way with FFVIII, got toned back a bit with FFIX, but it seems they just gave up and continued on with the disharmonious jumble after that save for FFXII which benefited from the coherence of its Ivalice heritage.

But that was Jenova who did that. The whole thing about leaving the sword behind I just took as video game fiat in the same way Cloud isn't shown always handling his sword and it disappears when not needed.

Also there's Jenova killing Aeris as well with what we're supposed to assume is Sephy's sword even though she left it behind in Migard. You can look on it as a plot hole or just accept it as a typical game incongruity.

There's a lot of stuff that's sort of lost in translation with the original game and all the spin offs that came after have also added new explanations to things that perhaps should have remained a mystery. I personally only think of the original story (both English & Japanese versions) as self-contained canon that don't need any further elaboration or clarification.

The issue is that the story tried to make it seem in places that they are literal clones of Sephy or Jenova while in others they're shown to just be poeple simply injected with Jenova cells that are fucked with as a result. The latter explaination turns out to be the real one, as we see with Cloud, but the distinction isn't made clear enough at the end, at least given the localization.

Much like Lavos, Jenova intends to corrupt the Lifestream and suck the life energy out of the planet until it's nothing more than an empty husk, then travel to another planet to do the same thing all over again. Perhaps Hojo was wrong? Perhaps Reunion is a regenerative process that will help Jenova regain her full power. Perhaps she is using meteor to restart her apocalyptic plan all over again.

The big issue is that Black Materia isn't connected to Jenova in any way. It's simply something the planet created.. The Weapos exist for a reason, to protect the planet, while materia is a by product of the Life Stream coalescing on the surface of the planet, probably being an extension of it the way life on the planet is. The only purpose the planet might have to create it would be suicide or something. It's like someone specifically inventing the firearm just in case they want to kill themselves only for someone to break into their house and try to use it kill them during the robbery.

Black Materia is nothing but a plot device. It's materia because materia is an established thing in FFVII, it summons a meteor because Meteor is a reoccurring magic spell in FF and Sephy needs something to present a dire threat to the planet in a way Jenova can't (because Jenova as a threat on her own renders Sephy irrelevant as the main villain) that is also something Cloud can give him to blend into his character arc as a part of his mid-story nadir.

 

[aweigh]

Tigranes is missing the point. None of this Tifa talk has absolutely anything to do with the game or with the character, its legacy, its aesthetic; none of that matters.

This is 100% about politics. The left has deemed Tifa's original character design evil and thus we must fight them, because they're wrong and ideologically possessed. Art can't survive under political correctness.

Oh, btw, Square also already confirmed they're "toning down Honey Bee Inn scenario" due to "modern ethical standards". I imagine people will find a way to apologia this as well, as usual.

"It was outdated humor!", "I'm glad they changed it", etc. You know what these people will say. They're as predictable as as a fart.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I can't even claim to finishing any FF game. Itake it theywon't redo them all in this style? It'd be a never ending franchise repeated. Lordy, hollow deck FF.

 

[aweigh]

Square probably won't even finish this specific remake, as I can definitely see Parts 2 and 3 of FF7 remake cancelled because of not meeting projections or whatever.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

That happens to a lot of games thoughout the ages. Such a waste of effort to not even put out a product.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Square probably won't even finish this specific remake, as I can definitely see Parts 2 and 3 of FF7 remake cancelled because of not meeting projections or whatever.

They released three Final Fantasy 13 games between '09 and '13 and you're thinking they give up on this Final Fantasy 7 remake thing after just the first one? My guess is this game is going to be huge, and one of their best selling FF games.

 

[Viata]

They released 3 FF13 because the first one had so many shit removed from it they could do two more FF games with that alone and not being able to do anything else because they were bleeding money.

 

[Hassar]

https://kotaku.com/what-tetsuya-nomura-actually-said-about-tifas-breasts-i-1835726320

Good Kotaku article translating what was actually said. I think the only people discussing this are reactionaries btw. I never liked Tifa as a character and am gay so am biased from a sexual perspective, but I aesthetically appreciate her design more now. Before, I just thought she looked stupid and like a clownish, blocky attempt to make a sexy woman with all the polygons of Minecraft.

 

[Melcar]

So muh realism strikes again?

 

[Beastro]

Before, I just thought she looked stupid and like a clownish, blocky attempt to make a sexy woman with all the polygons of Minecraft.

You thought that much about it?

As a kid I just took it in stride, same as when I thought Cid's character design was a little odd and pushed together compared to everyone else, but he was just a guy in a weird Japanese game to me.

 

[Cross]

So Tifa's design had to change because the original design was too unrealistic?

You can really see that commitment to realism reflected in the protagonist casually wielding a sword longer than his own height and heavier than his own weight.

 

[Hassar]

Before, I just thought she looked stupid and like a clownish, blocky attempt to make a sexy woman with all the polygons of Minecraft.

You thought that much about it?

As a kid I just took it in stride, same as when I thought Cid's character design was a little odd and pushed together compared to everyone else, but he was just a guy in a weird Japan game.

Eh, not too much but FFVII was released at an interesting time. I was a teen and my hetero friends were going through puberty. They were the ones that pointed it out to me.

 

[Swigen]

Fellas, her tits look plenty big to me...

 

[Utgard-Loki]

so retard real time combat and as insult to injury they reduce waifu milkers.

square enix should just go under already. prferably before they release this POS.

 

[Hyperion]

You're all complaining about her shrunken tiddies, while they gave a Kung Fu girl pencils for thighs.

Thick Thighs Save Lives.

 

[Taxnomore]

The joke is that they are going to make Barrett's tits really huge.

 

[Beastro]

Fellas, her tits look plenty big to me...

"But each of them were the size of her head before and now both combined wouldn't even be that big!" is the reaction you'll get.

This is one of those things where I think it would have been better to keep quiet about and just release rather than explain things given the anticipation from all over. The "everything is political" types have wound up getting many of their opponents to see things the same way, if only preemptively. Aweigh is right even if for different reasons, this isn't a big issue, it's that issues are made so big now the expected fight over it is large.

I mean, I've always found it odd how the later renditions of Cloud made him more Oriental looking when he always came off looking Caucasian. Even in the art around the game he comes off that way, so you can't just say people are reading into distorted pixel faces too much.

But that doesn't come up. Whatever people's opinions are about it are minor and there's no larger fight to be fought over such issues.

You're all complaining about her shrunken tiddies, while they gave a Kung Fu girl pencils for thighs.

Thick Thighs Save Lives.

That actually brings to mind something else: Tifa is established to have been trained as a fighter from an early age, so it's not odd that she fights so well, even if it is a stretch.... but how is Aeris going to fight? Her attack style in the original is clearly one done by an inexperienced, "average" girl who isn't a fighter that just comically jumps at enemies and whacks them with her staff. This extends to her Limit Breaks being support so she suddenly wasn't doing crazy ass moves like everyone else did in theirs.

Is she suddenly now going to be doing things competently, spinning her staff and dodging expertly in an exciting way to not make her a drag to watch in these cinematic battles? Same with Barret who barely moved using his gun and did so in a manner that expressed his stubborn, inflexible personality that is the same reason why he's fighting Shinra out of his bar.

I think this is digging to the bigger problem that this kind of remake fucks shit up because the game wasn't originally designed for it and the way it once expressed little things, like the personalities of each character by how they fought in battle, is undone by transplanting them to a combat system not built for them.

The joke is that they are going to make Barrett's Red XIII's tits really huge.

 

[Taxnomore]

I would still fuck the shit out of her.

If I was not married.

 

[Beastro]

You're all complaining about her shrunken tiddies, while they gave a Kung Fu girl pencils for thighs.

Thick Thighs Save Lives.

Fellas, her tits look plenty big to me...

Actually given these pictures I think this is more an issue of people expecting problems rather than there being one.

That skirt and those straps are as risque as the giant breasts and they were translated exactly in a way that would have caused censorship problems had she looked that detailed back in 1997.

It could very well be with a chest that big in the original she'd simply look too silly flying around punching and kicking if they remained in place and defied momentum (which the FMVs got away with being bad because of how poorly everyone moved) and Square didn't want to waste time and money with "boob physics" for one character.

 

[aweigh]

this isn't a big issue, it's that issues are made so big now the expected fight over it is large.

P. much. I could care less about Tifa's tits, but allowing SJWs to dictate the content in my games is unacceptable. Her tiddies simply became another battleground in le culture wars. The reason they win is because they get people to actually believe it's about the tiddies, when in reality it's about control and ideological warfare; "oh, sure, her tits WERE too big! it's unrealistic!", when we all know realism has nothing to do with it.

 

[Shaewaroz]

Nomura said Tifa's tits look small because she's wearing a sport bra and tight top. I'm sure in Don Corleo's mansion they will look much bigger when she's wearing a revealing dress. So there will be at least some parts of the game where her knockers will get to shine.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

And yet there are real women with massive mammaries walking around but SJW complains about games and realism. I heard about this crap on the MOTU radar with netflix She-ra.

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And BenTen in a dress they say:

Side by side

Tifa:

New?

I'm assuming these Tifa pics are correct because i don't have a clue if theyre touched up or what. I'd becurious what the correct ratio translation would look like for the modern gfx pic if kept true to the original.

 

[aweigh]

Your final Tifa pic, the "modern render", is not official Square art. It's fan art.

BTW, the reason all new cartoons look like that and have that "SJW look" (everything is rounded, women have man-jaws), is because California Arts are pushing new "philosophies of design" in their academies.

New artists in the industry are literally being trained to draw a specific way, which is why all the new american cartoons look like that. They have infiltrated and taken over the art academies.

 

[Modron]

Your final Tifa pic, the "modern render", is not official Square art. It's fan art.

BTW, the reason all new cartoons look like that and have that "SJW look" (everything is rounded, women have man-jaws), is because California Arts are pushing new "philosophies of design" in their academies.

New artists in the industry are literally being trained to draw a specific way, which is why all the new american cartoons look like that. They have infiltrated and taken over the art academies.

It's not just CalArts' fault though, modern cartoons have a smaller more fragmented viewer base than they did in the 80s through early 2000s and as such budgets are just not where they used to be hence the trend towards simpler looking less animated characters and this is not just limited to western cartoons but can be seen in action in anime quite often as well these days.

 

[aweigh]

They instruct students to desexualize and make designs rounder. That has nothing to do with budgets. In CalArts programs, I mean. Here's a random game made by SJWs using this kind of CalArts philosophy:



Yes, it's Zelda, but it was contracted out to a Western SJW dev. There is nothing Japanese in the game besides the IP. Anyway, when they don't make them round they instead give women man-jaws, like here:

And yes, they also hide behind the realism excuse as well. Google the Naughty Dog artist fiasco where someone fixed some man-jaw female character designs by giving them a pointier chin and he went absolutely rabid and tried to get the woman who did the design fixes fired. He said that pointier (re: more feminine) chins were misogynistic.

EDIT 2: Here's some of the characters in the dreadful new cartoon Dragon Prince, from the SJW studio who made Airbender:

Starting to see what I mean now? You can literally spot SJW art from a mile away. The elf character on the right side is supposed to be female.