Squeenix Final Fantasy VII Remake Integrade - now on Steam

[Tigranes]

You mean, like fantadomat's animu tabs screenshots?

 

[Melcar]

First they came for Lara, now Tifa. Will this madness never end?

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[sullynathan]

Graphics have come a long way

 

[Somberlain]

Tifa's tits are ultimately meaningless. The real question is how much detail will we see of crossdressed Cloud getting anus pounded

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

If the Honey Bee Inn doesn't have that random scene of spying through the keyhole and showing President Shinra talk about Satan it's not an authentic remake.

 

[JDR13]

FF7's been on my mind occasionally the past few months, not because of this remake, but because of that mod that enhances the prerendered backgrounds. Conceptually I just find it incredibly cool and I want to see it in action, which might be enough for me to finally get into the series after my past attempts really went nowhere.

The Remako mod. It definitely makes the backgrounds a lot cleaner, but it's sort of a pain in the ass to install, and it disables achievments and cloud saves. If you couldn't get into FF7 before, I doubt Remako alone is going to change your mind.

I've been messing around with FF7 in my spare time and thought about installing some mods including Remako, but I'm finding the Steam version acceptable by itself at 1920x1200.

 

[Lyre Mors]

I've been messing around with FF7 in my spare time and thought about installing some mods including Remako, but I'm finding the Steam version acceptable by itself at 1920x1200

Same. I actually drop the resolution a bit lower than that, push my monitor back a little further than normal, and it's almost like I'm playing this on my old shitty TV.

Been playing with the Gjoerulv's Hardcore Mod and having a really great time. The bombing run was ridiculous, but once I got past that everything has been just like it should have been on release back in 1997. Very interesting encounters and boss fights, and apparently fixes some AI bugs they never got to before launch. There are a few instances where the mod maker threw in some absolute bullshit, like putting an absurd encounter in the chest you get Keycard 66 from in the Shinra building, but luckily there is a sweet youtube channel that details all said bullshit fights and gives you strategies to get through them. It's too bad, because besides that I feel the mod is balanced damn near perfectly. Highly recommend for anyone looking for a bit more challenge on a replay, and you can install it no problem on the steam version. Same goes for The Reunion retranslation.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Or, you know, I like women and I like hot women, but JRPGs isn't where I go to for sex and animu deviantart of freaks with boobs larger than their faces isn't what I consider hot.

Raging about Tifa's boobs of all things strikes me as really weird, go out and get laid or just go straight to whatever your favourite porn is. I want gameplay from my RPGs, not some battle between people who want more romance in their Bioware games and people who want bigger boobs than gravity can provide.

As a pervert, I would brofist this because it is perfectly reasonable and correct. But also as a pervert, I must consider that it is RACIST!

 

[Grimlorn]

Raging about Tifa's boobs of all things strikes me as really weird, go out and get laid or just go straight to whatever your favourite porn is.

No one is raging about Tifa's boobs. They're just annoyed that feminists can whine in articles or social media about big boobs and gaming companies will capitulate to their demands and remake characters with smaller breasts like Lara Croft as well.

And the FMV wasn't that bad. Putting aside that they were new to 3D and couldn't even make a Cloud model that could run around the map made of more than a few pixels, Tifa's boobs weren't bigger than her head or anything. The whole FMV is cartoonish anyways similar to how FF9 also had cartoonish characters that weren't to normal spec.

You have to be a really delusional moron to feel superior and good for liking when characters are remade with small breasts.

 

[Tigranes]

Raging about Tifa's boobs of all things strikes me as really weird, go out and get laid or just go straight to whatever your favourite porn is.

No one is raging about Tifa's boobs. They're just annoyed that feminists can whine in articles or social media about big boobs and gaming companies will capitulate to their demands and remake characters with smaller breasts like Lara Croft as well.

And the FMV wasn't that bad. Putting aside that they were new to 3D and couldn't even make a Cloud model that could run around the map made of more than a few pixels, Tifa's boobs weren't bigger than her head or anything. The whole FMV is cartoonish anyways similar to how FF9 also had cartoonish characters that weren't to normal spec.

You have to be a really delusional moron to feel superior and good for liking when characters are remade with small breasts.

Sure, I think the demands that historical games feature exaggeratedly revisionist racial relations, or that reducing a vidya game character's boob size is cause for wild celebration, get a bit silly. But it would also be silly to spend pages and pages fixating on how said boobs must be preserved, or how it was such a crucial element to Tifa's character or FF7's aesthetic style or whatever. I certainly don't have big problems with the original FMVs for the reasons you stated.

It does strike me that they made Cloud's hair even more spiky and ridiculous than the original, while scaling down the boobs, while turning Barrett into I don't even know what. The true crime seems to be that they have no fucking idea what their desired style is.

 

[Reinhardt]

If T&A not worth fighting for then nothing worth.

 

[Shaewaroz]

Nomura has confirmed a couple of new details about the Remake:

https://gematsu.com/2019/06/final-f...N_MvFZeeQnwUDTzHmh5mv_AmgATzIkHxliTjGRZOHiZZw

• The watchmen of fate (the black mist in the trailer) are mysterious beings that appear before the party wherever they go. I hope that even those who have played the original game will enjoy the new elements.
• There are quite a bit of dialogue options. We are making it so the dialogue changes depending on your response, so the sheer volume of dialogue has increased.
• The Honey Bee Inn cross-dressing event is still in. We’ve made it more modern. If we made the facility like we did in the original game, the physical unease would be staggering, so that was no good…
• There are quite a few additions to the scenario. While the main story itself hasn’t changed, there are a countless number of new events. Otherwise we wouldn’t have two Blu-ray discs. (Laughs.)
• Aerith and Tifa are double heroines. One has a western-style look and the other an eastern-style look.
• We wanted Tifa to have abs, so she has an athletic body type. The ethics department at Square Enix also told us that we had to tighten her chest as not to get unnatural during all the intense action. From there we got the black underwear and fitted tank top.
• With an emphasis on immersion and exhilaration, you can fight without stress through the use of shortcuts. When you open the command menu, time slows and you can fight like a command battle.
• Each playable character has different enemy affinities.
• An item is required for MP recovery.
• For the sake of level design, we’re preparing a few new enemies where necessary.

It's not clear what role "The Watchmen of Fate" will play in the overall story. By guess is they are a reinterpretation of the failed Sephiroth clones that were portrayed as hunched down figures wearing black capes in the original game. They were summoned by Sephiroth to gather to the Northern Crater for the Reunion, where Cloud gave the Black Materia to Sephiroth. I'm guessing they will also be used to explain Cloud's hallucinations about Sephiroth during the Midgar segment and perhaps one of them has killed President Shinra with Sephiroth's sword.

Honey Bee Inn will be toned down to better fit modern sensibilities. Doesn't bother me one bit. Cloud will still be cross-dress though.
MP will not be replenished automatically after each battle, you have to use items like Ethers (or perhaps rest at an Inn?) to replenish party member's MP. This alone makes the Remake a better RPG than Dragon Age: Origins. Huge Incline imo.

 

[Melcar]

No, no, no. Fuck this gay shit.

 

[Starwars]

I had actually expected Tifa to be even more "desexualized". I think they did pretty well with her character from what I could see. At least as far as the whole "this is now slightly realistic and slightly anime" style they aim for goes. I think the fanart (or official concept art perhaps) was what made Tifa hot. The way she looks in the game is just dumb. Even my horny as fuck teenage self thought it the boob jiggle in one of the cutscenes looked silly, and that's saying something.

But WHATEVER. The remake looks terrible from the videos so far.

 

[Cromwell]

So with Tifas tits it actually is about ethics in videogames.

 

[Melcar]

Removing her tits is highly unethical.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Right so not only do we get more Sephiroth, we get some prophecy chosen one bullshit by the sound of that.

With Sephiroth in particular it's kind of a wat for them to add more of him (you know, aside from the obvious that fanboys are OBSESSED with Sephiroth and adding more emphasis to him is easy fanservice), since a big part about that in the story of the original game is that it pulls a number of switcheroos with its story's direction at the end of each disc, and one of them is that not only does Sector 7 get completely destroyed but soon after Shinra gets displaced as the main antagonist. Putting more emphasis on this sort of chosen one stuff like "Watchmen of Fate" also runs actively counter to one of the core elements of FF7's story. The original is entirely anti-Chosen One in structure, the whole point is that the actual chosen one dies before the job is through, the super-special super soldier Sephiroth is actually a shallow puppet of an ancient interstellar parasite, and the fate of the Planet ultimately rests in the hands of a gang of losers (an introverted dork who never got into SOLDIER, a girl who will go with a lie because it's nicer than reality, an angry sellout and failed terrorist, a has-been astronaut dwelling on the past, a desk worker trapped in a system they can't change, a judgmental cat-dog, a cuck, and an immature revanchist thief) who rise up to the challenge through coming to terms with who they are and changing for the better as a result.

I had actually expected Tifa to be even more "desexualized". I think they did pretty well with her character from what I could see. At least as far as the whole "this is now slightly realistic and slightly anime" style they aim for goes. I think the fanart (or official concept art perhaps) was what made Tifa hot. The way she looks in the game is just dumb. Even my horny as fuck teenage self thought it the boob jiggle in one of the cutscenes looked silly, and that's saying something.

But WHATEVER. The remake looks terrible from the videos so far.

And heck, it's not like the fanart hasn't decided to make the boobs bigger for the new design either (also why I pointed out that fundamentally the additional accessories are p. cute). And you don't even need to get or care about the game for the fanart!

(And yea the remake looks very misguided and more like a revision to make it more like the fanboy version with way too much emphasis on Sephiroth and outlandishly overblown action; I already mentioned how the realistic art style completely conflicts with the original game's anime aesthetic)

 

[Shaewaroz]

We don't really know what role The Watchers of Fate will have. As I said above, they might be only Sephiroth clones and not something completely new beings that alter the overarching narrative. Sephiroth clones didn't really play any kind of role during the Midgar part of FF7 (except for the sick guy near Aerith's house), but I don't really mind making their role more prominent in the remake. In FF7, their role was very minor and I understood their significance only after multiple playthroughs - the game narrative could benefit from further foreshadowing.

The Watchers of Fate might also be just a bad translation and they might end up having nothing to do with predestination or The Chosen One type narrative. Or at least I hope that's the case.

Another observation: I don't think The Watchers are going to be hostile. Some Youtubers have made this interpretation, but I don't believe this is the case. One of them causes Cloud to hallucinate about Sephiroth, but it doesn't try to physically harm him. I think Cloud will keep on having hallucinations every time these Sephiroth clones get near him, since they are also beings infused with Jenova's Cells, which in turn lets Sephiroth influence their behavior.

 

[Melcar]

Meh. Them adding new shit to the game just gives off a bad vibe. Or even adding explanations to things that were ambiguous in the original.

 

[Beastro]

and perhaps one of them has killed President Shinra with Sephiroth's sword.

But that was Jenova who did that. The whole thing about leaving the sword behind I just took as video game fiat in the same way Cloud isn't shown always handling his sword and it disappears when not needed.

They did need to do more with the "clones" even the term clone I'd chalk up to bad localization.

the super-special super soldier Sephiroth is actually a shallow puppet of an ancient interstellar parasite

That wasn't there.

The Mountain Cave and Cloud's recollections make it clear it's sadly the opposite. You see, Sephy is actually such a bad ass he dominated that Lovecraftian parasite to his will and made her his puppet. But he's not done making Jenova his bitch, he'll game the planet and use it's healing reaction to being hit by the asteroid to merge with it and make the planet his bitch too.

He is above Jenova and her petty world eating gimmick, above the planet and it's lfieforms, he's above everything! Don't you understand how bad ass Sephy is???

It's the whole thing about the twist in the first half the game, you're out thinking your chasing Sephy, but it's actually the torso of Jenova leading you on to arrive at the Mountain Cave with the Black Materia where you get to see Sephy where he's been since he rememgered after Cloud threw him into the Life Stream.

I sympathize with you, your impression is the same one I originally had and went with, but as I got to know more about how Japanese make stories in games, the more I realize the Sephy's greatest badass ever thing was in there from the start.

 

[IceyD]

deep down the footage so far really didn't look special to me at all. i am mostly hyped for the new character renders, music, and for some very cool cutscenes of iconic moments. the original game isn't going anywhere so i'm not really beat up about it.

only thing that sucks is that I expect Nomura will continue to butcher Cloud and his story into some dark emo kingdom hearts kind of mess. when in reality FFVII was a wacky game and Cloud was a total goofball for half of it.

 

[Swigen]

Wish they would remake Trails in the Sky and shrink Agate’s fat ass down. Just watching his ginormous buttocks jiggle it’s way up the battlefield only to come up one square short of the enemy is absolutely unethical!

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

https://gematsu.com/2019/06/final-f...event-new-events-dialogue-options-and-enemies

The Polygon article on this is particularly funny. They pretend to wonder why anyone would even care about design changes in a character while also finding it strange a video game company would even have people whose job is to think about this kind of thing. The latter is particularly funny given Polygon has seemingly wanted to make it their job for the whole industry for over a decade now.

Meh. Them adding new shit to the game just gives off a bad vibe. Or even adding explanations to things that were ambiguous in the original.

They've said this just Midgar section is going to be as long as a normal Final Fantasy game. I'm guessing it's getting a lot of new stuff.

 

[Shaewaroz]

and perhaps one of them has killed President Shinra with Sephiroth's sword.

But that was Jenova who did that. The whole thing about leaving the sword behind I just took as video game fiat in the same way Cloud isn't shown always handling his sword and it disappears when not needed.

They did need to do more with the "clones" even the term clone I'd chalk up to bad localization.

There's a lot of stuff that's sort of lost in translation with the original game and all the spin offs that came after have also added new explanations to things that perhaps should have remained a mystery. I personally only think of the original story (both English & Japanese versions) as self-contained canon that don't need any further elaboration or clarification.

the super-special super soldier Sephiroth is actually a shallow puppet of an ancient interstellar parasite

That wasn't there.

The Mountain Cave and Cloud's recollections make it clear it's sadly the opposite. You see, Sephy is actually such a bad ass he dominated that Lovecraftian parasite to his will and made her her puppet. But he's not done making Jenova his bitch, he'll game the planet and use it's healing reaction to being hit by the asteroid to merge with it and make the planet his bitch too.

He is above Jenova and her world eating gimmick, above the planet and it's lfieforms, he's above everything! Don't you understand how bad ass Sephy is???

It's the whole thing about the twist in the first half the game, you're out thinking your chasing Sephy, but it's actually the torso of Jenova leading you on to arrive at the Mountain Cave with the Black Materia where you get to see Sephy where he's been since he rememgered after Cloud threw him into the Life Stream.

I sympathize with you, your impression is the same one I originally had and went with, but as I got to know more about how Japanese make stories in games, the more I realize the Sephy's greatest badass ever thing was in there from the start.

This is one of those cases. I think the general consensus among fans is that Sephiroth is the one in charge, based on a few lines by Hojo during the Reunion:

Hojo: "He's a Sephiroth clone I created after the real Sephiroth died five years ago. Jenova cells and Mako, with my knowledge and skills, have been combined with science and nature to bring him to life. ...I'm not wild about the failure part, but the Jenova Reunion Theory has now been proven. You see, even if Jenova's body is dismembered, it will eventually become one again. That's what is meant by Jenova's Reunion to start. Five years have passed, and now the Clones have began to return. I thought the Clones would begin to gather at Midgar where Jenova is stored. But my predictions were not entirely correct. Jenova itself began to move away from the Shinra Building. But being a genius that I am, I soon figured it out. You see it was all Sephiroth's doing. Sephiroth is not just content to diffuse his will into the Lifestream; he wants to manipulate the Clones itself."

Hojo: "Did you see it!! It's Sephiroth! So he IS here! This is perfect! Both Jenova's Reunion and Sephiroth's will! They won't be diffused into the Lifestream, but gathered here! Mwa, haa, ha,......"

So according to Hojo, Sephiroth is in charge. Some of the game Devs have also confirmed this. However I still personally prefer to think, like many others, that Jenova and Hojo are the ultimate villains of FF7. To me Jenova is basically Lavos 2.0, although she has been sealed off by members of Cetra for thousands of years before Shinra dug up her remains and professor Gast started to study them. Much like Lavos, Jenova intends to corrupt the Lifestream and suck the life energy out of the planet until it's nothing more than an empty husk, then travel to another planet to do the same thing all over again. Perhaps Hojo was wrong? Perhaps Reunion is a regenerative process that will help Jenova regain her full power. Perhaps she is using meteor to restart her apocalyptic plan all over again. Or perhaps it was the Jenova Cells that made Sephiroth mad in the first place? Perhaps Sephiroth's mind is slowly taken over by Jenova's Cells and Sephiroth's will is in the end only a manifestation of Jenova's will. I believe all these interpretations are possible based on the original story, despite the canon interpretation being different.

 

[Melcar]

To me, Jenova was just a mindless alien force. Sephiroth found a way to control her and use her for his crazy plans once he went psycho.

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