Final Fantasy XVI

[mediocrepoet]

What about this doesn't look like Final Fantasy?

The gameplay.

It looks like they put a FF skin, complete with melodramatic but high quality cutscenes, on an action brawler.

Well, Final Fantasy gameplay hasn't looked like Final Fantasy gameplay since FF XI (I hear, never played it).

Yeah, I suppose that's true.

 

[Alex]

Old Final Fantasy combat is generic JRPG combat. (...)

Sure, but the good ones have good character building in gameplay (jobs, materia, what have you) to go with it, while the others at least have interesting character abilities (like FF VI).

(...) I thought it was character archetypes, worldbuilding and cliché shitty Japanese pornographic cartoons plot that mainly characterized Final Fantasy.

Why would anyone care about that?

 

[Dadd]

Why would anyone care about that?

I don't know but FF fans do

 

[notpl]

My problem with modern final fantasy games isn't that they're real-time, it's that they're terrible.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Old Final Fantasy combat is generic JRPG combat. I thought it was character archetypes, worldbuilding and cliché shitty Japanese pornographic cartoons plot that mainly characterized Final Fantasy.

Don't forget chocobos:

 

[Machocruz]

It's not FF without a party.

 

[Abu Antar]

I was surprised that it seemed to be a grounded game inspired by western rpgs, and then it turned into Devil May Cry

That was probably unavoidable considering they hired the guy behind DMCs battle system to work on FFXVI.

 

[S.torch]

What about this doesn't look like Final Fantasy?

Everything.

 

[Shinji]

"Let's make a Final Fantasy for people that hate Final Fantasy"

 

[†††]

My headcanon is that the most powerful men in Square-Enix are old Enix guys who were jealous of FF back in the day and have decided to sabotage the brand beyond repair as revenge.

 

[Bigg Boss]

Even FF12 combat at this point would be incline which is...strange. What timeline is this?

 

[karoliner]

What timeline is this?

The worst one.

 

[Machocruz]

I just want a fucking party what the hell. Video games are so decline can't even get simple pleasures like that. Not even a three character, which was already a form of decline.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

FF16's setting and visuals look rather boring. Yeah, sure, it has the spectacular one-off Eikon battles, but the rest looks meh. Everyone is a human. Mundane outfits. Boring brown environments. Same issue with FF15 which looked like a drive through Barstow.

I am currently replaying FF13 right now. You get to travel through a visually interesting fantasy world with unique environments and crazy fashion. You get to visit the weird outer shell of Cocoon, traverse across a tsunami that was crystalized, stroll through a weird biomechanical forest, and so on.

 

[Aarwolf]

I watched this new trailer and it looked like... Dragon Age 2. Some scenes were nearly identical to those in the opening of that game, I expected Hawke to pop up from behind the rock.

It's not Final Fantasy in style, it's some pseudomedieval shit made by people, who've never been to Europe, like biodrones from Vancouver or California. Gone are the days, when FF explored different asian settings, like in FFX, or middle eastern like in FFXII. It's souless, washed out of any identity. It's hollow.

Like someone before me has said - it's Final Fantasy for people who hate Final Fantasy. I would say it's Final Fantasy for people who don't give a shit for Final Fantasy and expect nothing more than another action romp with instant win button. It's another Dragon Age 2, but with better graphics.

 

[notpl]

There really does seem to be this weird trend where, over a long enough period of time, every beloved franchise eventually gets completely taken over by people who despise the material and its fans. Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, Mass Effect, Doom... Remember all the promo materials for Dragon Age 2? DA: O was a runaway success that put Bioware back on the map as an RPG-maker, then all their marketing talked about discarding the stuffy overhead perspective and boring RPG mechanics in favor of a bunch of hybrid action trash that nobody asked for or liked.

Maybe it's just inevitable that creators get bored, but in a lot of cases the original creators are no longer involved and these decisions seem to be made by people who have no connection to the original work, which makes me wonder how they got the job in the first place if they so obviously hate everything that made the franchise famous in the first place.

 

[Tigranes]

Any series that goes on too long will always be bad, even when it stays with the original creator. Almost in all cases the series should end with the first or second go on the carnival. Creating something great is often accidental and circumstantial - it's an endpoint. It doesn't mean that the creator has now figured out exactly how to make great things all the time, or that this formula can now always be used to create great things.

If Warren Spector et al. kept making Deus Ex 8, it would likely be shit. If you kept Nobuo Uematsu composing for FF ten more years, it'd have been shit (dude had a specific creative period then immediately plagiarised himself even in the PSX era, which isn't a stab at him but the fact that you can't expect to just keep going forever).

Expecting nothing of sequels (and only rarely being pleasantly surprised) in my experience was an easy way out of disappointment and wasted time in most popular media.

 

[Duraframe300]

Still don't get the hate and how its *so not Final Fantasy*.

Especially after all those years of Kitase/Nomura/Toryiama/Nojima/Tabata Final Fantasy's we're finally getting one again by devs from the Ivalice side of things.

I really don't see why I should be expecting the worst FF.

Edit: Maybe its just me and I'm just biased in seeing what's so horrible about this due to the dev team being different from the usual Kitase crew. That's easily possible. We'll see anyway.

 

[Machocruz]

Eh, FF to me is colorful and lighthearted for the most part. But this doesn't look like the worst FF to me. 13 exists, 15 landed like a wet fart. Didn't care for 10, seemed like it was made for pre-teen girls, but the TB was arguably the best in the series.

 

[†††]

Still don't get the hate and how its *so not Final Fantasy*.

Especially after all those years of Kitase/Nomura/Toryiama/Nojima/Tabata Final Fantasy's we're finally getting one again by devs from the Ivalice side of things.

I really don't see why I should be expecting the worst FF.

Edit: Maybe its just me and I'm just biased in seeing what's so horrible about this due to the dev team being different from the usual Kitase crew. That's easily possible. We'll see anyway.

I think people would hate it less if it was turn based. The setting isn't the problem.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Didn't care for 10, seemed like it was made for pre-teen girls

Oh you should definitely play X-2 then.

 

[GhostCow]

Didn't care for 10, seemed like it was made for pre-teen girls

Oh you should definitely play X-2 then.

X-2 would have been good if it was turned based. Fantastic if it was turn based and Payne wasn't ugly

 

[notpl]

There really does seem to be this weird trend where, over a long enough period of time, every beloved franchise eventually gets completely taken over by people who despise the material and its fans. Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, Mass Effect, Doom... Remember all the promo materials for Dragon Age 2? DA: O was a runaway success that put Bioware back on the map as an RPG-maker, then all their marketing talked about discarding the stuffy overhead perspective and boring RPG mechanics in favor of a bunch of hybrid action trash that nobody asked for or liked.

Maybe it's just inevitable that creators get bored, but in a lot of cases the original creators are no longer involved and these decisions seem to be made by people who have no connection to the original work, which makes me wonder how they got the job in the first place if they so obviously hate everything that made the franchise famous in the first place.

I wasn't expecting to be vindicated quite so quickly, but here's an article:

https://www.pcgamer.com/some-of-the-witcher-show-writers-actively-disliked-the-books-and-games/

 

[Hassar]

There really does seem to be this weird trend where, over a long enough period of time, every beloved franchise eventually gets completely taken over by people who despise the material and its fans. Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, Mass Effect, Doom... Remember all the promo materials for Dragon Age 2? DA: O was a runaway success that put Bioware back on the map as an RPG-maker, then all their marketing talked about discarding the stuffy overhead perspective and boring RPG mechanics in favor of a bunch of hybrid action trash that nobody asked for or liked.

Maybe it's just inevitable that creators get bored, but in a lot of cases the original creators are no longer involved and these decisions seem to be made by people who have no connection to the original work, which makes me wonder how they got the job in the first place if they so obviously hate everything that made the franchise famous in the first place.

I wasn't expecting to be vindicated quite so quickly, but here's an article:

https://www.pcgamer.com/some-of-the-witcher-show-writers-actively-disliked-the-books-and-games/

I call it the Frustrated Franchise Creator Trend. These people seethe with self-hatred because they know how obvious it is that this is not their franchise nor is it their creative vision that will be on full display. They want to be known as creators and artists, but deep down, they know that they don’t have the ambition or creativity to blaze out on their own so they take their frustrations out on established franchise’s and the fandom. This is why they become obsessed with subverting expectations and deconstructing other people’s beloved creations: they don’t want to take the multiple decades of thought and work that an Amano, Miyazaki, Tolkien, etc. (I.e. real artist) put in, and hate themselves for their laziness and patheticness.

 

[Wunderbar]