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Deus Ex GMDX: Deus Ex Advancement Mod v9 Released!

zeitgeist

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Usually, unless I'm mistaken, the audience take such a base effort and continue the promotion willingly via the desire to talk about what they've seen.

I don't think so, not anymore at least. The developers who have this happen "spontaneously" for them (both regarding mods and actual games) usually have very well developed social connections already, either through some degree of previous fame or just their own elbow-rubbing efforts in and out of the game development context. Everyone else has to engage in some sort of astroturfing at least until critical mass is reached.
 
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Concept: money still needs more value despite GMDX's efforts. New shops in some form or another are what I have in mind. Can anyone think of a way to make the purchase of items fit into the game nicely? I'm thinking the arms dealer method in 2027 is the only viable option as no JCD voice actor.

Maybe you could get some more use of the news terminals around the game, have em hackable so you can contact someone.
Or maybe phones just like 2027 or an alternate user account on computers.
 

Dev_Anj

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. The developers who have this happen "spontaneously" for them (both regarding mods and actual games) usually have very well developed social connections already, either through some degree of previous fame or just their own elbow-rubbing efforts in and out of the game development context. Everyone else has to engage in some sort of astroturfing at least until critical mass is reached.

Correct. The reason Revision got the offer to be on Steam was because Bjorn had connections with John French, who is a community manager for Square Enix forums and so knows some people inside Square Enix. Just one example of social connections affecting a mod's visibility.

But once again, since Ash has started taking the marketing of his mod seriously, it has already started bringing fruit, with 4000+ views, now coming closer to 5000 on the first video. I only hope that game news websites report on the mod when it releases.

As for giving money more value, how about finding some numbers in secret places? These numbers can then be used in phones in the appropriate location (example: finding a number in Hong Kong canals will let you use it with the telephones in either Lucky Money or Tonnochi Road, but not in New York) and then there can be dropoffs in a location based on how much money you buy. Example, pay 600 and you get a set of taser darts dropped off in the docks behind Old China Hand, 1000 and you get a set of 3 weapon mods dropped off near the fisherman's home, 710 and you get some Sabot shells dropped off near Jock's apartment. There's no need to voice JC speaking anything, it's just a case of choosing one option and having the location of the dropoff being noted in the Goals/Notes section.
 
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ghostdog

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Was it 2027 where you could use vending machines to buy ammo and mods ?

The thing is economy is tough to manage in DX. From a point on you don't have any use for your money, but money is also finite in the game.

You could add the option to sell weapons and items and you could also add a stacking option in order to carry excess weapons of the same type (I believe shifter/revision has this), but then you'd need something to do with the money because you can use only so many weapon mods and ammo. Making you buy aug canisters/upgrades would break the game flow and advancement rewards. Maybe having to buy your energy cells would be the answer, but I don't really like it.

How about paying to upgrade your skills? It could be considered that these improvements are bought from an augmentation clinic, or something. Since DXHR It's canon that these clinics have existed for a long time anyway.
 

Ash

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The thing is economy is tough to manage in DX. From a point on you don't have any use for your money, but money is also finite in the game.

You could add the option to sell weapons and items and you could also add a stacking option in order to carry excess weapons of the same type (I believe shifter/revision has this), but then you'd need something to do with the money because you can use only so many weapon mods and ammo.

No selling, only buying. DX is a game with little to no farming possible and I'd like to keep it that way. Plus few establishments would actually buy anything from you anyway beyond a pawnshop and the like.

How about paying to upgrade your skills? Since DXHR It's canon that these clinics have existed for a long time anyway.

Sorry, but HR is not canon. Great game, but too far removed and at odds with DX.

I'm thinking merely something like in DX: three options. Steep prices. It would be mainly to serve hackers, who get far more money than other skill investments. Currently there's not much point in hacking all the ATMs and such as you get enough money without.
 

MaskedMartyr

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Money was always a poor mechanic in DX, i think ionstorms approach was about as good as it gets however. The alternative is offering items to NPCs for rewards, and people hate carrying around items for vague or esoteric purposes.

If money has to be raised up to the standard, you'd have to add NPCs offering more items and/or info possibly about level changes, add the appropriate keypads etc. allow the purchase of generic supplies often with money. Like that doctor who offers you one medkit, whats up with that?

Really its alot more work than its worth to make money seem cool. You could just reduce some NPC money rewards wherever the dialogue allows it, or offer items instead of money to create some kind of scarcity without shitting on the player.
 

Ash

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Coded this simple solution last night:

Code:
//=============================================================================
// PayPointPanel.
//=============================================================================
class PayPointPanel extends DeusExDecoration;

var string PassedItemName;
var bool bConfirmPurchase;
var bool bPaidFor;
var() int price;

#exec obj load file=HDTPanim

function Timer()
{
   ItemName = PassedItemName;
   bConfirmPurchase = False;
}

function Frob(Actor Frobber, Inventory frobWith)
{
  local string deductedMsg;

  if (Frobber.IsA('DeusExPlayer'))
  {
   if (DeusExPlayer(Frobber).Credits < Price && !bPaidFor)
   {
      if (PassedItemName != "Insufficient Credits")
         PassedItemName = ItemName;
      ItemName = "Insufficient Credits " $ "(" $ Price $ ")";
      SetTimer(3.0,false);
   }

   if (DeusExPlayer(Frobber).Credits < Price || bPaidFor)
       return;

   if (bConfirmPurchase)
   {
    deductedMsg = Price $ " credits deducted from your account";
    DeusExPlayer(Frobber).Credits -= Price;
    bPaidFor = True;
    DeusExPlayer(Frobber).ClientMessage(deductedMsg,,true);
    ToggleLock(DeusExPlayer(Frobber));
    ItemName = "Confirmed";
    PassedItemName = "Confirmed";
    PlaySound(sound'Switch3ClickOn',SLOT_None);
   }
   else if (!bConfirmPurchase)
   {
    PassedItemName = ItemName;
    ItemName = "Are You Sure? " $ "(" $ Price $ " credits)";
    SetTimer(5.0,false);
    bConfirmPurchase = True;
   }
  }
}

function ToggleLock(DeusExPlayer Player)
{
   local Actor A;

   if (Event != '')
   {
      foreach AllActors(class 'Actor', A, Event)
         if (A.IsA('DeusExMover'))
            DeusExMover(A).bLocked = !DeusExMover(A).bLocked;
   }
}

defaultproperties
{
     bInvincible=True
     ItemName="Insert Credits"
     bPushable=False
     Physics=PHYS_None
     Mesh=PLACEHOLDER
     CollisionRadius=4.900000
     bCollideWorld=False
     CollisionHeight=6.300000
     DrawScale=0.750000
     Mass=40.000000
     Buoyancy=30.000000
}

No voie actors required. All necessary information conveyed. Fits in the game world.

It just works.
 

Durandal

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Coded this simple solution last night:

Code:
//=============================================================================
// PayPointPanel.
//=============================================================================
class PayPointPanel extends DeusExDecoration;

var string PassedItemName;
var bool bConfirmPurchase;
var bool bPaidFor;
var() int price;

#exec obj load file=HDTPanim

function Timer()
{
   ItemName = PassedItemName;
   bConfirmPurchase = False;
}

function Frob(Actor Frobber, Inventory frobWith)
{
  local string deductedMsg;

  if (Frobber.IsA('DeusExPlayer'))
  {
   if (DeusExPlayer(Frobber).Credits < Price && !bPaidFor)
   {
      if (PassedItemName != "Insufficient Credits")
         PassedItemName = ItemName;
      ItemName = "Insufficient Credits " $ "(" $ Price $ ")";
      SetTimer(3.0,false);
   }

   if (DeusExPlayer(Frobber).Credits < Price || bPaidFor)
       return;

   if (bConfirmPurchase)
   {
    deductedMsg = Price $ " credits deducted from your account";
    DeusExPlayer(Frobber).Credits -= Price;
    bPaidFor = True;
    DeusExPlayer(Frobber).ClientMessage(deductedMsg,,true);
    ToggleLock(DeusExPlayer(Frobber));
    ItemName = "Confirmed";
    PassedItemName = "Confirmed";
    PlaySound(sound'Switch3ClickOn',SLOT_None);
   }
   else if (!bConfirmPurchase)
   {
    PassedItemName = ItemName;
    ItemName = "Are You Sure? " $ "(" $ Price $ " credits)";
    SetTimer(5.0,false);
    bConfirmPurchase = True;
   }
  }
}

function ToggleLock(DeusExPlayer Player)
{
   local Actor A;

   if (Event != '')
   {
      foreach AllActors(class 'Actor', A, Event)
         if (A.IsA('DeusExMover'))
            DeusExMover(A).bLocked = !DeusExMover(A).bLocked;
   }
}

defaultproperties
{
     bInvincible=True
     ItemName="Insert Credits"
     bPushable=False
     Physics=PHYS_None
     Mesh=PLACEHOLDER
     CollisionRadius=4.900000
     bCollideWorld=False
     CollisionHeight=6.300000
     DrawScale=0.750000
     Mass=40.000000
     Buoyancy=30.000000
}

No voie actors required. All necessary information conveyed. Fits in the game world.

It just works.

What's this do? Is this a magical everything dispenser, or locks that require you to pay money to unlock it?
 

Ash

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Messages
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What's this do? Is this a magical everything dispenser, or locks that require you to pay money to unlock it?

The latter. Display cases with electronic locks. Insert credit card. As it is Deus Ex, they can also hacked/picked, offering more options. You will encounter these in corporate-owned shops (the Quick-Stop for example) to match the hi-tech.

It may not be revolutionary, but it was the best solution given the circumstances (no voice acting allowed), and easy to implement as a bonus...and most importantly, now credits have optimal value.
 
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As a result of a lack of testers despite multiple requests GMDXv8.0's release has been set back to DEC 20th 2015.
It is not all bad news however: if you were eagerly awaiting to play GMDX you can send me a PM here or over on moddb to have access to what was intended to be today's release on the condition that you report any issues. Basically, I need more testers. It wouldn't be right releasing it without adequate testing.

A mod needs its community, so get behind GMDX!

All the videos that demonstrate the sheer scale and design progression that is GMDX:

Part 1: Artificial Intelligence: https://youtu.be/rKHPtfammNY
Part 2: Player-Controlled Mechanics: https://youtu.be/ny0wLI-ZWOY
Part 3: Sim Systems and Effects: https://youtu.be/lsOoTF5TL0Y
Part 4: Weaponry: https://youtu.be/T-bSLkfzWYc
Part 5: RPG Systems: https://youtu.be/yrIPhQBRMfs
Part 6: Level Design & Graphics: https://youtu.be/bpzXECyTQJ0
Part 7: Audio Design & UI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS-qj...
Part 8 will be released shortly

As a side note, ALL Military-type NPCs can now melee if you get up close:

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GMDX has also gained a new team member! He's a talented artist that goes by the alias '"Barbeerian", and intends to aid GMDX fulfill its potential by adding a variety of new art: 2D textures, skins, models and animations.
Here's a shot of the very first asset contributed in its early creation stage, a helmet model:

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I'm always looking for new team members to push Deus Ex at an accelerated rate and cover other fields of design, so if you're interested send a PM.

Apologies for the delay. Quality is important.
 
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