KickStarter Guido Henkel's Deathfire: Ruins of Nethermore - CANCELLED

[Gord]

have you ever played Planescape Torment? I'm sure it is much better to read an actual book than having to put up with all that text in a fucking game.

No, I have not. [...] And if that's the case, it's ridiculous:
For one it would show, that Guido is stuck in a time 15 years ago, ignorant of any developments in the meantime.

Ban theSavant, at a minimum until he has played PS:T.

 

[Lady_Error]

No, I have not.

Yeah, Planescape Torment is the worst game ever. Keep away from it.

the published screenshot shows that *every* so called "interaction" could take place as book pages opening up in your screen. And if that's the case, it's ridiculous:
For one it shows, that Guido is stuck in a time 15 years ago, ignorant of any developments in the meantime.

He is creating a turn-based blobber, FFS. And guess what, those were popular even further back than 15 years ago.

And how else do you want to do party interactions other than with text? Do you need a voiceover to read the text for you?

 

[Infinitron]

theSavant wants another Wizardry 8. If a game does something differently from Wiz8, that's a bad thing in his book.

 

[theSavant]

Voiced, speech bubbles, or textlines on the bottom of the screen, just something which doesn't completely block the screen and disconnect you from the 3D world. Comments, quarrels or discussions could fade in like in Wizardry 8 - which was text as well, but it didn't "cut you off". If interactions happen - and they happen often - I guarantee you the bookpages get annoying in no time. That's why the way interactions are implemented is very important considering immersion and gameflow.

Edit: now that I think about it, they could smoothly roll up a text area from the bottom (up until to maximum 1/3 or 1/4 of the screen) on a somehow transparent background, maybe subtle scrollbars in case you missed some text. But NOT a giant bookpage in your face every single time something happens. Gentle visualising.

 

[V_K]

I'm pretty sure giant bookpages are reserved for major events like NPC dialogs etc and that those will have some representation in the 3D view (i.e. not like the game we've been discussing in the Workshop forum).
Also, if RoAs are any indication, the "flavour" encounters won't be too frequent to become annoying.

 

[theSavant]

That would be fine if only for major events.

Infinitron: that's right. If it isn't like Wiz8, it sux :D
J/K, especially in party interaction Wiz8 lacked. They only had a pool of barks which were thrown depending on health status, attack or an enemy approaching. It made it more lively but it wasn't real interaction between the party members. So this definitely can be improved.

 

[Kaldurenik]

So codex... Should i pledge for this? It looks interesting but i have not read much about this. Do it have potential?

 

[Lady_Error]

It depends on what you are looking for. If you like turn-based blobbers, this is the game for you.

 

[Kaldurenik]

Quick question... "Blobbers"?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Yeah, blobber. Where you think you're playing as a group of adventurers, but are actually playing as a gelatinous slime with simultaneous multiple personality disorder. Hence blobber.

 

[Kaldurenik]

Aha ok i understand then.

 

[Lady_Error]

Back with Thorvalla there was Neal Hallford on board, so that was a major plus, but that ship has sailed.

It may not have sailed permanently and is probably more about how much they can pay him. Thorvalla had a bigger budget.

A first-person RPG might actually be something that Neal is more familiar with, having been involved in Betrayal at Krondor and Might & Magic III.

 

[stony3k]

Kicktraq now shows Deathfire as the #2 most popular KS campaign. It's still projected to come short of the goal though. Guido needs some big updates maybe get his old pals (say Neal or MCA) on board

 

[HiddenX]

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/g3studios/deathfire-ruins-of-nethermore/

 

[Stabwound]

Poor Guido. While this game doesn't exactly stand out, it looked kind of cool if not generic. What's he going to do when this inevitably fails? I don't think there's any recovering from this start.

 

[Lady_Error]

It's the second most popular Kickstarter right now, after the Myst guys. He may not reach the lofty goal, but he is not doing bad either.

 

[Stabwound]

Yeah, but look at the other projects he's up against. Exactly what metric does that top list go by? How can he be above this: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1034852783/shadows-of-brimstone/ with $733,227 (almost 2500% of goal) funded and 12 days left?

 

[stony3k]

Kicktraq is most likely based on funding per day, so all the rank says is that Deathfire received the most backers or $$ yesterday. It doesn't take into account the %funded or total amount (that would bias it too much against smaller projects). It is what it is, but it's interesting that they received a big boost yesterday (most likely due to the RPS article). It also means that Guido needs to somehow do more to get the word out (again get his pals like Neal Halford involved, get endorsements from MCA, Brian Fargo, etc.). It's still headed for a failure but a few big investors donators can change that.

 

[Tigranes]

Kicktraq projection isn't actually predictive of anything, and Kicktraq itself says this. Don't even bother with that.

 

[Zed]

Kicktraq is most likely based on funding per day, so all the rank says is that Deathfire received the most backers or $$ yesterday. It doesn't take into account the %funded or total amount (that would bias it too much against smaller projects). It is what it is, but it's interesting that they received a big boost yesterday (most likely due to the RPS article). It also means that Guido needs to somehow do more to get the word out (again get his pals like Neal Halford involved, get endorsements from MCA, Brian Fargo, etc.). It's still headed for a failure but a few big investors donators can change that.

Obsidian just announced backing Deathfire on Twitter. That's something, at least.

By the way, regarding the latest update... Has anyone read "Oathbreaker"?

 

[stony3k]

Yeah I read the first one, when CMcC essentially gave it out for free on Kindle. It's OK, I felt the world building was good but the characterization was nothing special.

 

[CMcC]

Yeah, they're pretty average. Apparently people felt I spent too long on the general; the epistolary style doesn't work for everyone. On the other hand, free is a decent price.

 

[CMcC]

Which is to say, there are things I'd change if I were writing them now.

 

[stony3k]

You should. An author's first books are rarely their best

 

[theSavant]

Obsidian just announced backing Deathfire on Twitter.

And God Obsidian spoke: "Let there be rain money. What you did to us, thou shalt do to others".
And the humans gazed in awe, followed the voice and dropped their purses.