Has Fallout 3 become a legitimate topic of discussion?

[Jaesun]

Demon's Souls isn't a GOT DAMN RPG, it's just a very good action game.

Games with Stats and Stat based combat are no longer cRPG's ????

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Why are you people saying THAT AINT NO ARPEEGEE when he was responding to

You are assuming that an action RPG can have good combat. . .

Btw, I was looking for your this post

I can't be the only one who stopped playing at the middle aged guy line, can I? I'm a hybrid pc game/consoletard who was as into jrpgs as pc rpgs until they moved to arpgs, and yet the bulk of the codex was actually able to play FO3?

and found this

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/939933-f ... 3/57347415

...and this.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/959557-/57347191

...and this.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic ... 3128608/17

...and this.

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?sh ... try1056419

That dialogue hit you really hard, eh

 

[DragoFireheart]

Wait, so does the Codex hate F:NV or just the game engine it used?

Fallout 3 was shit for the most part but it paved the way for F:NV so I forgive it in that regard.

 

[SpaceKungFuMan]

Why are you people saying THAT AINT NO ARPEEGEE when he was responding to

You are assuming that an action RPG can have good combat. . .

Btw, I was looking for your this post

I can't be the only one who stopped playing at the middle aged guy line, can I? I'm a hybrid pc game/consoletard who was as into jrpgs as pc rpgs until they moved to arpgs, and yet the bulk of the codex was actually able to play FO3?

and found this

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/939933-f ... 3/57347415

...and this.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/959557-/57347191

...and this.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic ... 3128608/17

...and this.

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?sh ... try1056419

That dialogue hit you really hard, eh

It goes even further. I'm the same SpaceKungFuMan who started and ran the "meet the devs" threads on Bethesda's forums, which started the dialog between the developers and the community. So yeah, I tried to go in with something more than complete hopelessness, and was VERY disapointed VERY quickly. From talking to the developers I learned that a lot of them are funny, personable, and write well. Unfortunately, they are not the writers. . .

 

[Radisshu]

Demon's Souls isn't a GOT DAMN RPG, it's just a very good action game.

Games with Stats and Stat based combat are no longer cRPG's ????

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but player skill in Demon's Souls is definitely more about your twitch skills than your character build, even though both matter.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Wait, so does the Codex hate F:NV or just the game engine it used?

inb4theresnohivemind

I believe everyone hates the engine, but some are willing to forgive it for the game's content. Others (like Jaesun) want to like the game, but can't get past the horrid engine.


...And then there's skyway, who thinks it's the same game because it has the same gameplay style. For some strange reason, this doesn't apply to FO2.

 

[DragoFireheart]

Wait, so does the Codex hate F:NV or just the game engine it used?

inb4theresnohivemind

I believe everyone hates the engine, but some are willing to forgive it for the game's content. Others (like Jaesun) want to like the game, but can't get past the horrid engine.


...And then there's skyway, who thinks it's the same game because it has the same gameplay style. For some strange reason, this doesn't apply to FO2.

This part is as fuck considering Planescape: Torment has a pretty shitty engine but is renowned as the best cRPG ever.

 

[SpaceKungFuMan]

Demon's Souls isn't a GOT DAMN RPG, it's just a very good action game.

Games with Stats and Stat based combat are no longer cRPG's ????

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but player skill in Demon's Souls is definitely more about your twitch skills than your character build, even though both matter.

In fact, if you were good enough at dodging, I think you could beat the whole game without even allocating any points to your stats. That doesn't bode well for calling the game an RPG. Also, for what its worth, when I play RPGs I usually have a relaxed posture, and when I play action games I'm more on edge, because of the need to react. When I play Demon's Souls, I am definitely sitting there on edge, so it feels like playing an action game to me.

 

[CappenVarra]

But we are getting way off topic here. Fallout 3 is shit, and saying its "good for what it is" or is a "good dungeon crawler/exploration game/hiking simulator" is like saying you went to the shit buffet, sampled all the shits, then decided to eat the type of shit that tastes the least horrible. In the end, you're still eating shit.

 

[Jaesun]

But we are getting way off topic here. Fallout 3 is shit, and saying its "good for what it is" or is a "good dungeon crawler/exploration game/hiking simulator" is like saying you went to the shit buffet, sampled all the shits, then decided to eat the type of shit that tastes the least horrible. In the end, you're still eating shit.

 

[Sceptic]

...And then there's skyway, who thinks it's the same game because it has the same gameplay style. For some strange reason, this doesn't apply to FO2.

And then there's 1eyedking, who will never ever forgive FNV for having ghouls trying to launch themselves in a shuttle but thinks that the Hubbologists going into space was Deep.

 

[Lockkaliber]

No, Fallout 3 has not become a legitimate topic of discussion.

 

[SpaceKungFuMan]

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[Excidium]

Be sincere. You didn't fire her because she's hot.

 

[WalmartJesus]

You really want to call those RPGs? .

No...but i'm calling them Action/Hack n Slash RPGs with stellar Combat that's different from the typical clickfest/button-mashing found in other ARPGs or diablo clones.

I never disputed that good action games can have good action combat, and can even have fun rpg like stat systems and equipment systems.

Isnt that what most ARPGs/dungeon hacks are essentially?

All I did was provide two examples of ARPGs ( ya know.. "good action games with good combat and fun rpg/equipment systems?).. but for some odd reason you got it in your head that I implied those games were Turn- Based Storyfag CRPGs loaded with C&C

 

[SpaceKungFuMan]

You really want to call those RPGs? .

No...but i'm calling them Action/Hack n Slash RPGs with stellar Combat that's different from the typical clickfest/button-mashing found in other ARPGs or diablo clones.

I never disputed that good action games can have good action combat, and can even have fun rpg like stat systems and equipment systems.

Isnt that what most ARPGs/dungeon hacks are essentially?

All I did was provide two examples of ARPGs ( ya know.. "good action games with good combat and fun rpg/equipment systems?).. but for some odd reason you got it in your head that I implied those games were Turn- Based Storyfag CRPGs loaded with C&C

Divine Divinity is an action rpg. Bloodlines is an action rpg. These are rpgs that happen to have action combat. The games you are talking about are action games that happen to have rpg elements. See the difference?

 

[Shannow]

But we are getting way off topic here. Fallout 3 is shit, and saying its "good for what it is" or is a "good dungeon crawler/exploration game/hiking simulator" is like saying you went to the shit buffet, sampled all the shits, then decided to eat the type of shit that tastes the least horrible. In the end, you're still eating shit.

To be fair, the whole "good for what it is"-angle fits this analogy better:

You went to the steak buffet because it read "Steak 3 buffet", sampled some of the food and realized that all they were offering were red beets and cold McDonald's burgers. In the end, you're eating something you didn't want, something that is different from what you were promised, but something some people still don't mind eating before they go hungry... And something some twisted morons actually find more delectable than steak.
Oh, and FO3's a shitty dungeon crawler/exploration game/hiking simulaton. Whoever claimed that it's a good one deserves to be shot (IMHO).

 

[SpaceKungFuMan]

But we are getting way off topic here. Fallout 3 is shit, and saying its "good for what it is" or is a "good dungeon crawler/exploration game/hiking simulator" is like saying you went to the shit buffet, sampled all the shits, then decided to eat the type of shit that tastes the least horrible. In the end, you're still eating shit.

To be fair, the whole "good for what it is"-angle fits this analogy better:

You went to the steak buffet because it read "Steak 3 buffet", sampled some of the food and realized that all they were offering were red beets and cold McDonald's burgers. In the end, you're eating something you didn't want, something that is different from what you were promised, but something some people still don't mind eating before they go hungry... And something some twisted morons actually find more delectable than steak.
Oh, and FO3's a shitty dungeon crawler/exploration game/hiking simulaton. Whoever claimed that it's a good one deserves to be shot (IMHO).

I agree that if you went in thinking the game would be good, your analogy is better. But did anyone actually go in thinking that? We knew a lot about that game before it came out.

 

[JarlFrank]

It's more like you going to a shitty cheap burger restaurant where you expected to be served the most horrible food you've ever tasted but then it turned out a lot better than you expected even though it was still much much worse than what you're usually used to, but at least it was better than the time you went to Oblivion Burgers so at least it's not *that* horrible.

 

[Jaesun]

I think the shit analogy is far more accurate.

 

[Havoc]

F3 is shit.

End of the line.

 

[WalmartJesus]

Divine Divinity is an action rpg. Bloodlines is an action rpg. These are rpgs that happen to have action combat. The games you are talking about are action games that happen to have rpg elements. See the difference?

umm yeah,obviously there's gonna be a huge difference between VTM:B and games like Demon's Souls or Mount and Blade.

You're right though, Those games do lean more on the action side,however IMO,they also have enough RPG elements to warrant being labeled as "Action RPGs".

 

[Ivory Samoan]

Excatly ME2 is fun to play papamole without magic, elves and shit. No more no less.

I thought it was boring as hell. I'd much rather spend my time playing a proper PC shooter. The only good thing about Mass Effect is the renegade dialogue choices, and you can watch those on youtube.

Whatever dude... it's a brilliant game but I guess we're all entitled to an opinion.

On the subject of Fallout 3, I loved it - it's not as good as FO1 or 2 (as they are ridiculously excellent and my number 1 and 3 in my top 5 rpg of all time type list) - but not many games are... New Vegas was great too, got a little boring after most of the exploring was done, still good though.

Looking forward to ME3 *waits for trollistic response* haha..

 

[GarfunkeL]

Nah, can't be arsed to. Maybe when you've stayed a little longer here.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

Haha.. good response. Think I will stay for a while, this place came recommended in Cuisine magazine, I hear the fish and veal selection is AMAZING.

Love a good piece of veal.