Has your opinion of Obsidian changed after Avellone’s revelations and Deadfire?

[J_C]

I wonder if they'd have a few interesting things to say about that.

Guess we'll never know.

 

[Quillon]

but we also know from Anthony Davis that the regular devs are treated well.

We don't know from him, but heard according to him. MCA was speaking about his own story, Davis claims that everyone's happy. Above there's a list of everyone that quit, I wonder if they'd have a few interesting things to say about that.

People quit for bad treatment or had to be laid off?

 

[J_C]

You know who else wishes that people affiliated with things they don't like lose their job and live a miserable life?

SJWs.

There is a difference between wishing and hoping, and actually actively pursuing such an outcome.

Guess which one describes SJWs.

And still both of them is shitty. It's just if you are actively pursuing it, you are even more rotten to the core. Congrats, you are not as rotten as an SJW, you are just half as rotten.

 

[fantadomat]

For me a bigger problems is the interfering the game making and not the "bad" treatment. They are grown people,if they don't like working in such atmosphere they can leave. We are not talking about child abuse but about old dudes.

 

[Cael]

And still both of them is shitty. It's just if you are actively pursuing it, you are even more rotten to the core. Congrats, you are not as rotten as an SJW, you are just half as rotten.

Wrong. There is a good reason why people are not prosecuted for thinking things (well, for now anyway), only for doing. It is the same reason why thought policing is considered by non-lefties as a bad thing, and it is not because the lefties are all for it.

 

[J_C]

Above there's a list of everyone that quit, I wonder if they'd have a few interesting things to say about that.

Laying off people after a huge AAA project is finished is standard industry practive unfortunately. I'm pretty sure these people didn't leave because they thought Obsidian is a shitty place.

 

[Cael]

I'm pretty sure these people didn't leave because they thought Obsidian is a shitty place.

Is that because it is the truth or because it is the interpretation that supports your thesis?

Surely even you admit that it is a pretty weak argument to make, being completely without a shred of evidence and so coincidentally bolstering your assertion.

 

[J_C]

And still both of them is shitty. It's just if you are actively pursuing it, you are even more rotten to the core. Congrats, you are not as rotten as an SJW, you are just half as rotten.

Wrong. There is a good reason why people are not prosecuted for thinking things (well, for now anyway), only for doing. It is the same reason why thought policing is considered by non-lefties as a bad thing, and it is not because the lefties are all for it.

Of course it is not prosecuted (thankfully). But if you think wishing someone to lose his/her job, when he/she didn't do anything wrong is not a bad thing, then you are just as scummy as SJWs.

I'm pretty sure these people didn't leave because they thought Obsidian is a shitty place.

Is that because it is the truth or because it is the interpretation that supports your thesis?

Surely even you admit that it is a pretty weak argument to make, being completely without a shred of evidence and so coincidentally bolstering your assertion.

I have just as much evidence to my theory as you have to yours.

 

[Cael]

Of course it is not prosecuted (thankfully). But if you think wishing someone to lose his/her job, when he/she didn't do anything wrong is not a bad thing, then you are just as scummy as SJWs.

In two sentences, you contradict yourself completely.

I have just as much evidence to my theory as you have to yours.

Wrong. I made no assertion. I am not even involved in the whole "people leaving Obsidian" thing. Therefore, the only one making assertions in this conversation where that is concerned is you.

That said, statistically, that many people leaving at the same time is a sign of a company or department in strife. When I have a department with 100% turnover on average over 2 years (i.e., 200% turnover over two years), I'd really start asking serious questions as to how that department is being runned. I have seen that happen. It is not because of restructuring as you would like to believe.

Bullying, harrassement, favouritism, arbitrary demotions to fit in the favourites, protected species, racism, and other forms of discriminations tend to be the driving factors when that many people leave in a short space of time.

 

[Quillon]

I'm pretty sure these people didn't leave because they thought Obsidian is a shitty place.

Is that because it is the truth or because it is the interpretation that supports your thesis?

Surely even you admit that it is a pretty weak argument to make, being completely without a shred of evidence and so coincidentally bolstering your assertion.

Evidence is Stormlands cancellation etc that they had lay off a lot of people, the official story. Do you know anything about those 52(?) people leaving cos they were treated badly?

 

[fantadomat]

Of course it is not prosecuted (thankfully). But if you think wishing someone to lose his/her job, when he/she didn't do anything wrong is not a bad thing, then you are just as scummy as SJWs.

There is a big difference between wishing someone to loose their job and acting upon it. Also i don't get all that thing about loosing their job as something very evil. Big deal they will find another one. Is that some western mentality that if you loose your job it is end of the world? I see nothing wrong for people to want someone to get fired because they do poor job at their work. If the garson spits in my stake while serving it of course i will want him kicked out,why should any other job be any different?


PS:I don't want Obsidian to go under,i want them to kick out half the idiots there,hire capable people and deliver incline. Sadly that won't happen.

 

[Cael]

I'm pretty sure these people didn't leave because they thought Obsidian is a shitty place.

Is that because it is the truth or because it is the interpretation that supports your thesis?

Surely even you admit that it is a pretty weak argument to make, being completely without a shred of evidence and so coincidentally bolstering your assertion.

Evidence is Stormlands cancellation etc that they had lay off a lot of people, the official story. Do you know anything about those 52(?) people leaving cos they were treated badly?

Son, hiring people when you need them and then firing them when you are done using them is treating them badly. "You have outlived your usefulness" is said by no good ruler ever.

 

[J_C]

That said, statistically, that many people leaving at the same time is a sign of a company or department in strife.

You know how shitty a company has to be that 52 people suddenly stands up and leaves? Obsidian would be like hell, and we probably had a few of those people to spill the beans. Not speaking about reading some articles on it. Yet we heared nothing. That's why I assume they were laid of as standard industry practice in AAA development.

 

[Cael]

Is that some western mentality that if you loose your job it is end of the world?

It is a traditional Asian one. Families have been destroyed because one member lost his job because the rest of the family will turn on him and make it his fault that he lost the job. That he didn't "endure" enough.

 

[Cael]

You know how shitty a company has to be that 52 people suddenly stands up and leaves? Obsidian would be like hell, and we probably had a few of those people to spill the beans. Not speaking about reading some articles on it. Yet we heared nothing. That's why I assume they were laid of as standard industry practice in AAA development.

As a percentage of its staff, how much is that 52?

I have a department where 16 people left over the course of 2 years. That department has a staff of 8.

Would you consider that department heaven then, because only 16 people left?

 

[J_C]

I see nothing wrong for people to want someone to get fired because they do poor job at their work

Neither do I. What I said:

But if you think wishing someone to lose his/her job, when he/she didn't do anything wrong is not a bad thing,

And yes, losing a job is a bad thing, and if you don't think it is, you either never had a job, or never lost a job you needed to feed your family.

Is that some western mentality that if you loose your job it is end of the world?

I'd rather think it is the opposite. Western people are more wealthy, so they have their reserves and they can take their time to find a new job. In Second/third World countries however, you are in pretty big shit if you lose your job from one day to the other. You get some small money from the government, but it is not enough for shit. You of all people should know this.

 

[fantadomat]

Is that some western mentality that if you loose your job it is end of the world?

It is a traditional Asian one. Families have been destroyed because one member lost his job because the rest of the family will turn on him and make it his fault that he lost the job. That he didn't "endure" enough.

The Asian thing i do get it,but that one i don't.

 

[Cael]

Is that some western mentality that if you loose your job it is end of the world?

It is a traditional Asian one. Families have been destroyed because one member lost his job because the rest of the family will turn on him and make it his fault that he lost the job. That he didn't "endure" enough.

The Asian thing i do get it,but that one i don't.

It is basically kicking a guy when he is already down. I don't condone it myself, and if any of my family did that to me, they can consider themselves ex-family because I certainly will.

 

[Grauken]

I'm pretty sure these people didn't leave because they thought Obsidian is a shitty place.

Is that because it is the truth or because it is the interpretation that supports your thesis?

Surely even you admit that it is a pretty weak argument to make, being completely without a shred of evidence and so coincidentally bolstering your assertion.

Evidence is Stormlands cancellation etc that they had lay off a lot of people, the official story. Do you know anything about those 52(?) people leaving cos they were treated badly?

Son, hiring people when you need them and then firing them when you are done using them is treating them badly. "You have outlived your usefulness" is said by no good ruler ever.

Also most of the people firing someone often have no clue of his real work and when they find out 18 months later that they actually really need that one guy or at least what's in his head, they're really fucked

 

[fantadomat]

And yes, losing a job is a bad thing, and if you don't think it is, you either never had a job, or never lost a job you needed to feed your family.

Don't you guys,you know,save money for rainy days??? A man should always have money forat least 3-6 months of joblessness. If you can't take care of your family for a month without a job....i don't know what to say mate. If a person falls in situation that he doesn't have money,he should just take any job that comes his way,or even two.

 

[J_C]

And yes, losing a job is a bad thing, and if you don't think it is, you either never had a job, or never lost a job you needed to feed your family.

Don't you guys,you know,save money for rainy days??? A man should always have money fort least 3-6 months of joblessness. If you can't take care of your family for a month without a job....i don't know what to say mate.

Jesus Christ, you are really so out of this world that you think that everyone has it as good as you? Wake the fuck up, not everyone has such a good paying job. Many people are poor, or make just enough to pay the rent and food.

 

[fantadomat]

Is that some western mentality that if you loose your job it is end of the world?

It is a traditional Asian one. Families have been destroyed because one member lost his job because the rest of the family will turn on him and make it his fault that he lost the job. That he didn't "endure" enough.

The Asian thing i do get it,but that one i don't.

It is basically kicking a guy when he is already down. I don't condone it myself, and if any of my family did that to me, they can consider themselves ex-family because I certainly will.

Well yeah that about the family bickering i don't agree with,close people should help each other in shitty moments.

I'm pretty sure these people didn't leave because they thought Obsidian is a shitty place.

Is that because it is the truth or because it is the interpretation that supports your thesis?

Surely even you admit that it is a pretty weak argument to make, being completely without a shred of evidence and so coincidentally bolstering your assertion.

Evidence is Stormlands cancellation etc that they had lay off a lot of people, the official story. Do you know anything about those 52(?) people leaving cos they were treated badly?

Son, hiring people when you need them and then firing them when you are done using them is treating them badly. "You have outlived your usefulness" is said by no good ruler ever.

Also most of the people firing someone often have no clue of his real work and when they find out 18 months later that they actually really need that one guy or at least what's in his head, they're really fucked

I don't have problem with company "using" employees as long they make it clear from earlier that they will remain without a job after the project is done. That way it is clear for what you are hired and after the job is done you get the money,recommendation and some time to search for a new job.

And yeah Grauken ,companies to tend to fire some people and get fucked a year later when they find what those people were doing. There is a good reason why huge corporations are so wasteful and earn a third of what they could.

 

[fantadomat]

And yes, losing a job is a bad thing, and if you don't think it is, you either never had a job, or never lost a job you needed to feed your family.

Don't you guys,you know,save money for rainy days??? A man should always have money fort least 3-6 months of joblessness. If you can't take care of your family for a month without a job....i don't know what to say mate.

Jesus Christ, you are really so out of this world that you think that everyone has it as good as you? Wake the fuck up, not everyone has such a good paying job. Many people are poor, or make just enough to pay the rent and food.

Pretty far from being rich ,just can live a few month with half the money. Food here is pretty cheap and decent tho.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Substantial layoffs are common in the vidya industry, we've heard this from several sources. Maybe Chris Avellone can share his experience with us, since he's been somewhat of a developer nomad these last couple of years. Have you seen layoffs at this scale happen in other companies?

 

[Lacrymas]

Jesus Christ, you are really so out of this world that you think that everyone has it as good as you? Wake the fuck up, not everyone has such a good paying job. Many people are poor, or make just enough to pay the rent and food.

Pretty far from being rich ,just can live a few month with half the money. Food here is pretty cheap and decent tho.

Nah, food here is ridiculously expensive. Well, unless you only buy bread, wieners and mayonnaise, I guess. My parents have been living abroad for close to 2 years now and they say the food is 10 times cheaper when you take into account the bigger salaries. Anyway, fantadomat is right to point out that you have to save money for rainy days and it's kinda weird that a person from a Second World country can do it, while a guy from Hungary (a place with a lot better economy than us) can't.