Anime How much do you hate consoles? (PC master race sentiment)

[Nutmeg]

Japanese devs being stuck on consoles is part of the problem. Imagine what kind of games we could have gotten if Japan had adopted the PC platform.

What do you mean "stuck on consoles" or "adopted the PC platform"? There has never been a time where at least some Japanese developers weren't developing for PCs, and for some developers during some time periods PCs were their primary platform (Konami, Artdink, Exact, Wolf Team, Technosoft, Falcom, Koei).

The issue is rather that Japanese PC games remain largely untranslated. Royal Blood 2 translation never. Power Dolls 3 translation started then never.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Who gives a fuck about "some" Japanese developers, retard? We are talking about their entire industry at large, which has been locked on consoles exclusively.

Damn you are literally confiriming the reason i fucking hate consoletards. Same mindset.

 

[Yuggoth]

Who gives a fuck about "some" Japanese developrs, retard? We are talking about their entire industry at large, which has been locked on consoles exclusively.

Damn you are literally confiriming the reason i fucking hate consoletards. Same mindset.

That was valid like 10 years ago. The vast majority of Japanese devs and players love the PC master race now. At worst, we're getting everything from there with a few months delay.

I genuinely can't think of a single title right now that's still exclusive to consoles (there's probably some obscure anime stuff that never left Switch, but that's pretty much it).

https://www.serkantoto.com/2023/08/30/japan-gaming-market-size/

https://www.serkantoto.com/2022/11/06/japan-pc-gaming-market/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/18zqqj5/japan_using_playstation_pc_games_to_promote_steam/

 

[Lyric Suite]

That's a moot point. Games are made for consoles first and foremost, dare i say exclusively, and that goes for the west as much as the east. They then get ported on the PC but so what, they are still console games.

 

[Yuggoth]

That's nothing new though. Apart from some indies, your typical RTS stuff and your run-on-the-mill Korean MMO, did we have any major release after... 2006/2007 made for PC first and foremost? The only game I played that matches this criteria was Half-Life: Alyx. And that was Valve's cute little VR experiment.

There's something extremely fucked up with how consoletards boast about crap like Horizon and The Last of Us, while something like HL2 or the first S.T.A.L.K.E.R. can still beat them when it comes to physics, AI, interactive world etc. Then again, I also blame the sheeple who can put up with game design that hasn't evolved since the late PS2 days, as long as you can see every mole on Aloy's face or having realistic sweat drops on Abby's forehead while she gets railed from behind in TLoU2.

 

[Morgoth]

What is a console these days? A stunted PC.

 

[Nutmeg]

Who gives a fuck about "some" Japanese developers, retard? We are talking about their entire industry at large, which has been locked on consoles exclusively.

Damn you are literally confiriming the reason i fucking hate consoletards. Same mindset.

So your complaint isn't that there are no Japanese PC games, or even that there aren't plenty of Japanese PC games, just that the "industry" is geared towards the larger console "market".

Do you think more resources means better games or something? Why the fuck do you care? Does it really matter that there are 100 Japanese PC games a year but 1000 Japanese Switch games a year (pretty sure the ratio is far more equal today anyway)? Why?

That's a moot point. Games are made for consoles first and foremost, dare i say exclusively, and that goes for the west as much as the east. They then get ported on the PC but so what, they are still console games.

Which is a bad thing because they aren't designed around your preferred HID? Or is it because they are designed to fit under-powered hardware (as if the power of hardware has had bearing at all if a game is good or not since the year 2003)? What is your complaint?

 

[Lyric Suite]

Who gives a fuck about "some" Japanese developers, retard? We are talking about their entire industry at large, which has been locked on consoles exclusively.

Damn you are literally confiriming the reason i fucking hate consoletards. Same mindset.

So your complaint isn't that there are no Japanese PC games, or even that there aren't plenty of Japanese PC games, just that the "industry" is geared towards the larger console "market".

Do you think more resources means better games or something? Why the fuck do you care? Does it really matter that there are 100 Japanese PC games a year but 1000 Japanese Switch games a year? (pretty sure the ratio isn't even like that, but lets say it is)?

There's nothing complicated about what i said bro you just got defensive because your tribalism kicked into gear at the MERE suggestion there may be any deficiency in your beloved Japofag world.

That the PC platform was largerely ignored by the Japanese gaming industry back when it mattered is a fact. That it managed to find its own niche is not relevant to the point i was making. And yes, it DOES matter that consoles recieve most of the attention fom the Japanese industry because it's the entire fucking point of me bringing it up.

 

[Nutmeg]

it DOES matter that consoles recieve most of the attention fom the Japanese industry because it's the entire fucking point of me bringing it up.

Why does it matter?

tribalism

What tribalism you retard, read my earlier post. I've literally been playing on PC my whole life. I started on PC in '90 as a toddler, sunk thousands of hours into SimCity, Civilization, MoO and Command and Conquer growing up. I considered other kids playing Mario and Street Fighter on their Nintendos retards. I fawned over my friend's PC capable of running Quake and Thief cause mine couldn't. Even when I got a console, I spent far more time playing Diablo 2, BG2 and R:TW than anything on my Saturn or GameCube. I was weaned on North American PC gaming and that is what I know best and I have nothing against it. I'm just telling you that Japanese developers were never "stuck" on consoles. They considered the PC, and they made games for PCs. You might wish they created 10,000 PC games a year instead of 100, I don't fucking care and that's a very retarded and arbitrary desire anyway.

 

[Ash]

But at some point in the mid-00s, consoles encroached upon the PC ecosystem and made everything worse. This is when I began to hate them.

The irony here is it was the other way around: PC devs invaded the console space, abandoned any shred of integrity, and fucked everything up with the Xbox and shitty godawful next gen versions of PC classics. Absolute dumbed down garbage like Oblivion, Bioshock and Mass Effect. Terrible new IPs like Gears of War. Invented sheer decline like microtransactions and achievements. All of this crap was not worthy to be on any platform, but bribed game journos propped them up alongside heavy marketing campaigns, because they were smart and understood that is all you really need to be successful (well, alongside pretty graphics). I despise sellout PC devs from that era for what they did to gaming at large (though almost forgive them because many of their older games were so fucking good).

Anyways, consoles of ye olde times were golden, and had numerous reasons to own one over a PC (but if you were chad like me, you owned everything). Consoles today have ZERO value. If you're an adult still investing in consoles, you're a damn fool. PCs offer everything consoles do x4 over. This was not remotely the case in 1990 something.

And lastly, if you've never explored console gaming in any capacity whatsoever (e.g emulation), then you're not a true gamer, kind of clueless really, as it makes up over half of the gaming market and is where half of the top quality games are to be found. Vice-versa for a console gamer that has never touched PC.

And those are the facts, like them or not.

 

[Nutmeg]

emulation

Emulation is how I got into console gaming and impatience waiting for an emulator is why I bought my first consoles (but never again). When I got into arcade emulation quite later (early 10s) that was like an epiphany as well. Whole new world of gaming opened up.

 

[Falksi]

Consoles bring endless divide due to exclusives.
Consoles limit hardware due to their limitations.
Consoles also perpetuate many retarded rent-seeking behaviors like having to pay for the ability to use the multiplayer side of your games.
Consoles are also against game preservation, as 99% of all games released on consoles are abandoned or lost or sit on copyright limbo forever. There would literally be no videogame history if PCs weren't a thing.
Dividing the devs attention between multiple platforms will inevitably force them into choosing one over the other, hence all the endless shit ports we have.
There's no argument about it, consoles need to die for the good of videogames and gamers as a whole.

I think Division is good as it creates competition. Peak gaming was when many companies and platforms offered the player something different and unique. Hell, in some cases you had the same titles offer completely different experiences on different platforms such was the desire to stand out (e.g. Aladdin on the SEGA Mega Drive & SNES are both completely different games)

I don't think consoles need to die, I think they need to return to what they once were - simplified physical-media based plug & play devices which offer an easy-access, bite sized, more popamole focused approach to gaming. This way they not only offer something different, but that draws the console-only mongs further away from PC gaming, and creates more space for PC games to be proper PC games with devs not trying to appease everyone.

Pipe dream I know, can't see it happening, but with modern consoles just being shit PCs the sooner there's more gaming racism/tribalism and the divide between tribes is strengthened the better.

 

[Nutmeg]

I think things are good now with PCs being a universal platform.

Of course it'd also be good to see more variation in input devices. More games designed around niche input devices like Virtual On (twin sticks), Densha de Go or Steel Batallion.

 

[Ryzer]

And then there's this ridicolous brand tribalism. Like a whle back there was a big controvery around Sony making some of their exclusives available to other platforms. Somehow this pissed off Playstation fans because smehow it "devalued" the brand. Like, wtf do you give a shit you don't even work for Sony bro.

Consoles exclusives are the only reasons consoles are worth it. If the game is available on PC there is no incentive to buy the console, this is precisely for this reason alone that Nintendo consoles sold so well because it had so many good exclusives (games like Metroid, Smash bros, Mario, Zelda, Luigi Mansion, Fire Emblem etc ...) only on their platforms. It also explains why they DMCA everything related to emulation.

 

[Nutmeg]

It'd also be good if the standards bodies could come up with a "boot to installed game" standard for PCs based on a file on a thumb drive that circumvents the OS login screen.

So you'd stick your thumb drive in to your PC, power it on, and it'd immediately run the game exe path specified in a "BOOTME" (or other conventionally named) file in the root directory of the thumb drive, with only a minimal part of the OS booted along with it.

 

[Ash]

I don't think consoles need to die, I think they need to return to what they once were - simplified physical-media based plug & play devices which offer an easy-access, bite sized, more popamole focused approach to gaming.

Popamole is never a good thing. It's analogous to braindead. Just so you're aware.

Consoles do need to die. They're worthless shitboxes now. In the 90s they were equally responsible for technology and game design innovation, now only decline. There isn't really anything they can do to catch up to PCs these days either. PCs do it all now. In the 90s it took a Windows PC ages to boot. There were no gaming laptops for portability. Modding was barely a thing, very much in its infancy. No local multiplayer unless LAN. You couldn't plug any USB-head controller in. Emulation wasn't a thing (for the most part). Steam wasn't a thing (and PC games had annoying DRM key codes making second hand purchase a pain in the ass too). Everything has changed and then some. All the many reasons to game on a console like second hand ownership, local multiplayer, fast boot times etc are gone, either because PCs do it now too, or the benefits were abandoned with later console releases. Oh and they used to have great, numerous exclusives but that is hardly the case now also. Consoles are just like PCs now but 4 times shittier and with added artificial restrictions on top like pay to play online. I can't name any upside whatsoever. While PCs have about 15 no-brainer upsides. You can even play classic console games with mods (romhacks) with ease.

The only way a console can ever be good again is if it does something absolutely ground-breaking, like is a dedicated gaming box that opens a portal to gaming worlds that you physically walk into. Your desire to go back to late 80s-early 90s arcade gaming at home aint it lol. Just emulate and romhack those old games there's more than enough to fuck around with.

 

[StaticSpine]

I hate console exclusivity. Give people the ability to play on whatever platform they want and get more money, this makes no sense now that consoles are just downgraded PCs.

 

[Losus4]

I don't hate consoles. I have more going on in my life than to stress over something so trivial.

 

[Ryzer]

I hate console exclusivity. Give people the ability to play on whatever platform they want and get more money, this makes no sense now that consoles are just downgraded PCs.

Console exclusivity is the only reason consoles exist, otherwise there is no reason to buy a Nintendo console for example. Nintendo knows this.

 

[Necrensha]

Consoles bring endless divide due to exclusives.
Consoles limit hardware due to their limitations.
Consoles also perpetuate many retarded rent-seeking behaviors like having to pay for the ability to use the multiplayer side of your games.
Consoles are also against game preservation, as 99% of all games released on consoles are abandoned or lost or sit on copyright limbo forever. There would literally be no videogame history if PCs weren't a thing.
Dividing the devs attention between multiple platforms will inevitably force them into choosing one over the other, hence all the endless shit ports we have.
There's no argument about it, consoles need to die for the good of videogames and gamers as a whole.

I think Division is good as it creates competition. Peak gaming was when many companies and platforms offered the player something different and unique. Hell, in some cases you had the same titles offer completely different experiences on different platforms such was the desire to stand out (e.g. Aladdin on the SEGA Mega Drive & SNES are both completely different games)

I don't think consoles need to die, I think they need to return to what they once were - simplified physical-media based plug & play devices which offer an easy-access, bite sized, more popamole focused approach to gaming. This way they not only offer something different, but that draws the console-only mongs further away from PC gaming, and creates more space for PC games to be proper PC games with devs not trying to appease everyone.

Pipe dream I know, can't see it happening, but with modern consoles just being shit PCs the sooner there's more gaming racism and the divide between tribes is strengthened the better.

You are right that competition is always good, however, Microsoft is looking to get out of the race and Sony isn't doing so hot either.
Nobody else seems to want to try, so in the future it's likely that there's only Nintendo left unless we count the Steam Deck as an additional console.
The problem is that hardware is becoming obsolete too fast for little gain, the PS5 for instance is absurdly expensive compared to the tiny library of games it has and they're already thinking of the PS6 so we're reaching an unsustainable point in time. This could all change if somebody informed the big wigs that the majority of players are still playing decades old games like Fortnite, League, Minecraft, Counter, etc and there's no need to dedicate an entire decade making some random multiplayer shooter like Concord.
But yeah, nothing short of bankruptcy will change any of this.

 

[Nutmeg]

Nintendo going bankrupt will be a very happy day.

 

[StaticSpine]

I hate console exclusivity. Give people the ability to play on whatever platform they want and get more money, this makes no sense now that consoles are just downgraded PCs.

Console exclusivity is the only reason consoles exist, otherwise there is no reason to buy a Nintendo console for example. Nintendo knows this.

Look at Xbone, they gave up on exclusivity. Look at Sony, they started releasing their biggest exclusives on PC as well. Nintendo is the only one still standing.

TBH, I expected the next generation (it was before PS5 and XBOX1) to become services. Like you pay for a subscription and play the console's catalog. I have no idea why going through the hassle of making new hardware with all the logistics and supply-demand issues and underselling it, I'm p. sure the technologies are already there to allow playing through cloud services and whatnot.

 

[Falksi]

Nintendo going bankrupt will be a very happy day.

Agreed.

Whilst I respect them for some of their old-school game design, their determination to wipe out emulation and their extreme franchise-milking are both hugely detrimental to what I want to see and play in gaming.

I've also lost respect for them being innovators too, as Switch to Switch 2 looks no different than PS5 to PS5 pro.

 

[Ash]

I still would like to know what nintendo games from the last 15 years are top quality and worth going out of my way for? I am aware of none. Not to say there isn't any. Genuine question.

 

[Falksi]

I still would like to know what nintendo games from the last 15 years are top quality and worth going out of my way for? I am aware of none. Not to say there isn't any. Genuine question.

I've not played that much of their recent stuff, but I'd ask the same question. TOTK is one of the most tedious games I've played of theirs, Mario Wonder feels vapid and frictionless, even BOTW felt empty and lacking.

I think they just get by now on brand name alone tbh. They also seemed to have figured out how to keep gaming journos on-side superbly too, TOTK getting 10/10 is wild.