Jagged Alliance 3 from Haemimont Games

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Congratulations to the RPG Codex GotY 2023!

 

[Kaidanovsky]

Probably the wrong place to ask, but has anyone played this on the PS5? I'm too lazy to get off the couch. Does playing with a controller feel like a chore?

 

[spectre]

I wasn't really following but wow, the year must have been rough for rpggames.

 

[Yosharian]

I really don't understand why people dislike this game

 

[Baron Dupek]

I really don't understand why people dislike this game

Because it's not as glorious as the OG JA2.
Even though it's the most succesful attempt at creating new JA when compared to previous garbage...

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

I hope they at some point realize that they need to nerf the sniper rifles and buff up the automatics.

 

[Mortmal]

Probably the wrong place to ask, but has anyone played this?

Of course not, and you should refrain asking this, its very rude to play games here.

 

[spectre]

I really don't understand why people dislike this game

Too much rpg in my tactical game.
Also: fuck scramble turns and whoever thinks it is a good idea.

I could probably sperg all day about the mechanical depth being underwhelming, the spiel basically as old as jagged alliance itself - them's some darn big shoes to fill, not to mention 1.13 sets a pretty high bar,
but what it really boils down to: the mechanical systems just feel too game-ified, as though every modern turn based game needs to be turned into an excum.

 

[Kaidanovsky]

I really don't understand why people dislike this game

Too much rpg in my tactical game.
Also: fuck scramble turns and whoever thinks it is a good idea.

I could probably sperg all day about the mechanical depth being underwhelming, the spiel basically as old as jagged alliance itself - them's some darn big shoes to fill, not to mention 1.13 sets a pretty high bar,
but what it really boils down to: the mechanical systems just feel too game-ified, as though every modern turn based game needs to be turned into an excum.

How much RPG is that? How does it compare to a really good RPG, like, let's say, BG3?

 

[revani]

We all know how this ends

Spoiler

^ NOT an accurate representation of Body Count by the way. Up until this fight, I played through the tutorial island + the red diamond port and the mine. The amount of enemies and the challenge they presented were reasonable.

The biggest challenge has been going in blindly and getting sucker-punched by the game. Not that I complain, I asked for this by playing in ironman mode. Though sometimes, not being able to predict how a mechanic will work can be annoying.

red diamond

I knew I had to approach Red Diamond stealthily because I had map note about how the slavemaster would attack the slaves (and I remembered from locals talking about it in my previous playthrough. protip: talk to villagers). But as I was sneaking to scout the map, going under the bridge triggered a cutscene. It was at night and I wasn't under spotlights. Fortunately I could retreat, so it only costed one dead slave and a few meds to heal 3 wounds from a 83 damage sniper shot (that part was careless on my end).

But I like the game making me adjust my plans with stuff like Biff or N-Night. Adds to the difficulty and stops the game from getting dull.

edit:

lol

 

[Lord of Riva]

I wasn't really following but wow, the year must have been rough for rpggames.

I don't think it was, really. JA 3 is just e genuine good game that we can still identify as an RPG, thats it.

 

[Ladonna]

I really don't understand why people dislike this game

Too much rpg in my tactical game.
Also: fuck scramble turns and whoever thinks it is a good idea.

I could probably sperg all day about the mechanical depth being underwhelming, the spiel basically as old as jagged alliance itself - them's some darn big shoes to fill, not to mention 1.13 sets a pretty high bar,
but what it really boils down to: the mechanical systems just feel too game-ified, as though every modern turn based game needs to be turned into an excum.

How much RPG is that? How does it compare to a really good RPG, like, let's say, BG3?

Well, going by the latest RPG Codex Role Playing Game of the year poll, it beats BG3.

 

[spectre]

How much RPG is that? How does it compare to a really good RPG, like, let's say, BG3?

There is none of the fetishist stuff like overt dice rolls or romances (unless you count Fox being very into Wolf, horny teenager style) so this may come a plus for some.
For me, I've played some back in the day (Fallout 1-2, Planetescape, BG1-2, etc.), but recently came to a conclusion that I just don't like RPGs.

I suppose my subjective complaint is that all dialogues and quests interrupt the flow of the strategic game - you come to each new sector and find out it's filled
with shit to do, and some will take days to complete with all sorts of fetching, backtracking and scripted combat (and some are really dumb, like a Karen looking for her passport).
You can of course ignore them, but for an ocd completionist, it's easy to get burned out.

 

[revani]

I suppose my subjective complaint is that all dialogues and quests interrupt the flow of the strategic game - you come to each new sector and find out it's filled
with shit to do, and some will take days to complete with all sorts of fetching, backtracking and scripted combat (and some are really dumb, like a Karen looking for her passport).
You can of course ignore them, but for an ocd completionist, it's easy to get burned out.

I get where you are coming from, it's the reason I dread RPGs nowadays. Original Sin games were the biggest offenders imo. NPCs would speak through paragraphs to reveal very little, with a weird voice acting that sounded unnatural. They would talk with a tone like everything they say is supposed to be funny, while the humour was sub-par at best. I liked those games overall but the amount of stuff that I would told to do after entering a new town was always overwhelming.

That being said it's nowhere near close to what we have in JA3. The quests are mostly about going out there and exploring - which you want to do anyways. Most quests can be triggered or solved without talking to the original quest giver. I thought area to quest ratio was pretty reasonable too. Never felt like I had too much to too - on the contrary you have to sometimes stop what you're doing an focus on that one thing the game forces you to do (it's not mandatory to do these things but they are beneficial and affect the story), and it fits the setting.

Dialogue is fine as well. Conversations are short and to the point. It's obvious that the writers didn't care too much about the writing and just put down stuff they thought was fun. Unlike the wannabe writer english majors of modern game design. I like to play my tactic games while I'm baked, and there's been a lot of ocasions where I laughed thinking "wtf did this guy just say". That's enough for me. Kinda reminds me of ATOM RPG. There's terrible voice acting in some places (can still hear herman going "got damn LÉ-JOHN!") but meh.

Can't say I felt like there's too much backtracking either. Whenever I'm back with my main squad in a town, there's usually a reason to stay there some more (whether it's healing or training or repairing). Later in the game, you can also complete quests and haul stuff with the useless free story mercs if your main squad is too far away.

 

[Stavrophore]

When will serious modding start with this game?

 

[Kaidanovsky]

I really don't understand why people dislike this game

Too much rpg in my tactical game.
Also: fuck scramble turns and whoever thinks it is a good idea.

I could probably sperg all day about the mechanical depth being underwhelming, the spiel basically as old as jagged alliance itself - them's some darn big shoes to fill, not to mention 1.13 sets a pretty high bar,
but what it really boils down to: the mechanical systems just feel too game-ified, as though every modern turn based game needs to be turned into an excum.

How much RPG is that? How does it compare to a really good RPG, like, let's say, BG3?

Well, going by the latest RPG Codex Role Playing Game of the year poll, it beats BG3.

Must be one of the greatest RPGs of all time!

How much RPG is that? How does it compare to a really good RPG, like, let's say, BG3?

There is none of the fetishist stuff like overt dice rolls or romances (unless you count Fox being very into Wolf, horny teenager style) so this may come a plus for some.
For me, I've played some back in the day (Fallout 1-2, Planetescape, BG1-2, etc.), but recently came to a conclusion that I just don't like RPGs.

I suppose my subjective complaint is that all dialogues and quests interrupt the flow of the strategic game - you come to each new sector and find out it's filled
with shit to do, and some will take days to complete with all sorts of fetching, backtracking and scripted combat (and some are really dumb, like a Karen looking for her passport).
You can of course ignore them, but for an ocd completionist, it's easy to get burned out.

Doesn't sound horrible but is there a point to it? Rare rewards, c&c, entertainment value? I mean, there's probably no point in asking since it's one of the greatest RPGs of all time.

 

[Stavrophore]

Grauken? Mortmal? Spit it out already!

 

[Modron]

Doesn't sound horrible but is there a point to it? Rare rewards, c&c, entertainment value? I mean, there's probably no point in asking since it's one of the greatest RPGs of all time.

Yeah there are unique weapons and gear to be found within the world and a number of them at the end of longer quests. Yeah there is c&c with how to handle areas, quests, and for example in the north there are two mutualy exclusive factions to work with and absorb.

 

[Saduj]

Finished the RPG Codex 2023 RPG of the Year last night. The last enemy I took out was the Colonel and decided to try to bring everyone. I wanted to send one squad to the front gate, 1 1/2 squads to the back gate and one squad up into the main building using the underground network. And I was pleasantly surprised that the game allowed me to do exactly that.

Got a very brief, lukewarm ending. It mentioned the president being saved. There was a good ending for one town. And Corazon gets in some trouble but not for war crimes with her accusations against my mercs still being black mark against our reputation (this slide also pictured one merc I used with two I didn't).

I think Corazon got off lightly because I didn't bother to try to rescue Biff. From what I read online, there are four pieces of evidence you need to get the best ending and Biff gives you one of them. Kind of disappointing that the evidence is treated as an interchangeable commodity rather than different pieces representing specific things but whatever.

I skipped stuff that just involved backtracking to areas and clicking on things like finding the farm treasure and fixing all the effigies. I also didn't bother using the token to get into the fight club or whatever it is once I killed Siegfried because I had other stuff to do and by that point it seemed pointless. Other than that, I thought I did everything but I must have missed some stuff. I guess I should have realized I was playing a full fledged RPG, not a tactical game.

 

[Strange Fellow]

The main problem with Corazon's ending is that you can't shoot her in the face and be done with her.

 

[ArchAngel]

I really don't understand why people dislike this game

Too much rpg in my tactical game.
Also: fuck scramble turns and whoever thinks it is a good idea.

I could probably sperg all day about the mechanical depth being underwhelming, the spiel basically as old as jagged alliance itself - them's some darn big shoes to fill, not to mention 1.13 sets a pretty high bar,
but what it really boils down to: the mechanical systems just feel too game-ified, as though every modern turn based game needs to be turned into an excum.

How much RPG is that? How does it compare to a really good RPG, like, let's say, BG3?

Well, going by the latest RPG Codex Role Playing Game of the year poll, it beats BG3.

I guess year 2023 is even worse then one when rolling simulator (TW3) won GOTY.

 

[Lord of Riva]

I really don't understand why people dislike this game

Too much rpg in my tactical game.
Also: fuck scramble turns and whoever thinks it is a good idea.

I could probably sperg all day about the mechanical depth being underwhelming, the spiel basically as old as jagged alliance itself - them's some darn big shoes to fill, not to mention 1.13 sets a pretty high bar,
but what it really boils down to: the mechanical systems just feel too game-ified, as though every modern turn based game needs to be turned into an excum.

How much RPG is that? How does it compare to a really good RPG, like, let's say, BG3?

Well, going by the latest RPG Codex Role Playing Game of the year poll, it beats BG3.

I guess year 2023 is even worse then one when rolling simulator (TW3) won GOTY.

you are a JA2 enthusiast, I really do not know why you have so much beef with JA3. 2 is good, so is 3 (which was a big surprise) you should be happy.

 

[ArchAngel]

I really don't understand why people dislike this game

Too much rpg in my tactical game.
Also: fuck scramble turns and whoever thinks it is a good idea.

I could probably sperg all day about the mechanical depth being underwhelming, the spiel basically as old as jagged alliance itself - them's some darn big shoes to fill, not to mention 1.13 sets a pretty high bar,
but what it really boils down to: the mechanical systems just feel too game-ified, as though every modern turn based game needs to be turned into an excum.

How much RPG is that? How does it compare to a really good RPG, like, let's say, BG3?

Well, going by the latest RPG Codex Role Playing Game of the year poll, it beats BG3.

I guess year 2023 is even worse then one when rolling simulator (TW3) won GOTY.

you are a JA2 enthusiast, I really do not know why you have so much beef with JA3. 2 is good, so is 3 (which was a big surprise) you should be happy.

3 might be good once mods fix it.

 

[Volrath]

I wasn't really following but wow, the year must have been rough for rpggames.

I don't think it was, really. JA 3 is just e genuine good game that we can still identify as an RPG, thats it.

No it isn't lol.

 

[Lord of Riva]

I wasn't really following but wow, the year must have been rough for rpggames.

I don't think it was, really. JA 3 is just e genuine good game that we can still identify as an RPG, thats it.

No it isn't lol.

GOTY poll disagrees.