Incline Josh Sawyer appreciation station

[luj1]

As he started to invest more time into hipster shit like cycling, bitches, tattoos, drinking and partying, his abilities declined.

He just isn't a good lead and never will be. Doesn't have the balls for system design

Soyer works best when he is led, not the other way around

 

[0sacred]

As he started to invest more time into hipster shit like cycling, bitches, tattoos, drinking and partying, his abilities declined.

He just isn't a good lead and never will be. Doesn't have the balls for system design

Soyer works best when he is led, not the other way around

Pillows 1 was kind of ballsy, though for Deadfire my guess is there was a lot more input from other people (dangerhairs) he didn't have the guts to dismiss. Maybe he even welcomed that kind of contribution, depending on how many soy lattes he had before.

 

[Roguey]

Beaton's mega cringe because she had multiple mental breakdowns because all the dudes who worked on the oil sands were into her (on account of there being virtually no women there of course, it's hard physical labor).

 

[Hace El Oso]

Of course the only woman in the oil sands was just infiltrating for a book instead of doing honest work.

 

[Alienman]

Of course the only woman in the oil sands was just infiltrating for a book instead of doing honest work.

Wonder if that was something they expected.

 

[ChaDargo]

Why does anyone care about this guy? It makes no sense to me lol New Vegas? Is that it?

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Why does anyone care about this guy? It makes no sense to me lol New Vegas? Is that it?

I like when New Vegas Man talk about drinks/alcohol.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Pillows 1 was kind of ballsy, though for Deadfire my guess is there was a lot more input from other people (dangerhairs) he didn't have the guts to dismiss. Maybe he even welcomed that kind of contribution, depending on how many soy lattes he had before.

Pillars of Eternity suffered from stretch goals. Rather than develop a core basis of its systems, they began fishing for money by selling everyone on niches. In an attempt to make those niches meaningful and distinct, the fundamental systems suffered. They could have started with magic users and non-magic users, then branched out from there. Instead they got overly granular and turned everything into a gimmick that sucked.

The only smart choice that came from all of that was to disconnect skills from classes.

 

[luj1]

Pillars of Eternity suffered from stretch goals. Rather than develop a core basis of its systems, they began fishing for money by selling everyone on niches.

Hopefully someone understands, expressed im one simple sentence, one of the major problems of modern RPGs.

 

[luj1]

In an attempt to make those niches meaningful and distinct, the fundamental systems suffered.

I doubt there was an effort to make them meaningful and distinct. The effort was only in making them in basic form. These are shallow systems.

Pillars is not the only culprit, but also Owlcat games.

 

[gurugeorge]

In an attempt to make those niches meaningful and distinct, the fundamental systems suffered.

I doubt there was an effort to make them meaningful and distinct. The effort was only in making them in basic form. These are shallow systems.

Pillars is not the only culprit, but also Owlcat games.

Yeah I think this a big factor. They try to stuff everything in and a lot of it ends up poorly integrated - often, you can see that it might have been better if they'd spent more time on it, but they seldom do and are always rushed.

It's a painful thing to contemplate for me, because I want all the things in my computer games. But we're always bumping up against limitations of budget, manpower, enthusiasm, ROI for suits, etc.

 

[Oberon]

Beaton's mega cringe because she had multiple mental breakdowns because all the dudes who worked on the oil sands were into her (on account of there being virtually no women there of course, it's hard physical labor).

Nah, the unions make sure that no hard physical labor takes place, and there are plenty of women working there as hiring is based entirely on who you know and getting the wife a job there means two six figure incomes in the household.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Yeah I think this a big factor. They try to stuff everything in and a lot of it ends up poorly integrated - often, you can see that it might have been better if they'd spent more time on it, but they seldom do and are always rushed.

It's a painful thing to contemplate for me, because I want all the things in my computer games. But we're always bumping up against limitations of budget, manpower, enthusiasm, ROI for suits, etc.

It's not so much that he tried to have everything. It's that Sawyer was cutting up the cake before it was even baked. That's a recipe for disaster. You get the wizard and spells right before you get the specialist correct. You get your basic fighter correct before you start creating barbarians and monks. He oversold something that didn't exist, and he fell on his face. Not merely that, but he made the general gaming public think that this kind of game was a relic, and not worth reviving. PoE was the standard bearer for the next wave of IE-like games, and it died at birth.

 

[Roguey]

Not merely that, but he made the general gaming public think that this kind of game was a relic, and not worth reviving. PoE was the standard bearer for the next wave of IE-like games, and it died at birth.

PoE and the Pathfinder games did just fine sales-wise.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

both sold like shit compared to superior Swen's games

IE garbage never had a chance, IE fans get out of this site

 

[Beastro]

Will Josh transition before announcing his next game?

"Will"? Nigga already looks like a lesbian librarian

Looking more like a Stephen Colbert impersonator there.

 

[luj1]

both sold like shit compared to superior Swen's games

IE garbage never had a chance, IE fans get out of this site

Swen is also an idiot, just of a different kind.

And do not insult IE games. You are a retard who plays Fallout 76.

 

[Roguey]

And do not insult IE games. You are a retard who plays Fallout 76.

I predict BG3 is going to blow the previous games out of the water sales-wise, and while being turn-based too.

And one can't say "b-but co-op" because the BG games were also co-op.

 

[luj1]

And do not insult IE games. You are a retard who plays Fallout 76.

I predict BG3 is going to blow the previous games out of the water sales-wise, and while being turn-based too.

And one can't say "b-but co-op" because the BG games were also co-op.

I fail to see your point.

Sales bear no implications for the individual gamer. Why would I care about sales?

 

[Roguey]

I fail to see your point.

Sales bear no implications for the individual gamer. Why would I care about sales?

This conversation track was about sales.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

And do not insult IE games. You are a retard who plays Fallout 76.

I predict BG3 is going to blow the previous games out of the water sales-wise, and while being turn-based too.

And one can't say "b-but co-op" because the BG games were also co-op.

It already has and it's not released yet.

 

[Iskramor]

Soyer is not worth commenting on.

 

[Roguey]

It already has and it's not released yet.

Estimates:
1.12 M .. 3.09 M on reviews
~1.08 M by PlayTracker
~1.68 M by VG Insights
~2.52 M by SteamSpy

In the 00s Bioware boasted that the combined sales of both BGs was 5 million so I wouldn't state that definitively yet. At most, it's matched it, though it's an achievement to do so at at full price (I'm sure a lot of those copies of the BGs were moved at a discount).

 

[luj1]

No one gives a shit. Quality of gameplay is the only thing that matters.

 

[Häyhä]

And do not insult IE games. You are a retard who plays Fallout 76.

I predict BG3 is going to blow the previous games out of the water sales-wise, and while being turn-based too.

And one can't say "b-but co-op" because the BG games were also co-op.

Comparing and speculating sales of a title released in 1998-2000 and one to be released in 2023...