Eternity Josh Sawyer reflects on his failures with Pillars of Eternity

[NecroLord]

Josh Soyer reflects on selling his soul and becoming a soy cuck, a mere shadow of the competent game designer he was.

I was with you until the last part of this sentence; Sawyer was at best a competent manager, and Pediment Pentiment is the ultimate expression of his game design.

For me it's the Icewind Dale games and Neverwinter Nights.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

I am pleased that in my absence, so many others took up the torch of Soyer hate.

 

[Chippy]

I've pretty much forgotten about POE, despite being a retard myself at the time and gold-backing it. How naive I was in my younger years.

But one thing I always remember from the half-day I spent playing POE was - the fucking walls of text every time you clicked on something. Sawyer should have been fired just for that.

And don't even think about making comparisons to PST because it isn't even apples and oranges. It would be like comparing dogshit to gold.

 

[Jvegi]

I remember the choke-point combat with no xp or worthwile loot rewards. I remember loading screens and the lack of proper crime system.

I think that is it.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

I remember that every time you left your game you got "greeted" by a very loud, metallic hammer-like WHAM! sound that never got fixed.

 

[0sacred]

Sawyer thinks IE grognards got in the way of him making a proper Sawyer RPG. If this is true, that means the one and only reason why we didn't get a proper throwback to IE games is Sawyer.

Think about that. Think about what you'd think about!

 

[cvv]

we didn't get a proper throwback to IE games

No flame but how would that look like? D&D rules instead of Sawyers weird creation? A Forgotten Realms setting?

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

Well, it's not like PoE's setting isn't anything different from what you see in FR. Also, the rules are like an unnecessarily complicated version of D&D.

 

[0sacred]

we didn't get a proper throwback to IE games

No flame but how would that look like? D&D rules instead of Sawyers weird creation? A Forgotten Realms setting?

what Cat Headed Eagle said. Sawyer set out specifically to e.g. "improve" on D&D's ability scores (i.e. he did not want to do whatever D&D did). Apparently, the powers that be at Obsidian wanted something traditional, something intuitive to IE players, and that's what we could have got. Don't need a license for that.

 

[luj1]

competent game designer he was

citation fucking needed

 

[luj1]

the rules are like an unnecessarily complicated version of D&D

yes and he uses bunch of stuff from 4ED (the worst edition) like 'per encounter' garbage

 

[Chippy]

we didn't get a proper throwback to IE games

No flame but how would that look like? D&D rules instead of Sawyers weird creation? A Forgotten Realms setting?

what Cat Headed Eagle said. Sawyer set out specifically to e.g. "improve" on D&D's ability scores (i.e. he did not want to do whatever D&D did). Apparently, the powers that be at Obsidian wanted something traditional, something intuitive to IE players, and that's what we could have got. Don't need a license for that.

In all honest though that's the manager's fault. They supposed to rein in and direct/focus autistic spastics like the brainiac Sawyers who don't know how to limit their own autism, and...the other (more traditional) kind like Amber Scott. By sidelining them, and letting them make the tea.

 

[0sacred]

Brainiac Sawyer is a myth, guy had what, 35 years to play and analyze RPG systems, especially D&D, and he couldn't come up with a good mechanic if his life depended on it.

 

[Haplo]

Well, he did pretty great with PoE / Deadfire.