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Development Info Josh Sawyer's GDC 2016 talk about attribute tuning in Pillars of Eternity

Discussion in 'News & Content Feedback' started by Infinitron, Apr 7, 2016.

  1. l3loodAngel Proud INTJ Patron Edgy

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    IIR it was enforced by spell levels and amount of spells you get to cast. However, i played some time so I am not completely sure.
     
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  2. Excidium II Self-Ejected

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    But int affects other stuff like how many spells slots you can have, lore and spell inscription failure chance. Granted the last one you can just savescum, I know we all did.
     
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  3. MrE Literate

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    FeelTheRads has got a point. Even in Fallout, where you don't control your party members directly, you get a lot of variety based on what characters you take along (also with respect to how high you set your CHA), which is probably especially visible in combat as there are some really shit fighters available. But I spent most time playing BG as, you guessed it, a mage, so maybe there's something about that craving for influence too.
     
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  4. oldmanpaco Master of Siestas

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    Savescumming is so plebeian. No I BGTweaked that right out of there.

    To be honest I have never dumped a stat to 3. I rarely go below 8 when making a char because roll-playing and all.
     
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  5. Shadenuat Arcane

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    You need high int to learn spells from scrolls, not to cast them.
     
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    Yeah, I don't do it either. It's really easy to get absurd rolls in BG anyway, specially if you don't have percentile strength.
     
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  7. Roguey Codex Staff Sawyerite

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    The companions have no problem learning level 9 spells from scrolls.
     
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  8. Excidium II Self-Ejected

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    Isn't it just some RNG? You don't get locked out of learning, just lowered chance regardless of spell level.

    I think if you int stat is low enough it gets to 0%, but of course no mage will get to that point since you need 9 int to qualify to the class in the first place.
     
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  9. Zorba the Hutt Arcane Weasel

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  10. Shadenuat Arcane

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    I remember using +3 int potion just recently on someone (Aerie? Neera?) to learn spells.
    Oh right I think it's the maximum amount of spells you can actually scribe into spellbook which it affects, otherwise you'll have to delete spells from spellbook.

    Ah, that's why I had to give potions to Neera.
     
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  11. Excidium II Self-Ejected

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    lol gg caster companions that aren't Edwin.
     
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  12. Shadenuat Arcane

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    They can still cast them even with 17 int, just can't scribe them.
     
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  13. Excidium II Self-Ejected

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    Ah I see.
     
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  14. Roguey Codex Staff Sawyerite

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    I guess that gives one a reason to use potions of genius if you mod out the RNG on the spell scribing.
     
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  16. Murk Arcane

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    Savescumming? Just drop difficulty for the scribing then raise it back up.
     
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  17. Excidium II Self-Ejected

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    I'm superstitious about messing with difficulty.
     
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  18. Lhynn Arcane

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    He also left out guns damage out. and crossbows damage out. As if your muscles made bullets and bolts fly faster somehow. Retarded system that utterly failed at everything it set out to do.
     
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  19. Roguey Codex Staff Sawyerite

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    Might increases physical and spiritual strength and your ranged attacks are imbued with your spiritual power. :M
     
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    Every pellet, imbued with the power of your soul~
     
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    He left them out, no doubt about that. But, even if that doesn't make any sense for spells, it might (hehe) be considered relevant in case of guns and crossbows in a way. After you shoot a few times your muscles are going to feel it (especially if you perform an Aimed Shot, which takes more AP due to time to aiming obviously, though PoE doesn't have an equivalent), your aim is going to get gradually worse, let's say per encounter. So perhaps it should affect accuracy rather than damage dealt but there's something about it. Not trying to defend anyone, just applying a real life perspective.
     
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  23. Lhynn Arcane

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    And how do you even do that? the process of imbuing soul power is never explained in the game, and animals dont have anything resembling soul powers, which is also never explained in the game. Can you even imagine the power of a bears spell? lets remember that intelligence isnt important to learn magic, so even plants could conceivably cast spells. lets also remember that might isnt needed to be able to lift a maul for example, so even a kid could use it with no problems.

    Do i need to keep going? because you playing smartass over shit that you know doesnt make sense gets stale sometimes.

    The whole system is a lazy lie by sawyer to keep people from realizing theres no actual attribute system, only a "pick your combat bonuses" screen.
     
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    It could affect recovery time.
     
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  25. Roguey Codex Staff Sawyerite

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    It's an abstraction.
     
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