KickStarter Kingdom Come: Deliverance - Dan Vavra's medieval chad simulator

[Ryzer]

The game is overall fantastic and one of the best modern RPGs made, especially in hardcore mode (and on PC).

That's fabulously optimistic, the game is painfully linear, not counting the (poorly-made) Witcher 3 storytelling style and the plethora of cutscenes. I found it very mediocre to be honest, like Skyrim from which it is inspired upon. Even the RP elements aren't very appealing, it's just some +/-1 bonus, not very game-changing for me and not something that would make me replay it because nothing would truly change.

 

[cvv]

SJWs and shit journos were whining.

Not even all of them. Kotaku or PeeCee Gamer were very positive. And even Polygon was mostly accepting, with some grumbles around the depiction of medieval women not being 21st century enough.

IIRC only Eurogamer shat out a wholly negative review. To this day it's one of the most ridiculous reviews ever written and printed.

 

[cvv]

the game is painfully linear

Oh, you're retarded?

Should've warn us right off, so we don't waste our time with you.

 

[Ryzer]

the game is painfully linear

Oh, you're retarded?

Should've warn us right off, so we don't waste our time with you.

Have we played the same game? Nothing truly change if you pick choice B instead of choice A, you'll get the same consequences. The world around you doesn't care.

 

[fork]

I'm still surprised this game just got away fine after the massive downgrade that was the release compared to the Trailers. They promised large battles, epic campaign and all of that and none of that got released in the final game. The last battle is a huge disappointment with roughly 30 guys max.
It was stronger than a Ubisoft downgrade.

On the other hand, the battles being smaller is pretty much the only downgrade from the original plans. The game is overall fantastic and one of the best modern RPGs made, especially in hardcore mode (and on PC).

On current consoles the game is perfectly fine as well.

 

[The_Mask]

Have we played the same game? nothing truly change if you pick choice B instead of choice A, you'll get the same consequences. The world around you doesn't care.

Just like Henry, your life seems to be completely different from ours, because you don't know how to read.

I'd recommend a trip to your local scribe.

 

[Harthwain]

I found it very mediocre to be honest, like Skyrim from which it is inspired upon. Even the RP elements aren't very appealing, it's just some +/-1 bonus, not very game-changing for me and not something that would make me replay it because nothing would truly change.

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Your "RP elements" are literally the core of the gameplay - they affect how you attack, shoot, steal, lockpick, etc. And they are done in way more competent manner than they are in Skyrim. You must've not played the game at all, if you really think they are "not very game-changing", because the difference in proficiency is staggering.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

someone dared to criticize KCD? czech defense force activated!!!!

 

[Lyric Suite]

This game has the best terrain design i've ever seen. I went to meet Sir Razdig, did the whole cutscene where to my disappointment the game shows the usual modernist bias against medieval Catholicism, with the "phony" priest and the mockery of the concecrated ground etc. Not that i could have expected anything less, especially given what the Vavra self insert says about him (BTW this is the NPC voiced by Brian Blessed, right?), but along with the whole refugee subplot this game is getting a bit less based in my ultra right-wing religious bias. On the plus side, the interior of the Churches is fucking glorious, by i digress.

So anyway, i watched the whole cutscene with Sir Razdig who so far appears to be a genuinely good guy, and went to train with Bernard, unlocked the combat system, then he took me to train archery and that's when the young snotty Lord showed up, whose arrogant ass even managed to piss off Herny something royal (his reaction was a bit out of character considering how mild he has been so far). Of course, since the only thing i've ever shot with the bow so far are those bird nests, he wooped my ass then proceeded to beat me with the sword as well, which managed to piss ME off something royal, which prompted me to reload in order to go train my archery a bit so i can win the match with him and get his fucking bow.

So i reloaded and instead of meeting Bernard i went strolling in the woods looking for shit to shoot at. I walked around for 10 minutes and found only a rabbit which i wasted ten arrows on since he wouldn't stop walking. Even with all my gear off this seems like it may be bit a bit hard to do with zero bow skills. I don't regret trying though as the forest looks amazing. I also love how i got too close to a ledge and managed to break my legs by slipping off and slide my way down onto rocks, exactly like one would in real life.

Sadly, there's no way i can train my bow like this so i have to resign myself to have the young Lord beat me in the range. I can still try to woop his ass with the sword though.

 

[The_Mask]

You can practice as much as you want just shooting at the range. Bows are as much as your own skill, as it is Henry's.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I tried that but i didn't see any increase. I'm gonna go try it again now.

BTW, i managed to kill a rabbit since it finally stopped moving, and when i looted it i found the meat was marked as "stolen". So i googled it and apparently the meat belongs to the lord and what i did was poaching. This is actually really cool.

 

[The_Mask]

What I was trying to say is that there is a rhythm to using a bow, in the way you draw the arrow, pull the string, and then force the string to its maximum power - followed by the narrow window of optimal time to shoot. This is a thing that you need to figure out as a player. And yes, Henry gets no exp for this, but *you* do. You get to understand this flow of actions.
The Bow skill influences Henry fluidity in using a bow, and the zoom.

Poaching conundrum can be solved around Talmberg. No spoilers from me.

 

[Sarathiour]

and i can barely keep up with my own.

I have no idea how can you not keep yourself feed, there is a pot of stew in every inn or at the miller, every enemy got something to eat on him, and poaching some animal is not that hard. Also you could just hum, like buy some ?

 

[Sarathiour]

What I was trying to say is that there is a rhythm to using a bow, in the way you draw the arrow, pull the string, and then force the string to its maximum power - followed by the narrow window of optimal time to shoot. This is a thing that you need to figure out as a player. And yes, Henry gets no exp for this, but *you* do. You get to understand this flow of actions.
The Bow skill influences Henry fluidity in using a bow, and the zoom.

Poaching conundrum can be solved around Talmberg. No spoilers from me.

If I remember right, you actually gain exp if you managed to hit training target.

 

[Lyric Suite]

What I was trying to say is that there is a rhythm to using a bow, in the way you draw the arrow, pull the string, and then force the string to its maximum power - followed by the narrow window of optimal time to shoot. This is a thing that you need to figure out as a player. And yes, Henry gets no exp for this, but *you* do. You get to understand this flow of actions.
The Bow skill influences Henry fluidity in using a bow, and the zoom.

Poaching conundrum can be solved around Talmberg. No spoilers from me.

So i can beat Capon even with zero skill on my bow? I suppose i can sacrifice a save before the match starts to try it.

 

[The_Mask]

I'm actually playing through the game right now, not hardcore mode, just regular, and my bow is just lvl 10, so I might be wrong. I've only went to the range, demanded a contest, and just did my best at beginner level. I'll go back and see if I can beat intermediary now. When I do that, I'll check the exp gain as well.

Maybe you're right.

 

[The_Mask]

So i can beat Capon even with zero skill on my bow? I suppose i can sacrifice a safe before the match starts to try it.

I beat him with like... 5 levels or so. But I wasn't playing hardcore.

 

[Lyric Suite]

and i can barely keep up with my own.

I have no idea how can you not keep yourself feed, there is a pot of stew in every inn or at the miller, every enemy got something to eat on him, and poaching some animal is not that hard. Also you could just hum, like buy some ?

It was a joke, but also don't forget i took ALL the negative perks at the start so Henry gets more hungry than normal. It's a bit better now that i got ascetic. Every morning i go buy some bread, i fill myself up and i don't get hungry until the evening.

 

[Lyric Suite]

So i can beat Capon even with zero skill on my bow? I suppose i can sacrifice a safe before the match starts to try it.

I beat him with like... 5 levels or so. But I wasn't playing hardcore.

Well, i'm at level zero plus i'm hardcore plus i got the shakes negative perk thingy.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I'm actually playing through the game right now, not hardcore mode, just regular, and my bow is just lvl 10

How did you manage to get that high? I have no idea how to train it. I can't shoot animals since its either poaching or if its farm animals people get pissed, and nothing else i found seems to give xp besides living targets.

 

[pickmeister]

I'm still surprised this game just got away fine after the massive downgrade that was the release compared to the Trailers. They promised large battles, epic campaign and all of that and none of that got released in the final game. The last battle is a huge disappointment with roughly 30 guys max.
It was stronger than a Ubisoft downgrade.

Except when a Ubisoft game comes out it's indeed a disappointment and usually a flop, critical and commercial, with the sole exception of AssCreeds.

When KCD came out it was a revelation. Critics were almost universaly positive (except for the bugs), gamorz were enthusiastic and it sold a million copies within the first few days.

I'm looking at the Kickstarter page now and there's nothing about "epic campaign". But they do talk about "enormous open-field battles" and that's definitely overselling the few larger-scale battles in KCD. That said, talking about "massive downgrade" is an overstatement too.

Also there's a difference between a small indie studio trying to do their best and realizing, during a 5 year long development, some of their promises were unrealistic and a giant corporation brazenly bullshitting everyone tu drum up astroturf hype around their AAA, BSB shallowware.

Nah ,sounds like you're shilling the developer, even crowbcat made a video about it:

Furthermore, critics were lukewarm, they expected much more from what was promised but alas.

Perfect video. Exactly my experience with the game.

And yeah, Warhorse, Vavra, and KCD have a surprising amount of shills here.

I find it idiotic to whine that a game released in 2018 looks different than prototype made in 2013, personally.

This. That's the main reason studios usually keep their games under wraps until they go Gold - pre-production prototypes are always very different from whatever people actually get to play.

Problem is KCD was a Kickstarter project so from the very start people could see into Warhorse's kitchen and now they whine the game went through changes during the development. Well duh.

I'm not a developer but I'd bet my left nut there has never been a game that look the same on the pre-production paper and as the final product.

Stop lying. The Kickstarter campaign was to show their big investor (Bakala) that people are interested in the game. Finances from Kickstarter haven't covered even half of the development costs. Defending KCD by calling it a "Kickstarter project" is a weak shilling attempt.
The fact is they hooked people by overpromising and delivering less.

 

[Ryzer]

I'm actually playing through the game right now, not hardcore mode, just regular, and my bow is just lvl 10

How did you manage to get that high? I have no idea how to train it. I can't shoot animals since its either poaching or if its farm animals people get pissed, and nothing else i found seems to give xp besides living targets.

Like most people, use the bow when there are many enemies to avoid fighting them in melee. It's just like they have that horrible habit of getting behind you and stunlocking you to death.

 

[The_Mask]

How did you manage to get that high? I have no idea how to train it. I can't shoot animals since its either poaching or if its farm animals people get pissed, and nothing else i found seems to give xp besides living targets.

I had an easier time hitting targets. And I also started every fight I could see coming with a shot arrow, then switch to melee.

It's a *very* hard skill to level up.

 

[Lyric Suite]

BTW, the interesting sites and bird nests are a knewl idea. Kinda silly that i found a necklace worth 185 gold in a nest but it makes strolling in the woods feel less aimless since at least every now and then you find this kind of stuff.

 

[Modron]

You never know you might find things nobody else has like when I discovered a second place to find horse armor in the base game that wasn't the easter egg slide down a cliff to a griffon's nest witcha meme.