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KickStarter Kingdom Come: Deliverance - Dan Vavra's medieval chad simulator

Wilian

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You need to prepare your character for stealth. Not just by training your skills, but also wearing the appropriate clothes to reduce visibility and lower noise.

BTW, here's a little tip for you: next time use a bow on naked bandits. Since they have no armor and weapons, you can easily stun lock them with little danger to you. Good way to train bows early on. Can also be used on the scrub bandits you find early on if the groups are small enough. Anything that doesn't have a lot of armor basically can be stun locked by arrows. Main reason arrows are totally broken later in the game since with high enough power you can punch through armor and do the same trick even with late game enemies.

Mutt can also help with this.

All the screeching about how difficult the combat system is in this game seem to ignore the fact you really don't actually have to fight anything if you don't want. You can play the game as an assassing, killing people in stealth, behind their backs or in their sleep.
Killing with bow will not work with a controller, at least not with "drunk" Henry. It was hard enough to hit anything in Starfield with a controller and there you are not drunk when trying to aim anything

The fuck are you playing a PC game with a controller for.
PC user knows there are optimal control schemes and types of control for any given time and picks the best for the moment from vast range of options, be it mouse&keyboard, controller, flightstick, wheel or any other equipment one might have hands on.

It's the console mutts and MKB tribalists living in era of uncultured single scheme controls.
 

jaekl

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I found out last night that citizens respawn so it's best to roam through a house and murder everyone in their sleep, then rob them which keeps them from waking up and interrupting you. I was worried that I was going to be cursed with eternal filthiness when I got myself into a massacre at the bath house next door to the miller after the proprietor gave me lip and tried to charge me 200g to speak to her. Hopefully the new proprietor will have more sense.
 

cvv

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is.
I found out last night that citizens respawn so it's best to roam through a house and murder everyone in their sleep, then rob them which keeps them from waking up and interrupting you.
If your Stealth is high enough to murder people in their sleep without waking up everyone else it's high enough to rob them without them hearing you.

Also I think if you start murdering people willy-nilly, the town will collectively notice and reacts to you differently (as a stranger) even if you are never caught.

Either way you're not penalized too much but I was always hesitant just massacring people, somehow it didn't jive with Henry's natural character. I normally don't give a fuck about role-play elements but this game is built different.
 

Val Doom

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As long as you remember to drop a few groschen into the tithe box of your local church every once in a while, you're good. Absolution will come to thee no matter how many peasants you murder in the roads.
 

jaekl

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I found out last night that citizens respawn so it's best to roam through a house and murder everyone in their sleep, then rob them which keeps them from waking up and interrupting you.
If your Stealth is high enough to murder people in their sleep without waking up everyone else it's high enough to rob them without them hearing you.

Also I think if you start murdering people willy-nilly, the town will collectively notice and reacts to you differently (as a stranger) even if you are never caught.
No, they sometimes wake up from pickpocketing instantly as soon as you start even at 19 pickpocket and 12 stealth in all black clothes. I have no idea what causes this. It has caused several massacres now. The only big rep hit I noticed was when I killed a family of bakers and someone found a corpse and grabbed the guard. A guard showed up and started looking around and I snuck up and slit his throat. The bounty went away but my rep with the citizens went to -80(!!). This was fixed by going into town, murdering a beggar and going to jail for 10 days, after which my rep went back up to 17.
 

cvv

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is.
No, they sometimes wake up from pickpocketing instantly as soon as you start even at 19 pickpocket and 12 stealth in all black clothes. I have no idea what causes this.
Hm, don't remember anything like that. IIRC at maxed out pickpocketing you should be able to comfortably rob anyone, even not sleeping.

Also remind me, aren't there different inventories for dead/live NPCs? (meaning if you kill someone they suddenly magically don't have some crucial items on them anymore; might be mixing it up with some other game tho)
 

ArchAngel

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I found out last night that citizens respawn so it's best to roam through a house and murder everyone in their sleep, then rob them which keeps them from waking up and interrupting you.
If your Stealth is high enough to murder people in their sleep without waking up everyone else it's high enough to rob them without them hearing you.

Also I think if you start murdering people willy-nilly, the town will collectively notice and reacts to you differently (as a stranger) even if you are never caught.
No, they sometimes wake up from pickpocketing instantly as soon as you start even at 19 pickpocket and 12 stealth in all black clothes. I have no idea what causes this. It has caused several massacres now. The only big rep hit I noticed was when I killed a family of bakers and someone found a corpse and grabbed the guard. A guard showed up and started looking around and I snuck up and slit his throat. The bounty went away but my rep with the citizens went to -80(!!). This was fixed by going into town, murdering a beggar and going to jail for 10 days, after which my rep went back up to 17.
So only thing more eurojank in this game than combat AI is the whole crime system.. and to think I used to complain about BG1 and 2 where everyone just turned hostile almost forever if you went full bad guy. I would take that system over this shit..
If you did murder and get caught there should be a scene where you are put in a pillory and left there to die and at best you can pay off a guard to release you at night and you need to escape naked and horseless..
 

Lyric Suite

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I don't remember any of them waking up with an high pick pocket skill either. You likely made noise. Having high stealth doesn't mean you get to wear noisy clothes.

With high thieving abilities i was an unseen ghost 100% of the time.
 

jaekl

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I have 100% success rates for pickpocketing in broad daylight in a busy square and can walk around in someone's house, knocking shit over and rifling through their belongings with impunity but about 1 in 10 times a pickpocket attempt on a sleeping target will cause them to catch me immediately. Killing them is safer.
 

Lyric Suite

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I honestly never had that happen to me once i maxed the skill, but upon checking the wiki i found this:

"There is a certain bug that makes it so that sleeping npcs will sometimes automatically detect you. This is theorized having to do with visibility and light sources"

So it's a bug. I guess i just got lucky i didn't experience this, or maybe it was fixed on the PC version but not the console version.

Keep in mind with all the perks you can basically see everything they have on a glance, and usually much of what they have isn't worth stealing after a while so i guess it's possible i never lingered on enough for the bug to trigger.
 

ArchAngel

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I must say Farkle is pretty fun to play. It is simple but fun with a decent dose of risk vs reward.
 

SpaceWizardz

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I must say Farkle is pretty fun to play. It is simple but fun with a decent dose of risk vs reward.
Loaded dice are too prevalent and the Sir Hans DLC give you an absurdly overpowered set that is impossible to lose with.
Every RPG should just have their own Gwent derivative tbh, CDPR created the perfect minigame and everyone else should stop trying.
 

ArchAngel

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I must say Farkle is pretty fun to play. It is simple but fun with a decent dose of risk vs reward.
Loaded dice are too prevalent and the Sir Hans DLC give you an absurdly overpowered set that is impossible to lose with.
Every RPG should just have their own Gwent derivative tbh, CDPR created the perfect minigame and everyone else should stop trying.
Farkle is I think a real game so they just used that. I am not using loaded die to win.
 

ArchAngel

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I must say some of the quests are pretty fun and crazy. I did the investigate the herbwoman quest that Priest of Ushitz gave me and it ended up very very unexpectedly LOL. I surely wasn't expecting I would be lockpicking "hens".
I did kill the two guys at the end, the priest wasn't happy.
 

Lyric Suite

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The priest has an even crazier quest. You may have missed it since it all hinges on a single dialog choice.
 

ArchAngel

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The priest has an even crazier quest. You may have missed it since it all hinges on a single dialog choice.
The main quest where you get drunk, fight and the rest?
Or the one where he asks you to spy on "heretics" to save them from their own stupidity?
 

Lyric Suite

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The drunk one, where you spend the night with him and then you are forced to do a sermon in his behalf while in your under garments.
 

Val Doom

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Well Runt is dead now, got a Headcracker proc right at the start of the fight and all I had to do was mercy kill him.
 

jaekl

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The true beauty of kcd is that the designers allow me to be a troll to the world, but they also allow the world to troll me back.

Last night I was perusing the wares of the local armourer and I figured it would be stupid of me to actually pay for any of it since I'm now a master thief. I was gonna rob the store real quick and then go to bed.

After casing the joint for a side entrance, I waited until night at the inn, then ran into town and started picking the lock but was caught because if you walk around without a torch, eagle eye guards stop at nothing to fine you robocop style. Fuck, where do I get a torch at this time of night? I searched everywhere at the inn, I robbed a few houses but couldn't find a torch anywhere and it was now morning. FUCK.

I decide to pickpocket a guard for a torch but just as I hit the pickpocket button, he turns around and catches me. FUCK!!

I can't pay the fine or he'll take my expensive armour that's still marked as hot after like a month. So I stab him and run away, he slices me in the back and I fall down a cliff, injuring my ankles. I circle all the way around to the miller and sleep, then stash my armour, find a torch in a cupboard (score!!) and head over to pay my fine for pickpocketing. Only, that guard fell to his death when he tried chasing me down the hill so I find out that I'm wanted for murder. 10 days in jail. FUCK!!!

Okay, jail sentence complete. Starving and tired now, don't want to rob the store when my stats are messed up anyways. Kill a bunch of chickens next door and rest at the miller's house until I'm in good shape. What time is it? midnight?! God damn it, this was only supposed to take an hour. Oh well, can't stop now.

Walk up to the side door with my torch out, start picking and the door opens, a guard walks out and turns around and goes back in. Fuck, a patrolling guard in this game is gonna be a nightmare. Luckily, I manage to hide in a corner and snuff him out when he walks by. I make it to the storefront but there's nothing there, no weapons out, no chests. Come on! I look everywhere and there's no loot, though there is a door upstairs that has a lock that's too difficult to pick. FUCK!!!!

In another room, i find the store guard sleeping on a bench next to another guard. Here goes nothing, I stab both of them and take their keys. One of them opens the locked door. YES! The room is full of treasure chests. Finally. All the horseshit that I just went through has finally paid off! I'm rich beyond my wildest dreams!! Oops, lock is too difficult? I'll try the next one... Nope too difficult... surely one of these will open to a key or something at least right? RIGHT?!

Wrong. Defeated, I gingerly step around the bodies of the men I killed and creep out the back door, torch in hand. I got a little loot from the dead at least. As I'm walking to the gate, I hear "Stop right there, I have to search you!" FUUUUCK!!!

With a grim determination, I run out the front gate and jump down the hill, re-injuring henry's poor ankles. Time to leave this bullshit town, I'm DONE with it.
 

Child of Malkav

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If you can pick pocket the owners you can get the keys to all the doors and trunks. If you can. But the game is bugged to shit and back. Visibility 0, noise 0 in the woods but if it's daytime you hear "oy!".... daytime cancels your stats. RPG my ass. Well, sometimes, not always. Very impressed with the dialogue options you have, including lying. Reloaded an encounter with that chick behind the mill telling you about Timmy and being ambushed by 4 guys and wanted to see all those options and they do different things. Very cool, impressive. And yeah the combat system can go suck a dick. Forgot how bad it actually is. Whatever just rushing the main story to get it done with.
 

Yosharian

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I'm surprised to see so many people (rightfully) shitting on the combat, I thought most people liked it. I can't fucking stand it, especially how clumsy it is with multiple opponents.
 

Fargus

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I can't fucking stand it, especially how clumsy it is with multiple opponents.

What do you people dislike so much about fighting multiple opponents? All you have to do is master striking and being mobile. My most memorable fights were with multiple opponents, especially before i got too gud.

 

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