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Kingdom Come: Deliverance II Thread

Larianshill

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A fraction of players did not learn how to choke a guard
The game never provides a tutorial on how to do that, unless you've played the miller storyline. It can remind you every single time that you don't need to press buttons on the maximum horse speed, but the choking tutorial was too much.
 

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Started playing yesterday and I'm enjoying it, the opening sequence dragged a bit as it's very recap heavy and I'd just come off a KCD1 playthrough but once everything opens up it gets back on track pretty quickly. I'm ignoring the main quest and most of the side quests so far are just fun little diversions, which seems appropriate for the first map of the game. Melee weapon combat feels more forgiving than the first game, unarmed seems about the same and I haven't had enough of a chance to play about with ranged to fully comment on it beyond crossbows being fun.

In terms of criticisms I'm a bit disappointed with some of the changes to Speech. I thought the set up the first game had with speech/charisma/intimidation was simple but worked fine and the new system with the derived stats seems a bit like reinventing the wheel. Also most the new Speech perks seem haggling related, which isn't necessary as it's easy to break the economy in this game without any boosts. I also have a few minor nitpicks, mainly the voice acting from some of the non story critical NPCs (this one is the most egregious but a few others are also distractingly bad) and amount of non-interactable 'hired hand' and similar characters walking around. The latter is a matter of taste I suppose since arguably it's a bit of a waste to have a bunch of villagers with the same 4 lines about the villages they're in, but it makes things feel a little dead to me. This might be better once you're off the first map though.

Also, this is probably not relevant to most people but the game doesn't seem to be as accommodating of a low-kill playthrough as KCD1 was as I've racked up 3 seemingly mandatory kills in <10 hours (possibly avoidable through shenanigans although I couldn't see a way around them at the time). That said, it's still easy to play a mostly peaceful Henry with stacks of cash through Alchemy since you can't walk 5 feet without tripping into a massive herb garden. I've found 0 need to kill or loot anyone for money or valuables so far, although if the kill count keeps racking up to the extent that RPing a diplomatic character becomes laughable I'm definitely going to go massacre those Cumans who are clearly too dumb to live if they don't understand why going to a tavern in full kit near areas where your fellows having been raping and pillaging is a bad idea.
 

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You fight germans, praguers, czechs and even frenchmen, but never cumans. Vavra really bent the knee.
Afaik there is at least one enemy Cuman camp on the Trosky map, the "friendly" Cumans even point you to it.

But saying Vavra bent a knee is a stretch in this particular case. Don't forget both the Trosky and the Kuttenberg region are pro-Sigismund, Cumans have no reason to wreak havoc over there or even be there in the first place. Their job is to stomp on Wenceslas allies, not on von Bergow or the Kuttenbergers.
Why are modern devs so fucking retarded that they literally MAKE you sympathize with the supposed "bad guys"?
From what I've seen, Sigismund, von Bergow and Markvart von Aulitz are WAY better characters than the idiotic buffoons who Vavra says are the "good guys"...
They have drive and conviction as opposed to the "good guys".
A drunken whoremongering priest, a pompous brigand (whom the czechs consider a national hero, you know who I am referring to), a bisexual immature brat, a sassy girlboss thot...

So why the fuck can't you join Sigismund and put those bitches in their place?
That would be too based, that's why...
 

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Are you shitting me, the ENTIRE area of the Sedletz monastery aside from graveyard is empty and inaccessible?!

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Are you shitting me, the ENTIRE area of the Sedletz monastery aside from graveyard is empty and inaccessible?!

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There is a DLC coming out that's related to the monastery so perhaps they're blocking access until that? Annoying to have it sitting there inaccessible though
 

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There is no preaching of "sheepish tolerance". You can kill these Cumans and even if you befriend this particular group you can slaughter another group of Cumans the "friendly" ones warn you about. You are also showing that you haven't really understood the plot. Cumans aren't "invaders". They are mercenaries brought by Sigismund to support an already existing rebellion of Czech nobles against his brother Wenceslaus. They are invaders in same sense that Hessian mercenaries hired by the British were invaders in the American Revolution.

Also, Cumans originally settled in Hungary in 13th century fleeing from Mongolian conquest. I suppose 13th century Hungary was also woke considering it "sheepishly" allowed such numbers of refugees to settle there.
The Cumans were already assimilated by the Hungarians in the XV century. The Cuman band raiding and pillaging in Bohemia is ahistoric, showing kind Cumans in the sequel after them being the villains of the first game certainly feels like wokeness/political correctness. Asians don't care about being portrayed as an evil horde.
 

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Much earlier in the thread, we've had a discussion about how Kingdom Come is a czech nationalist version of the Sigismund-Wenceslas conflict, with germans serving as villains. Now, I don't know whether this is revisionist history, but KCD being a nationalist propaganda piece is immediately evident upon looking at this

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NecroLord

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Finished the game. Here are my thoughts.

1) I was the first one on Codex to (correctly) predict that when Vavra talks about diversity, it means niggers. I was also the first one to bring news of Musa here. I've talked about Musa enough for everyone to know my opinion on this character and his inclusion. However, now that I've finished the game, I can say with 100% certainty that this character was completely unnecessary outside of scoring points with the journos and Blackrock. He was forced down your throat, but he was a bit character with minimal relevance to the story, and the game would be better off without him.
2) Musa's more plot-relevant comrade at arms is Sam, your jewish half-brother.

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I didn't like this character. He was a punk with a chip on his shoulder - but just like with Musa, Henry loved this guy, for some reason. I've left him to die and skipped all the dialogue about Henry grieving about his death. I've felt nothing for him, except maybe annoyance.

3) Katherine, despite being on the cover, is barely even in the fucking game. I liked her (despite romancing Rosa instead of her), she was inoffensive, and I'd really prefer her to have the Kuttenberg story for herself, that Sam takes over instead. I'd gladly take a mary sue Black Widow doing flips with a crossbow over Sam. I'd say that both Rosa and Katherine are inferior to Theresa, but Theresa has the benefit of A Woman's Lot. Actually, Hans might be the best romance, because from the beginning to the end there's a lot of him, and he has a direct connection to the main story.

4) Another subject I was pretty vocal about is Istvan Toth. Now that we can look at KCD with the benefit of hindsight, this villain had no business surviving the first game. In KCD2, he felt tacked on. Like he's a part of the plot because he's on the bucket list and needs to be crossed out. With lord Otto, the frenchman, Markvart, Sigismund, Erik, the Chamberlain, the villains of the main plot are CROWDED. Istvan did not need to be a part of this crowd. The first game would be far better off with him dying at the end in a climactic ending, and the second would be far better off with the Chamberlain taking over the role of the Arc 1 final boss.

5) When the devs said "Newbies will be able to pick up the game without playing the first one, and they'll miss nothing, it'll do a fine job of recapping and explaining everything", they were remorseless fucking liars. I've played a little minigame - every time a name or an event from the first game comes up, I pretend to be a newbie without any context to anything, and try not to get confused.

6) The frenchman's heel turn comes out of nowhere, and makes me feel nothing. I guess I've killed him, but I didn't have any real animosity towards him like I've felt for Toth or Chamberlain.

7) The gay thing never bothered me, and it still doesn't.

8) The game is certainly a lot woker than KCD1, but whatever, we take what we can get in these dark times. At least it's not Avowed.

9) Fuck niggers.
So what's with Katherine?
Can you actually get it on with her and does she cuck you with Musa (or was that just a 4chan troll)?
 

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I'd also say that the screenplay is Walter Scott-tier, when it works well.
This is probably the best description of it. Everything about the plot and direction suggests it was made by someone who grew up learning about the period from romantic depictions of it and now had an opportunity to recreate it.

That doesn't make the rest fairly historical as far as I can tell, the costumes, architecture, geography and historical background seem pretty grounded.
 

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So what's with Katherine?
Can you actually get it on with her and does she cuck you with Musa (or was that just a 4chan troll)?
I have no idea. Katherine is barely in the game, and I've never really found out much about her beyond some incredibly broad strokes of her life story.
While I didn't romance her, the supposed "Musa cuckolding" leak says that she breaks up with you if you accuse him of murder and get him killed, which is not actually something that you can do in the game, so we can safely discard the whole thing.
Katherine does hang around in suspicious proximity to Musa in the final few quests, when they're running an infirmary, and now the 4chan narrative switched from "Katherine cucks you with Musa" to "Katherine sleeps with Musa, if you don't romance her". I've not seen any evidence of that either, but maybe it's possible. Very unlikely, though.
 

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what's with /v/ retards obsessing over nigger cocks
and what's with reactionary retards here taking everything they come up with there as fact, lol, do you people have no brains between your ears or something

katherine's whole story is that she doesn't want to get together with anyone after being raped and having her child killed by someone (i don't remember whether it was cumans or just bandits) so why the fuck would she fuck a nigger
valiant henry can break through her trauma and give her a dicking right before the game ends
 

NecroLord

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what's with /v/ retards obsessing over nigger cocks
and what's with reactionary retards here taking everything they come up with there as fact, lol, do you people have no brains between your ears or something

katherine's whole story is that she doesn't want to get together with anyone after being raped and having her child killed by someone (i don't remember whether it was cumans or just bandits) so why the fuck would she fuck a nigger
valiant henry can break through her trauma and give her a dicking right before the game ends
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herpenis

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what's with /v/ retards obsessing over nigger cocks
and what's with reactionary retards here taking everything they come up with there as fact, lol, do you people have no brains between your ears or something

katherine's whole story is that she doesn't want to get together with anyone after being raped and having her child killed by someone (i don't remember whether it was cumans or just bandits) so why the fuck would she fuck a nigger
valiant henry can break through her trauma and give her a dicking right before the game ends
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go pick up a barbell and get laid loser
 

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Also, this is probably not relevant to most people but the game doesn't seem to be as accommodating of a low-kill playthrough as KCD1 was as I've racked up 3 seemingly mandatory kills in <10 hours (possibly avoidable through shenanigans although I couldn't see a way around them at the time). That said, it's still easy to play a mostly peaceful Henry with stacks of cash through Alchemy since you can't walk 5 feet without tripping into a massive herb garden. I've found 0 need to kill or loot anyone for money or valuables so far, although if the kill count keeps racking up to the extent that RPing a diplomatic character becomes laughable I'm definitely going to go massacre those Cumans who are clearly too dumb to live if they don't understand why going to a tavern in full kit near areas where your fellows having been raping and pillaging is a bad idea.
One thing I like about the game is you can avoid fights through force. There are a lot of perks that make you scarier and make enemies less likely to fight you. Most games that allow a pacifist run have you set up your character as a weakling who talks well, which is absurd (ask any schoolboy if his bullies are interested in "speech checks"). In this games the more Henry is a badass the more often enemies will surrender or run away. I had one bandit camp where I was sneaking up to try to shoot one with a crossbow as a surprise attack, but I missed and hit the tree next to the bandit I was aiming at. He goes, "OH fuck this!" and runs off anyway. Beautiful.

I've also noticed the game does acknowledge using non-lethal force on enemies for quests. One time I approached a poacher group and on a whim I decided to fistfight them all, even though they were armed. The quest dialogue changed and Henry acknowledged he only gave them a beating, rather than killing them, and the quest still passed.

I'm seriously considering a second run of the game at some point and playing a pure brawler Henry, just to see how far it can go.
 

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I will just replay Battle Brothers. Haven't had a run in quite a while.

I'm so fatigued with woke shit and giving money to despicable people that hate my guts. Up to recently I could still enjoy the game if it was good despite this crapola(Wasteland 3 and Baldurs Gate 3 are the two recent ones that come to mind).

Now I'm both pissed off to hell with it, and maybe also a bit bored. Guess I will play less and less often, because you can only replay the few good stuff with a certain frequency.

Funny, I imagined myself playing this a few months ago. Not like there is anything better coming around launch date. I guess I will never play it.
 

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So what's with Katherine?
Can you actually get it on with her and does she cuck you with Musa (or was that just a 4chan troll)?
I have no idea. Katherine is barely in the game, and I've never really found out much about her beyond some incredibly broad strokes of her life story.
While I didn't romance her, the supposed "Musa cuckolding" leak says that she breaks up with you if you accuse him of murder and get him killed, which is not actually something that you can do in the game, so we can safely discard the whole thing.
Katherine does hang around in suspicious proximity to Musa in the final few quests, when they're running an infirmary, and now the 4chan narrative switched from "Katherine cucks you with Musa" to "Katherine sleeps with Musa, if you don't romance her". I've not seen any evidence of that either, but maybe it's possible. Very unlikely, though.
Another mystery. Its very suspicious how little information you can find about her online. And that is considering that there were plenty step by step guides on how to "romance Hans" all over the internet even before the game released.
 

Larianshill

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Like I said, Katherine is barely in the game. Your other love interest, Rosa, is a bit more of a character, but she's also barely in the game compared to Hans.
 

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