KickStarter Knights of the Chalice 2 Thread - Augury of Chaos

Jvegi · Jul 7, 2020

I've insterted my Geforce 630gt in place of the integrated 96mb graphics and the game works smootly now (the whole computer does, what a suprise). I created my party of six (barbarian,druid,cleric,wizard,bard and a samurai).
It didn't crash, I'm in a game.
The dialogue starts. I can't choose my half-giant to move the obstacle, "option not avaible to the party", for some reason. I click something else.
It crashed.

Progress was made.

JarlFrank · Jul 8, 2020

Stinking Cloud. You need to use stinking cloud on the southern gobbos + king.

grimace · Jul 8, 2020

grimace: What is the URL to share with my friends so they can all buy multiple copies of KOTC 2??

grimace
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Gregz · Jul 8, 2020

more feedback for BlueSalamander

Jasede:
We were talking about Knights of the Chalice 2, a combat RPG that recently 'released'.
Jasede:
According to the dev, Pierre, it was complete, but in reality it's balanced as if it had never, ever been tested by anyone. ... not even Pierre.
ga♥:
oh noes both porky and latro in the shoutbox, protect your neurons folks
Strange Fellow:
Pierre heard we like difficult games
Latro:
my presence gives +1 to INT modifier tbh
Jasede:
We need to challenge Pierre to upload a video of him beating the encounte Tweed is stuck at.
Strange Fellow:
I can picture him now all sad, "what do you mean it's broken? I spent so much time tuning it for difficulty"
IDtenT:
Haha
Latro:
oh jasede, forgot to mention, my gladiator's are too stupid to comprehend some of the bards buffs :3
Strange Fellow:
"I thought you wanted a difficult game..."
Jasede:
This Pierre has never fucking tested any of this.
Strange Fellow:
;(
Latro:
they get "language: incomprehensible" or something
Latro:
thought that was amusing
Jasede:
OR he has been working on this for so long that he knows it like the back of his hand,
IDtenT:
But isn't that how P&P is? A DM screwing you over in his bad mood?
IDtenT:
I say BASED.
Latro:
my bard will be too busy spamming silence AOE and sound burst tho
ga♥:
porky has an aura that gives -5 int and -15 cha
Jasede:
It's not gonna be enough, Latro... not gonna be enough...
Jasede:
Get to the Iron Golem encounter first...
Gregz:
IDtenT: But isn't that how P&P is? A DM screwing you over in his bad mood? <- nope
Gregz:
that’s how you stop being a DM
IDtenT:
B A S E D
IDtenT:
A
IDtenT:
S
IDtenT:
E
Gregz:
quickly
IDtenT:
D
Latro:
what if
Latro:
we just shrunk ourselves
Latro:
and we'll be too tiny to be hit by spells
Latro:
manlets, rise up!
Jasede:
I mean I wanna try the encounter, too, see if it's as hopeless as Tweed and Mortmal say.
Jasede:
(Probably is)
ga♥:
what about spellets
Latro:
well tweed is running all kobold squad
Jasede:
But I can't even get past the CR 18 iron golem with 6 greater gelatinous cubes and 6 slimes
Jasede:
My party is level 7
Jasede:
Why are we fighting a CR 18 golem
Latro:
kobolds are just naturally weak tbh
Latro:
because it's awesome
Jasede:
That is immune to every weapon you have found until that point
Jasede:
Except for a SINGLE adamtium... dagger
IDtenT:
LOL
Latro:
uh oh
Strange Fellow:
I genuinely can picture pierre crestfallen and completely unable to process how we said we wanted a difficult game, but when we get one it's wrong
Latro:
i sold that dagger
Jasede:
He has 170 HP, and every weapon does 1 damage. Except that dagger.
Jasede:
The dagger does 1d4+STR
Jasede:
You can at least craft an adamtite weapon
Latro:
should I uh, restart an earlier save
Jasede:
But that costs precious gold
Jasede:
You can craft a real weapon don't restart
Jasede:
It's just stupid tho, from a design standpoint.
Jasede:
Even a combat game shouldn't be encounter after encounter with no break or downtime.
Jasede:
Every time we climb a hill in KOTC 2...
Jasede:
There's a fucking MOUNT EVEREST right after
IDtenT:
A game that encourages restarting isn't a bad game.
Jasede:
and when you climb mount everest you see that actually you need to climb to the moon
Jasede:
and then when you are on the moon Pierre says, hope you liked the easy part
Latro:
it's a good game
Jasede:
and points to alpha centauri
Latro:
a D&D game that you can crow about beating
Latro:
mere children will beat nwn2
Latro:
sages will defeat kotc2 1.0
Jasede:
I mean I am liking it so far it's just
Jasede:
I am demoralized because so far Mortmal and Tweed beat everything
Jasede:
This is the first time they both quit (for now)
Jasede:
They beat the goddamn iron golem and the goddamn hydra and the goddamn giant croc
Jasede:
JarlFrank doesn';t counter, he cheated his stats. Fag
Jasede:
count*
Tweed:
there doesnt seem to be any enchantment that could really protect
Strange Fellow:
doesn't seem to be helping very much
Tweed:
You could block or resist one element type and still be decimated by all the other shit they hit you with
Jasede:
I wish you had a video of that encounter
Jasede:
and there's no way around it...?
Jasede:
I just don't know what to do.
Jasede:
You gotta keep trying, after you sleep...
Jasede:
Maybe you'll have some idea.
Jasede:
I mean, I sitll have Holy Word scroll
Gregz:
are you guys giving Pierre this feedback so he can tune the difficulty curve?
Jasede:
That's 1 turn daze in a huge AoE
Jasede:
What if you just use 3 of those
Jasede:
1 every turn
Gregz:
or just bitching in here
Jasede:
Fuck you Gregz
Gregz:
I’m serious
Gregz:
do you want a better game?
Tweed:
There's no work around, maybe in a year of reloads you could hit the perfect RNG and exploit the AI
IDtenT:
THIS RPG KODEX GREGZ. THIS IS WHERE WE BITCH.
Gregz:
it’s in your hands to make it happen
Tweed:
Way I see it you have to stop them from casting and then you have to clear the field before they summon that demon
Jasede:
But if you get iniative, and use Holy Word, it stuns everyone in a big AoE with no save
Jasede:
How is that not enough?
Tweed:
People on the cliff
Jasede:
ah ffs
zwanzig_zwoelf:
i've heard that kotc2 got renamed
Tweed:
besides thats based on hitdice
Jasede:
This game feels like low-level speedrunning
Tweed:
lot of big tanky bastards in there too
zwanzig_zwoelf:
to kotc2: buttrape parade
Gregz:
Tweed: There's no work around, maybe in a year of reloads you could hit the perfect RNG and exploit the AI <- sounds like an encounter that desperately needs to be tuned
Jasede:
Rape would be a nice, pleasant experience after KOTC 2
IDtenT:
Zwanig_zwoelf, where is zwanig_zwanig?
Jasede:
Gregz I dunno if it's your avatar or your wording
Gregz:
developers aren’t sacred Gods, they need feedback
Tweed:
If you throw a wall of stone in front of the cliff it stops the guys on the cliff, but you still have everyone else to deal with
Jasede:
But none of what you say seems sincere
zwanzig_zwoelf:
zwanzig_zwanzig died from covid
Gregz:
I’m 100% sincere
Jasede:
I don't believe you.
Gregz:
I want KoTC to succeed
Tweed:
no single AoE can do enough damaage to kill them
Jasede:
You know Pierre bans everyone who criticizes anything
Tweed:
It's like you need a party twice as leveled using metamagic
Strange Fellow:
not much can be done while he's being sucked off in Thailand
Jasede:
Horrid Wilting? Meteor Strike?
Tweed:
tried them
Gregz:
I love KoTC, even wrote a review for it on our top 70
Tweed:
you can kill some, but not all
Strange Fellow:
when he comes back we can ask him to redesign the entire game kthxbai
Jasede:
3 casters with 3 high level DPS scrolls is NOT enough???
Tweed:
nope and that's 4 casters
Jasede:
oh for fuck's sake
Gregz:
Jasede: You know Pierre bans everyone who criticizes anything <- no, in fact he openly requested feedback in the thread
Jasede:
And you can't move away or something?
grimace:
What is the URL to share with my friends so they can all buy multiple copies of KOTC 2??
Jasede:
Well, look, I am quite cynical about this game, Gregz. It might be the best combat experience since, well, KOTC, but the game is so buggy you wouldn't know where to begin with bug reporting, and the balance is...
Jasede:
The balance is like it's meant for someone locked in a time machine who played RPGs for 100 years.
Gregz:
you’re playing an alpha
Jasede:
It wasn't marketed as an alpha.
Jasede:
It was supposed to be finished.
Gregz:
but I think it’s obvious by now that there’s a great game under there
Tweed:
1 cleric, 2 sorcerers, and 1 wizard
grimace:
Games are never finished, only abandoned with the budget dries up.
Tweed:
oh and 1 psion
Gregz:
help Pierre help us
Gregz:
seriously
Tweed:
You can't move far enough away
Jasede:
Where do you even start man
Jasede:
Every encounter is fucked
Tweed:
they can run up and hit you with cone of cold
Jasede:
We're having fun in a masochistic way
Tweed:
kobolds can move faster and they still can't get away
Jasede:
But it's not playable for 99.9999999998% of people
Jasede:
Okay, what if you had a Cleric with Celerity
Jasede:
And you opened with Haste
Jasede:
And THEN moved away
Gregz:
I’m not Pierre Jasede, and I’m not your secretary
Strange Fellow:
and we're not his beta testers
Jasede:
Like you can't just give feedback because EVERY fight is completely fucked.
rusty_shackleford:
lmao playing a pog game
Strange Fellow:
Well we are, but you know
grimace:
grimace grimace: What is the URL to share with my friends so they can all buy multiple copies of KOTC 2??
Latro
Can't act (surprised)
Jasede:
"Hey Pierre, did you maybe add 15 to everyone's initiative by mistake?"
Gregz:
yes, you are now, you can beta test and have fun at the same time
Tweed:
don't have access to celerity
Strange Fellow:
please don't introduce new internet slang
Jasede:
'fun'
Strange Fellow:
I've had enough
Jasede:
Fun he says
Jasede:
Well okay then Haste
Gregz:
I’m sure you agree you’re getting your moneys worth
Jasede:
Celerity is just free action Haste
Jasede:
What if you open with haste
Jasede:
and then move everyone
Jasede:
kobold sorc has Haste
Jasede:
If you don't have Pandaemonium domain you really are missing out BTW
Jasede:
you could use that to disable a large AOE of enemies
Jasede:
and there's no save
Tweed:
you're forgetting one thing, everyone has to win init and run from a room full of enemies
Gregz:
but he’ll never fix what isn’t tuned right if all you guys do is piss in the wind on Shoutbox
Strange Fellow:
some here are masochists, but speaking for myself I absolutely am not getting my moneys worth no
Jasede:
well, you can afford to let 1-2 die, maybe. I dunno... I shouldn't talk I haven't seen the encounter
Tweed:
you really can't afford to let anyone die
Tweed:
and I'm all out of raise dead scrolls anyway from dying before
Jasede:
It's fun in a perverted, wrong way, but Tweed is at the end of the line...
grimace:
grimace grimace: grimace grimace: What is the URL to share with my friends so they can all buy multiple copies of KOTC 2??
Jasede:
well you can reload your crone save
Strange Fellow:
the feedback is literally "every single encounter is harder than it should be and everything makes it crash"
Jasede:
and ask for some ressurection scrolls
Strange Fellow:
that's it
Jasede:
I wouldn't be so mildly upset if Pierre hadn't said he played through it without issue.
Jasede:
I am not believing that in my wildest dreams.

Lots more in the Shoutbox archives here: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/shoutbox-archive-5-2016-09-26.111160/page-2177

Rpguy · Jul 8, 2020

Is it safe to sell "Diamond" ?

Tweed · Jul 8, 2020

Just diamond diamonds? Yeah, that's fine.

Pink Eye · Jul 8, 2020

Rpguy said:
Is it safe to sell "Diamond" ?

Isn't that one required for crafting? I can't remember actually.

Rpguy · Jul 8, 2020

Pink Eye said:
Rpguy said:

Is it safe to sell "Diamond" ?

Click to expand...

Isn't that one required for crafting? I can't remember actually.

Well all diamonds with a type are needed for crafting, but this is just "Diamond" no type

Tweed · Jul 8, 2020

I think all the crafting diamonds say so in their description, besides they're all "x" diamonds.

Tweed · Jul 8, 2020

I started looking at the high sewers in the editor, yeah forget it, this is just the beginning of an endless trail of suffering. Everyone should probably be about level 14-15 for this crap and decked head to toe in phat lewt, not a bunch of shoestring losers living on lucky RNG.

I think the underlying plot of this module is that this party were a bunch of rejects the knights of the chalice wanted to get rid of so they sent them down there.

Jasede · Jul 8, 2020

Oh yeah, try the module editor if you want a really humbling experience... look at the first encounter in the High Sewers... and then the fire room... and that spider room... and... every room...

Dickie · Jul 8, 2020

Has anyone tried changing the character starting level to 20 and seeing what it's like to play through the whole game? If you're fighting CR 6 stuff at level 3 and CR 18 stuff at level 7, he must have some CR 90 stuff by the end of the game. I know you could use the editor, but I'm curious what it'd be like to play through it all.

Dickie · Jul 8, 2020

grimace said:
grimace: What is the URL to share with my friends so they can all buy multiple copies of KOTC 2??

grimace: What is the URL to share with my friends so they can all buy multiple copies of KOTC 2??

grimace: What is the URL to share with my friends so they can all buy multiple copies of KOTC 2??

grimace
waits for a reply.

I don't believe you can buy it anywhere yet. Here's where the Buy link takes you.
http://www.heroicfantasygames.com/FWE/Pages/FWE_Download.htm

He plans to release it on Steam "in a few months," so maybe by the end of the year. I'm hoping he squashes some bugs and rebalances things first, because I think this game might actually be impossible without being able to roll nothing but 20s and the enemies all 1s for some encounters.

Yosharian · Jul 8, 2020

I think it's hilarious that some people are complaining about the difficulty, did I wander into a different forum by accident or did you guys all turn into giant pussies

Rpguy · Jul 8, 2020

VentilatorOfDoom said:
Yeah I'm done with this. I can't even get the game to start with all party members. I always have only 3 or 4 out of 6. Truly a shit tier mess.

Did you restart the game, pick your characters again and try? ( without creating them again, just pick from the menu )

Mortmal · Jul 8, 2020

VentilatorOfDoom said:
Yeah I'm done with this. I can't even get the game to start with all party members. I always have only 3 or 4 out of 6. Truly a shit tier mess.

You need to create them, leave the game, launch it again and then only assemble the party.

Noddy · Jul 8, 2020

Got through to chapter 3. Wiped all but three enemies in first round.
CONE OF COLD. CONE OF COLD. GIANT ICE DEMON UP THE ASS.
Think i'm done for the night.

I've been a level behind after getting out the crypt after spending all my money on one solitary sword.
Turns out vorpal sucks dick. I thought when it said adds to base damage that damage would get multiplied on crit but nope just gets added. Also vorpal damage doesn't go up with the barbed crit increase (but does with bracer of impact crit increase for some reason).
All in all 200k pissed away and i would highly recommend not going vorpal.
I'd go back and change it but i'll be fucked if i'm going through the goblin king fight again.

Still having unironic fun. Game is actually really good behind the SUPRISE gangbangs and crashes.

VentilatorOfDoom said:
How the fuck am I supposed to heal my party? Every time my cleric tries to cast a cure spell the game crashes.

I have to enter combat when i first load the game before i can heal. Go get into any fight, quit to main menu and load. Should work.

Jasede · Jul 8, 2020

I can't sleep so I wanted to write down some thoughts about my current party:

1. Human Paladin -- useless. You get a Paladin companion later, and the only useful thing he does is give +2 to everyone's Reflex save. Which is great, but it doesn't justify the slot.
2. Half-Giant (Cloud) Gladiator with Trip focus - invaluable, trips even large creatures with ease. Excellent.
3. Human Bard -- useful at the start but IMO falls off.
4. Halfling Cleric (Pandaemonium/Celerity) -- thought the healing/spells would be useful. They aren't. You get a Sorcerer early on who can fill in.
5. Human Psion -- extremely good
6. Elf Wizard -- can make Search checks if you start with 20 INT (+2 from Elf bonus) - saves you from having to have a Rogue. Mage spells are great.

I am currently at the Iron Golem / Gelatinous Cube fight (after Hydra but before giant Crocodile) and think I will restart again, making the following party with what I have learned so far:

1. Samurai or Gladiator Half-Salamander Polearm Whirlwind master, for AoE DPS with a good crafted weapon
2. Half-Giant Gladiator - trip
3. Death Knight or STR-based Rogue or another Gladiator/Samurai (Thri-Keen gladiator/rogue/psychic warrior?)
4. Human or Halfling Bishop - takes care of the useful domain powers
5. Human Psion
6. Elf Wizard

Dickie · Jul 8, 2020

Jasede said:
4. Human Bishop - takes care of the useful domain powers, small size checks

How does a human bishop do small size checks? Did you mean halfling or is there something special about bishops?

Dickie · Jul 8, 2020

Jasede said:
5. Human Psion
6. Elf Wizard

These were the first two characters I've made, and they've been in every party. I went with a Blue Wizard (+1 enchantment, -1 evocation) with the Improved Sleep feat that makes Sleep and Deep Slumber longer range, standard action, and not affect allies. Which kind do you think is best? I'm thinking about trying white (+1 conjuration, -1 necromancy) for slightly better Grease, Web, Glitterdust, Stinking Cloud, etc. So many enemies are immune to enchantment.

Jasede · Jul 8, 2020

I meant Halfling Bishop, sorry. But possibly Human since the only small size check so far is in that pool and the reward isn't really that huge, though the Star Diamond is nice for crafting.
Bishop actually looks better and better, they get feats to make Turn Undead work on Dragons and Outsiders and Constructs and that's pretty big. My Cleric, after using her two domain powers, doesn't really do anything in a fight; the Bishop can turn undead and has more domain powers to use.

Rpguy · Jul 8, 2020

Jasede said:
I meant Halfling Bishop, sorry. But possibly Human since the only small size check so far is in that pool and the reward isn't really that huge, though the Star Diamond is nice for crafting.
Bishop actually looks better and better, they get feats to make Turn Undead work on Dragons and Outsiders and Constructs and that's pretty big. My Cleric, after using her two domain powers, doesn't really do anything in a fight; the Bishop can turn undead and has more domain powers to use.

Only two? you don't take extra turning feat? ( or more charisma )

Dickie · Jul 8, 2020

Jasede said:
I meant Halfling Bishop, sorry. But possibly Human since the only small size check so far is in that pool and the reward isn't really that huge, though the Star Diamond is nice for crafting.
Bishop actually looks better and better, they get feats to make Turn Undead work on Dragons and Outsiders and Constructs and that's pretty big. My Cleric, after using her two domain powers, doesn't really do anything in a fight; the Bishop can turn undead and has more domain powers to use.

Is Turn Undead even good? I took turning domain and the damage is still too low to matter and the save DC is really low, so it has like a 30-50% chance to do full damage with a charisma of 16.

Rpguy · Jul 8, 2020

Turn undead is bad

Dickie · Jul 8, 2020

Rpguy said:
Turn undead is bad

That's what I was thinking, too. I don't know why the bishop gets feats to use something that does half the damage of fireball, with an easier save, on more enemy types.

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