Vapourware KOTOR 2 Restoration Project (not the Restored Content Mod)

[Lumpy]

Jasede, what the fuck's wrong with you? I don't think anyone's retarded enough to go "zomg, this beta has bugs? Team Gizka must suck. I hate them I'm gonna tell everybody not to download their mod when they release it!!!!".
Besides, this isn't an original creation, it's a fucking restoration project. They hopefully aren't adding their own content, so why the fuck are they acting like some great artists whose work is pissed upon? They should have released it as soon as it was playable, with a "here be bugs" disclaimer, and have the community help them with bug-fixing. They certainly shouldn't fucking keep the mod until it's perfect and stop giving a fuck about the mod at the same time.



That said, what's the deal with this mod? I never found myself wanting moar while playing KotoR 2 - 4 planets were just enough for me before between another big step in the main plot. So does it add more options and shit, or simply more side-quests?

 

[dragonfk]

http://forums.team-gizka.org/viewtopic. ... 83&start=0

 

[spiwak]

Well, while I think it's lame of the dude to release the beta without consent from the makers, at the same time Team Gizka should have known it was going to happen. People seem to be growing more and more impatient with this project, so while they have no right to play it early, it's only understandable that it would eventually leak.

I'll wait till at least I hear whether it's worth playing (other than Darth Windu's comments). And after I finish my current KotOR playthrough.

 

[jaylittle]

I find it amusing that Mr. Jason 'Jay' Little is referring to the leaker in the third person, since the leaked beta initially came from the user darkgamorck, whose email address was jaylittle@....com.

That's funny. The username on TBP is gamorck. My username on the TG forums was darkgamorck. I'm using darkgamorck as my username on the TG forums for no other reason than the fact that somebody else out there on the net was using gamorck.

I have no qualms about admitting that I attempted to obtain this mod prior to this point. I have no qualms admitting that I failed in my attempts. I however did not obtain this mod and I did not leak it. Though I now have it, and I'm very pleased that this is the case. But perhaps you and Darth Windu ought to take the time to gather some evidence before making such accusations. But why stop now right?

You want to ask the leak about the motivations? Ask him.

Ha. I think the motivations are quite clear. You slow pokes couldn't close the deal, so somebody else is making sure that it happens one way or another. The original game was developed in a matter of months (13 to 16) and you winners have been screwing with this thing for years upon years at this point with no end in sight. The fans have been jerked off time and time again and somebody finally steps up to the plate to do what you guys should've done awhile ago.

Frankly if I had obtained this mod first, I would've leaked it. Make no mistake. But I didn't and I haven't. I already have an account on TBP that goes by the name of darkgamorck. You can check that yourself. What likely happened is that the leaker decided to draw intentions away from themselves by attempting to use a similar username to what I, somebody who is publically known to have solicited beta testers for a copy of the mod, typically use.

Although it's hard to be angry. Especially given the fact that we all have finally gotten the opportunity to see just how full of shit TG is or isn't now. I for one am looking forward to it. And given the numbers on the torrent, I'm not the only one.

 

[Lumpy]

http://forums.team-gizka.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2383&start=0

Hm. It's pretty meh. Some cool things but nothing that can greatly improve the game.

 

[ghostdog]

haha Jaylittle just admit it, what is the point of playing it innocent? You were bragging about your heroic attempts to obtain the beta. Or was it a set up from someone who just used your nickname when he leaked the mod? OMG, conspiracy!

Let's have some entertaining Internet drama.

 

[-Pavlos-]

Hm. It's pretty meh. Some cool things but nothing that can greatly improve the game.

No one on the beta team nor anyone on the development team has ever said that TSLRP is the messiah of KotOR II. It makes the game hang together better, that's it. If you didn't like the game in the first place then you won't like it now, as far as I can see. It will forever remain a divisive title because it's the middle of a trilogy with neither beginning nor end, based more around character development than collar-grabbing action.

If you think or thought anything to the contrary then you are or were deluding yourself and living in the land of make-believe with flowers, fairies, and baby smiles.

 

[WanderingThrough2]

For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of the Internet.

 

[Lumpy]

Hm. It's pretty meh. Some cool things but nothing that can greatly improve the game.

No one on the beta team nor anyone on the development team has ever said that TSLRP is the messiah of KotOR II. It makes the game hang together better, that's it. If you didn't like the game in the first place then you won't like it now, as far as I can see. It will forever remain a divisive title because it's the middle of a trilogy with neither beginning nor end, based more around character development than collar-grabbing action.

If you think or thought anything to the contrary then you are or were deluding yourself and living in the land of make-believe with flowers, fairies, and baby smiles.

Oh no, I think KotOR is a pretty damn fine game. I was just hyped up after hearing how much better it was supposed to be with all the cut content, but nothing there seems to be all that awesome.
What the game really lacked was an option to actually fulfill Kreia's plan to destroy the force or whatever she actually wanted.

 

[jaylittle]

haha Jaylittle just admit it, what is the point of playing it innocent? You were bragging about your heroic attempts to obtain the beta. Or was it a set up from someone who just used your nickname when he leaked the mod? OMG, conspiracy!

If I had done it, I would gladly admit to it. But at the end of the day it is irrelevant. The only real question that remains at this point is when is somebody going to post news of this leak to the TG forums. If you want some internet drama, that is a guaranteed way to get it.

 

[OstermanA]

Dude... we've got IP logs. You were even brilliant enough to do it from your registered domain, so we've got name, address & phone number. There really isn't anything we can do with that information, but we've got it. 864 area code?

Edit II: Technically, the second edit was a reversion.

 

[dragonfk]

Darth Windu knows about it and so does Pavlos so I am pretty sure that the rest of the team is already aware of the leakage.

 

[aboyd]

If jaylittle did it that's fine with me. My confidence in TG has faded over the years. If they pack up & quit, that's OK. I suspect it never would have come out anyway, so having it half done is better. And maybe some of the people that TG had been ignoring -- people who were volunteering to do stuff but were blocked -- can now step in.

 

[racofer]

If jaylittle did it that's fine with me. My confidence in TG has faded over the years. If they pack up & quit, that's OK. I suspect it never would have come out anyway, so having it half done is better. And maybe some of the people that TG had been ignoring -- people who were volunteering to do stuff but were blocked -- can now step in.

TSLRP lately was looking more and more like knights of the force mod for jedi academy, a big fat lie.

Unfortunately this is the fate of any project that aims on hype more than actual results, and if TG shuts down after this incident I say they deserved it. At least now with the mod leaked we know for sure that someone will finish it, and probably faster.

 

[jaylittle]

Dude... we've got IP logs. You were even brilliant enough to do it from your registered domain, so we've got name, address & phone number. There really isn't anything we can do with that information, but we've got it. 864 area code?

Edit II: Technically, the second edit was a reversion.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore. All you've proven is that you know how to run a whois query against the domain I use for my email address which is attached to my forum account at TG. Bravo. Anyway - I'm done engaging this particular line of discussion. It is as I said previously, irrelevant.

 

[Gragt]

TSLRP lately was looking more and more like knights of the force mod for jedi academy, a big fat lie.

Did TG ever ask for donations?

I still do not get the angst against them. Yes it's taking time but it's not like they are getting paid for it, they are not slaves or at anyone's service. I could understand the reaction if you donated money to the project (again I do not remember them making any demand of the sort) but likely you did not.

 

[OstermanA]

TG has not and never will ask for money. Offers are politely declined. They're not in this for the money. They're doing it because they enjoy the work, and they get it done when they have time. They aren't including new members because it's more of a close-knit group of friends than a traditional development team. A lot of people don't seem to get that...

 

[Jasede]

See, it's already starting! TG did most of the work, now people say "thanks god they leaked it, TG was doing no work".

 

[Lumpy]

Well, didn't Obsidian do most of the work actually?
Also, the way I see it, if you start a project like this one, that isn't an original work but fixes something about the game, you also take a certain responsibility upon yourself. There isn't any need for two restoration packs, now, is there? Any other talented team who might have done the work instead find something else to do, like going out with girls and having sex with them. So you have a monopoly of the whole "Restoration pack" scene. So you'd better release the goddamn thing as soon as possible, because otherwise you're practically hurting the community, since you're not allowing anyone else to release anything either.

 

[Jaime Lannister]

Well, didn't Obsidian do most of the work actually?

The point is that Gizka put the cut content back in the game. They even added new voice acting on some unvoiced dialog. I wouldn't say, "TG is doing no work" at all.

 

[jaylittle]

Well, didn't Obsidian do most of the work actually?

The point is that Gizka put the cut content back in the game. They even added new voice acting on some unvoiced dialog. I wouldn't say, "TG is doing no work" at all.

TG obviously put a lot of work into this thing. You need only to look at the list of of restorations to realize as much. Overall I would guess they've done just about as well as one could do given the circumstances. Regardless of what happens next, never make the assumption that it was TG's lack of expertise, skill, talent or know how that was in question here. Because it certainly doesn't look that way to me at all.

Oh and if the mod is buggy, it's a fricking beta. Get over it.

 

[WanderingThrough2]

What TG did was steal the hard work Obsidian had done, claim ownership of it, and then withhold it from the fans. The whole thing was a gigantic tease. They knew as soon as the mod was released, their celebrity status ended. They're not creators; they're not writers; they're not coders; hell, they're barely even a QA team. But they were the ones with the stuff, so people worshiped them. But now Jaylittle is the man who stuck it to the exploiters and gave power to the people. He's not Jaylittle. He's Omar Little, man.

If someone winds up proving himself in the game industry off this mod, it'll be him, not them. He gets what a game is about; he's not a prima donna; and he cares about deadlines.

Two people deserve credit for the mod: Chris Avellone and him.

 

[aboyd]

Wow, I... I wouldn't go that far.

I'd assign a lot lot lot of credit to TG. I think you have to be smart and talented to restore content as they did. However, you also have to be interested and motivated, and that didn't seem to be the case anymore.

So credit them with getting this far. If they finish it, credit them with finishing it. If some OTHER group finishes it first, credit them with finishing it.

But what Lumpy said IS true -- the community to do stuff like this is small, and when TG declared themselves the gatekeepers of this project, they effectively cut off other groups that might have done it faster or better. So whoever leaked it is owed thanks for getting it back out into the community so someone else could finish it. Even if nobody finishes it, the leaker is still owed thanks, because I doubt it would have ever seen the light of day otherwise.

 

[jaylittle]

Yeah that's a bit extreme especially considering I didn't leak the damn thing. I've now got Darth Windu making personal threats against me on the TPB comments. It's amazing that he is still unable to admit the thing is real. I guess sowing doubt and making empty threats is all they have left to fall back on now:

Everything is optional content Jay.

As for the mod - the team is extremely angry that anyone would not only either steal the beta/fake the beta, and then release it publically against the teams wishes.

I would say that the mod will be completed, but at the moment I don't know if it will, and yes, it's because of this. It's a free mod, with the team working for years to give evryone the best playing experience, and you just couldn't wait. I'm disgusted with each and every person who has downloaded this. Oh and Jay, we'll be seeing you

 

[Xor]

It kind of sucks that it was leaked, because now I'm worried the team will get pissed and stop working on the mod altogether. Slow progress is better than no progress, and a bug-free release a year from now is better than a buggy release today.