Vapourware KOTOR 2 Restoration Project (not the Restored Content Mod)

[racofer]

For those who have played the leaked beta, anyone get stuck after Handmaiden fights her sisters? I get the cut scene with Kreia and Atris going back and forth (after the light side meeting with the Jedi masters), and at one point it pauses and the PC I guess has to make a dialog choice. I say "I guess" because I don't see any choices, I just figured out that hitting "1" or "2" on the keyboard causes the scene to continue with Atris talking about the Sith bombardment of Telos and Kreia commenting about falling to the dark side.

After that the game switches to Handmaiden walking in and being confronted by her sisters, and then Atris from the meditation chamber commenting on seeing what Handmaiden has learned from the exile. The Handmaiden fight then takes place, but after killing the sisters nothing happens. I've reloaded several times, and one of two things happens - either at the start of the fight the doors to Atris' meditation chamber and back to the rest of the academy close, leaving Handmaiden trapped in the room after the fight with nowhere to go and nothing to do. Or, the doors don't close at the start of the fight and after the fight is over Handmaiden can go back through the academy to the Ebon Hawk but can't actually board it, or Handmaiden can go up into the meditation chamber but Atris isn't there and the door closes behind her and can't be reopened (trapping her in the room).

I assume that even with TSLRP Atris is supposed to confront Handmaiden after the fight with the sisters and then the PC comes in and fights Atris, but nothing is triggering after the fight.

Yes, I also had that problem and followed the instruction on this post here from the codex: LINK

 

[RainSong]

I see there is no progress again...

Where are you Robin Hood?

 

[jaylittle]

I would guess that Darth Windu is done leaking beta builds for now. If he did so again, they would most certainly know that it had to be him. Only an idiot would leak another build in that position.

 

[OccupatedVoid]

I heard the leaker was the Gray Fox.

 

[yes plz]

After that the game switches to Handmaiden walking in and being confronted by her sisters, and then Atris from the meditation chamber commenting on seeing what Handmaiden has learned from the exile. The Handmaiden fight then takes place, but after killing the sisters nothing happens. I've reloaded several times, and one of two things happens - either at the start of the fight the doors to Atris' meditation chamber and back to the rest of the academy close, leaving Handmaiden trapped in the room after the fight with nowhere to go and nothing to do. Or, the doors don't close at the start of the fight and after the fight is over Handmaiden can go back through the academy to the Ebon Hawk but can't actually board it, or Handmaiden can go up into the meditation chamber but Atris isn't there and the door closes behind her and can't be reopened (trapping her in the room).

Do you happen to have any other mods installed? I was having the same exact problem until I uninstalled a mod that messed with the Handmaiden. I uninstalled the game, reinstalled it, and then only installed the TRP mod and was able to get past it. However, the only save that worked afterwards was the autosave I had in-between the Ebon Hawk sequence and the Academy.

 

[Alec McCabe]

It's not like they reverse engineered it, or downloaded a publicly available source archive. They decompiled somebody's commercial code, modified it and then starting passing it off as their own work.

Of course, they haven't started passing it off as their own work at all. They call it a Restoration mod, remember? It's right out in the open what it is they're doing.

Also, perhaps embezzlement is a better term to use when describing a leaked closed beta, rather than theft.

 

[jeetu]

After that the game switches to Handmaiden walking in and being confronted by her sisters, and then Atris from the meditation chamber commenting on seeing what Handmaiden has learned from the exile. The Handmaiden fight then takes place, but after killing the sisters nothing happens. I've reloaded several times, and one of two things happens - either at the start of the fight the doors to Atris' meditation chamber and back to the rest of the academy close, leaving Handmaiden trapped in the room after the fight with nowhere to go and nothing to do. Or, the doors don't close at the start of the fight and after the fight is over Handmaiden can go back through the academy to the Ebon Hawk but can't actually board it, or Handmaiden can go up into the meditation chamber but Atris isn't there and the door closes behind her and can't be reopened (trapping her in the room).

Do you happen to have any other mods installed? I was having the same exact problem until I uninstalled a mod that messed with the Handmaiden. I uninstalled the game, reinstalled it, and then only installed the TRP mod and was able to get past it. However, the only save that worked afterwards was the autosave I had in-between the Ebon Hawk sequence and the Academy.

you should install tg mod first. Thewn install other mods but check that TG files are not overwitten. I tried leaked beta with few safe mods , no issues.

 

[Lumpy]

Also, perhaps embezzlement is a better term to use when describing a leaked closed beta, rather than theft.

Embezzlement is fine. Go ahead and get jaylittle arrested for embezzlement.

 

[SpaceKungFuMan]

Also, perhaps embezzlement is a better term to use when describing a leaked closed beta, rather than theft.

Embezzlement is intentionally depriving another of title to his property, when you are in lawful possession of the property. The term cannot apply to computer code, unless the physical copy is taken from the coder. "theft" would not be correct either, as theft is larceny, which is the trespassory taking of another's property with he intent to permanently deprive them of it. When describing leaking a closed beta, copyright infringement or disclosure or trade secrets/privileged information is the most accurate term.

 

[MetalCraze]

what?
Man, it's a goddamn mod - and in no way TG even has rights to it.
How can you "copyright-infringe" something that is free to begin with and even does not belong to guys who got all butthurt over it?

 

[Korgan]

I can't believe the universe can contain this much unwarranted self-importance. WTF?

 

[aron searle]

what?
Man, it's a goddamn mod - and in no way TG even has rights to it.
How can you "copyright-infringe" something that is free to begin with and even does not belong to guys who got all butthurt over it?

But but but, they have copyright to the voice-over they recorded.

 

[RainSong]

It's not even funny anymore, they have 5 bugs on their radar... 5 BUGS !!! Someone should fucking seat on his fucking ass, finish this project in few hour and release 1.0c1 today.

But noooo, they will continue this circus for two months.

Fucking teasy attention whores.

 

[MetalCraze]

Actually those are the bugs that are on tracker for more than 4 months now and it seems they can't fix them. That bug with Darth Nihilus choice is there as well. But this one is due to "I'm too butthurt to accept the savegame I asked for". Which as you understand is a very major bug.

 

[Alec McCabe]

The fact that any saved games taken from outside the beta team will be from unpredictable sources is a fair rationale for not using them, I would have thought. Without manually poring over the saved game and identifying every variable flipped, there's no telling what environment the saved game was saved under and thus there's no simple way to tell if a bug is actually fixed from using a saved game outside of the control group. It would be more work than it's worth.

Embezzlement is fine. Go ahead and get jaylittle arrested for embezzlement.

And I thought he 'wasn't the leaker'.

 

[MetalCraze]

What environment other than TSLRP, man? They will have to accept savegames with bugs anyway after the release. Besides they asked for it themselves.
But zomg no! Unpredictable sources posting savegames to take my TG down?!

 

[Lumpy]

The fact that any saved games taken from outside the beta team will be from unpredictable sources is a fair rationale for not using them, I would have thought. Without manually poring over the saved game and identifying every variable flipped, there's no telling what environment the saved game was saved under and thus there's no simple way to tell if a bug is actually fixed from using a saved game outside of the control group. It would be more work than it's worth.

Gee, you know, maybe you could ask him? I'd venture a guess that he was using stock KotOR2+the TSLRP beta, but you could always ask what else he was using, couldn't you?

And I thought he 'wasn't the leaker'.

Goddammit, I have to learn to keep my mouth shut.
I don't know who the leaker is, and I don't really give a fuck.

 

[mondblut]

That's like someone stealing the Mona Lisa when da Vinci was still working on it only to tell da Vinci how he should improve it.

Was Mona Lisa physically removed from Da Vinci's inventory?

 

[jaylittle]

Actually those are the bugs that are on tracker for more than 4 months now and it seems they can't fix them. That bug with Darth Nihilus choice is there as well. But this one is due to "I'm too butthurt to accept the savegame I asked for". Which as you understand is a very major bug.

Yeah I would agree that they probably lack the skill to fix some of these bugs. What astounds me is that why don't they just remove the new conversation options in the case of this particular bug and just call it a day.

What is also concerning is the fact that a number of us who have played through the leaked beta have discovered bugs not in mantis. And despite widespread reports of these bugs, they are still not in mantis. Maybe that means a more recent build has fixed them, maybe not. Somehow I doubt it though.

As for me being the leaker, pike off with that crap already. It was unsubstantiated crap when it was first thrown out there as a theory and it's even worse now that it's clear that it cannot be proven. For fuck sakes, I would love to have been the leaker. Obviously there are no consequences for anybody outside the team and this thing has been downloaded so many times now it's insane.

But I'm not the leaker. Being the only one publicly accused puts you in a nice position however when it comes to hearing things. And I've heard a lot. Anybody who can ignore the fact that nearly the entire closed beta team got sliced and diced as a result of this is just fooling themselves. Anybody who is ignoring the fact that the only member of said team, Darth Windu that survived is acting more like a bitch over the leak than anybody else is just fooling themselves too. He has something to hide. He sold out the rest of the Closed Beta Team. He is the original leaker.

From what I've been told, there are logs of conversations that prove this. Perhaps one day if somebody is kind enough to send those along to me, they will find there way here. Or it's just total bullshit and there are no logs. Either way, what difference does it really make at this point?

 

[denizsi]

That's like someone stealing the Mona Lisa when da Vinci was still working on it only to tell da Vinci how he should improve it.

LOL. No limit to stupidity.

 

[jaylittle]

Fuck me. The jag offs over at TG are now claiming that all of the bug reports from the leak cannot be reproduced by the devs or few remaining testers. What a load of shit. Everybody has gotten nailed with the HK-50 encounter bug. Everybody has run into the Kreia-Atris "press 1 to continue at the half black screen" bug. Oh but we must be using the mod in an uncontrolled way. I for one had no other mods installed because I don't generally deal with mods. So there is no conflict.

If TG eventually does release 1.0c1 and it contains some of these bugs; Wow. I can only imagine the level of drama that will occur then.

 

[Helton]

Heads are gonna ROLL, man! Fucking crazy!

OH SHI... SHI... SHI...

OH SHIT!

 

[SpaceKungFuMan]

what?
Man, it's a goddamn mod - and in no way TG even has rights to it.
How can you "copyright-infringe" something that is free to begin with and even does not belong to guys who got all butthurt over it?

Computer code is protected by copyrights most of the time. You don't even need to apply for a copyright to have a valid one, just like you don't need to apply for a copyright to a book to have protection. You technically don't need to apply for a patent either, as long as you have good records of when you came up with the idea. America is a first to conception jurisdiction. Of course, there is no way it is novel to develop a method to restore existing computer code found on the game disc of a computer game, so patent law does not apply.

IP law isn't my area, but copying and distributing computer code is simply not embezzlement or larceny. This is not a tort either, because all property torts require a cognizable harm, and there's no harm here, because team gizka has not suffered any damages (although with how butthurt they are they'd probably claim intentional infliction of emotional distress). The only crime it could possibly be is copyright infringement or stealing trade secrets, but neither of these would have a chance in hell. So in effect, no legally cognizable event has occurred here that I can think of, although an IP guy might argue otherwise.

 

[MetalCraze]

I repeat - how can it be a violation of something if TG de facto breaks the law themselves by decompiling, altering and sharing the code that belongs to LucasArts but acting like something was stolen from them? TSLRP is not something they create. It is just a bunch of altered scripts made by Obsidian and owned by LucasArts.

 

[Ander Vinz]

I see there is no progress again...

Where are you Robin Hood?

His name's Dennis Moore.

Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
He steals from the poor
He gives to the rich
Stupid bitch.