Let's talk about Lacrymas' homebrew fantasy setting where paladins are eunuchs

[Cryomancer]

Sane people: "But...But it's in D&D rules, that anybody who ready to dedicate their live to magical studies could become a wizard, similar to how people become engineer or scientists IRL. Power of wizards would be different ofc, just as qualification of scientists IRL"
Lacrymas: "Reee why then not everybody wizard reee"
Sane people : "Because not everybody attracted to this career, just like not all people would like to spend their life on science IRL!

If studying engineering or science for a year would give you the ability to charm any hottie into blowing your cock or to electrocute the jocks who try to give you a wedgie, I'd imagine these professions would experience a dramatic increase in popularity.

Lacrymas is a fag, but he is not wrong. D&D is retarded to pretend that "anybody" can gain wizard's superpowers and most people just prefer not to because shoveling shit over their turnip fields is so much more fulfilling than casting charm person at your crush. This is plain dumb. And when wizardry talents are only available to a select few gifted individuals, as it should be, this inevitably slides either into a ruthless magocracy or into a place where anyone suspected of having the gift is killed on the spot.

Is half truth. Magic users on D&D needs scrolls. Even in the highest magical setting ever, Netheril : Empire of Magic, there are a lot of rules governing the usage of magic. Even in a city ruled by Karsus, a Chaotic Neutral person, being suspected of stealing magical knowledge aka espionage is punished by death. Killing another magical user means that you will become a slave subject of the Karsus enclave magical experiments.

As a diehard magocracy, killing a Wizard familiar is a more serious crime than killing non human/non magic users. Killing non human magic humans often only gave a small fine. Casting mind affecting spells would result in death. Causing propriety damage while casting a fireball spell means that you will have to pay it in double. They have extremely strong divination magic, so you can't just evade his laws. And flee the city? Good lucky fleeing a floating enclave.

In Netherese, you have a strict hierarchy.

1. The Archwizard who created the floating city and is lv 35+
2. The apprentices of the archwizard which are all epic levels but not strong enough to create his own floating enclaves
3. Accomplished casters which lead the army, help making magic items, set magic factories producing constructs and magic items, enforce the laws dictated by the two above
4. Medium level casters which are often young casters
5. Low level arcane casters/ Priesthood
6. Wizards familiars and wz family members who aren't wizards
7. Non magic humans and non magic elves/gnomes
8. Domestic animals
9. Cattle
10. Shit
11. Criminals scums who are only useful to be test subjects for magical experiemnts
12. Manlets incapable of casting arcane spells

That is the correct hierarchy which a society in a high magical world should be based from.

 

[mondblut]

Sane people: "But...But it's in D&D rules, that anybody who ready to dedicate their live to magical studies could become a wizard, similar to how people become engineer or scientists IRL. Power of wizards would be different ofc, just as qualification of scientists IRL"
Lacrymas: "Reee why then not everybody wizard reee"
Sane people : "Because not everybody attracted to this career, just like not all people would like to spend their life on science IRL!

If studying engineering or science for a year would give you the ability to charm any hottie into blowing your cock or to electrocute the jocks who try to give you a wedgie, I'd imagine these professions would experience a dramatic increase in popularity.

Lacrymas is a fag, but he is not wrong. D&D is retarded to pretend that "anybody" can gain wizard's superpowers and most people just prefer not to because shoveling shit over their turnip fields is so much more fulfilling than casting charm person at your crush. This is plain dumb. And when wizardry talents are only available to a select few gifted individuals, as it should be, this inevitably slides either into a ruthless magocracy or into a place where anyone suspected of having the gift is killed on the spot.

Is half truth. Magic users on D&D needs scrolls. Even in the highest magical setting ever, Netheril : Empire of Magic, there are a lot of rules governing the usage of magic. Even in a city ruled by Karsus, a Chaotic Neutral person, being suspected of stealing magical knowledge aka espionage is punished by death. Killing another magical user means that you will become a slave subject of the Karsus enclave magical experiments.

As a diehard magocracy, killing a Wizard familiar is a more serious crime than killing non human/non magic users. Killing non human magic humans often only gave a small fine. Casting mind affecting spells would result in mid of the city would result in death. Causing propriety damage while casting a fireball spell means that you will have to pay it in double. They have extremely strong divination magic, so you can't just evade his laws. And flee the city? Good lucky fleeing a floating enclave.

In Netherese, you have a strict hierarchy.

1. The Archwizard who created the floating city and is lv 35+
2. The apprentices of the archwizard which are all epic levels but not strong enough to create his own floating enclaves
3. Accomplished casters which lead the army, help making magic items, set magic factories producing constructs and magic items, enforce the laws dictated by the two above
4. Medium level casters which are often young casters
5. Low level arcane casters/ Priesthood
6. Wizards familiars and wz family members who aren't wizards
7. Non magic humans and non magic elves/gnomes
8. Domestic animals
9. Cattle
10. Shit
11. Criminals scums who are only useful to be test subjects for magical experiemnts
12. Manlets incapable of casting arcane spells

That is the correct hierarchy which a society in a high magical world should be based from.

Yes, ruthless magocracy. That's what I said. The above sounds pretty fascist to me (not as a critique).

And naturally, in a setting where wizards are dime a dozen, the implications should be running so deep that nobody bothers to think them through. Like free protection of charm amulets being given to every maiden, every porter being equipped with items to see invisible, every corpse being run through a meatgrinder to prevent it being used by hostile necromancers and so on and so forth (in other words, ironically, rendering all those superpowahs useless in a civil society and making it pretty much magic-free. when everyone has superpowahs, nobody has)

 

[Lacrymas]

Not every authoritarian regime is fascist. This would be fascist only if wizards are born with the right genes to work magic and so are superior and biologically preordained to rule over the lesser non-mages.

 

[mondblut]

Not every authoritarian regime is fascist. This would be fascist only if wizards are born with the right genes to work magic and so are superior and biologically preordained to rule over the lesser non-mages.

What biological superiority did actual literal fascists have over non-fascist population?

Imagine being born non-fascist and then crossing over into fascist party... unthinkable for real fascism, huh?

 

[Lacrymas]

What biological superiority did actual literal fascists have over non-fascist population?

They (or specifically the Nazis) thought their Aryan genes made them biologically superior and so preordained to rule. Having magic be hereditary through genes is legitimizing that view and making it metaphysically correct.

 

[mondblut]

What biological superiority did actual literal fascists have over non-fascist population?

They (or specifically the Nazis) thought their Aryan genes made them biologically superior and so preordained to rule.

You said nothing of nazis. You said "fascism".

Having magic be hereditary through genes is legitimizing that view and making it metaphysically correct.

Yes, and? Even fucking harry potter covers these bases.

 

[NJClaw]

Not every authoritarian regime is fascist. This would be fascist only if wizards are born with the right genes to work magic and so are superior and biologically preordained to rule over the lesser non-mages.

We literally invented fascism and we didn't really care about genes. We cared about some kind of imaginary "Italianity", but definitely not from a genetic point of view.

 

[Lacrymas]

Having magic be hereditary through genes is legitimizing that view and making it metaphysically correct.

Yes, and? Even fucking harry potter covers these bases.

And that's why I think it will inevitably turn into a fascist dictatorship.

We literally invented fascism and we didn't really care about genes. We cared about some kind of imaginary "Italianity", but definitely not from a genetic point of view.

Mussolini literally wrote a manifesto about race and claimed Italians should proclaim themselves openly racist and that they are superior to Slavs (of all people).

 

[Grunker]

Nobody ever captured one of these female barbarians and tortured them until they gave up the secret of raging

No spy ever snuck inside one of these academies and stole their secrets through basic observation

No Wizard ever cast a simple scrying spell to observe these techniques being taught in order to use them on his own slaves

Jesus Christ, it's a setting. A setting is supposed to be a loosely coherent set of prompts and ideas to create interesting characters and experience interesting adventures, not a treatise on a perfectly rational and irreproachable alternative world.

spergs gonna sperg

speaking of:

What biological superiority did actual literal fascists have over non-fascist population?

They (or specifically the Nazis) thought their Aryan genes made them biologically superior and so preordained to rule. Having magic be hereditary through genes is legitimizing that view and making it metaphysically correct.

 

[mondblut]

Having magic be hereditary through genes is legitimizing that view and making it metaphysically correct.

Yes, and? Even fucking harry potter covers these bases.

And that's why I think it will inevitably turn into a fascist dictatorship.

Yes, that's what I said. Either people will kill all mages to stop mages from enslaving them, or mages will enslave all people to stop people from killing them.

What's your point, that this idea is taboo and needs to be memoryholed in game design, lest someone gets triggered by Voldemort PTSD or something?

 

[Lacrymas]

Yes, that's what I said. Either people will kill all mages to stop mages from enslaving them, or mages will enslave all people to stop people from killing them.

What's your point, that this idea is taboo and needs to be memoryholed in game design, lest someone gets triggered by Voldemort PTSD or something?

I created a setting with no arcane casters in it.

 

[Cael]

Yes, that's what I said. Either people will kill all mages to stop mages from enslaving them, or mages will enslave all people to stop people from killing them.

What's your point, that this idea is taboo and needs to be memoryholed in game design, lest someone gets triggered by Voldemort PTSD or something?

I created a setting with no arcane casters in it.

No. You created a setting where instead of saying "There are no arcane casters in it because I don't like it.", you created one where you went "There is no arcane casters in it because of some spurious, illogical, stupid hand waving monstrosity of a reason I ad hoc put together on the fly to justify my own impotence."

There is a big difference between the two.

Man up and just ban arcane magic by saying "I am the DM, this is my setting, and there is no arcane magic in it.", boy.

 

[mondblut]

Man up and just ban arcane magic by saying "I am the DM, this is my setting, and there is no arcane magic in it.", boy.

Nothing wrong with "once people got scared of mages and killed them all". Also leaves a convenient backdoor for plot hooks where someone has secretly survived.

 

[Cael]

Man up and just ban arcane magic by saying "I am the DM, this is my setting, and there is no arcane magic in it.", boy.

Nothing wrong with "once people got scared of mages and killed them all". Also leaves a convenient backdoor for plot hooks where someone has secretly survived.

Which is fine, except the twat went on about eunuch paladins and take an inordinate interest in NPC sex lives. Fuckwit is a perv.

 

[Cunt Dickula!?]

That is very weird, please clarify your reasons behind that.

If they break that vow and someone finds out, they get castrated. I figured they should get something special, i.e. Lay on Hands is the only character-based healing, in order to "justify" the immense requirements.

What's the consequences for paladins using "Lay on Hands" on their own junk..?

(if you know what I mean...)

Here is an idea: your mana is literally your sperm. In order to cast a lot of magic, you have to conserve it. Jerk off, and you won't be able to cast a single cantrip for a day or two.

Spellcasting also puts an increasing strain on your libido, and an oft-practicing wizard finds himself essentially a sexless creature over time. All those bimbos he wanted to charm are now useless to him. An aspiring student of wizardry is thus trading the ability to get laid a few times early on for a lifetime of impotency. That's why most people don't care about becoming wizards.

Isn't it already in real life that way!?
That would explain nofap superpowers at least.

 

[mondblut]

Here is an idea: your mana is literally your sperm. In order to cast a lot of magic, you have to conserve it. Jerk off, and you won't be able to cast a single cantrip for a day or two.

Spellcasting also puts an increasing strain on your libido, and an oft-practicing wizard finds himself essentially a sexless creature over time. All those bimbos he wanted to charm are now useless to him. An aspiring student of wizardry is thus trading the ability to get laid a few times early on for a lifetime of impotency. That's why most people don't care about becoming wizards.

Isn't it already in real life that way!?
That would explain nofap superpowers at least.

They want to believe.

 

[Yosharian]

Lmao apparently it's 'sperging' to expect a setting to have logical consistency

 

[Commissar Draco]

Not every authoritarian regime is fascist. This would be fascist only if wizards are born with the right genes to work magic and so are superior and biologically preordained to rule over the lesser non-mages.

it would be called realism not fascism, wizardy is based on intelligence and intelligence is something which is genes based so its natural that given that wizardry requires books and years of education and cant be cheap most of wizards would be children of wizards and wealthy elite.

Not to mention that fascism was revolutionary syndicalism + nationalism + actualism so if the system was actually fascist the wizardry would be abhored as elitist and state would be promoting instead some popular alternative like training sorcerers instead among the nation youth organisations.

Biological preordained to rule over lesser non mages would be however something closer but not the same since it will be open for various races to national socialism which is socialism but based on race theory and conquest of Lebensraum. So if this state only allowed for example for Elves to learn and practice magic and for example gnome mages were hunted down it would be national-socialist magocracy.




Anyways all societies are based and build on hierarchy and any regime needs to be authoritarian ergo posses authoritas to enact its decisions to function and only stupid Anglo youths are led to believe otherwise that in order to make their nations weak and sundered by dissent and ineffective.

 

[Lacrymas]

Not every authoritarian regime is fascist. This would be fascist only if wizards are born with the right genes to work magic and so are superior and biologically preordained to rule over the lesser non-mages.

it would be called realism not fascism, wizardy is based on intelligence and intelligence is something which is genes based

Not really, but let's pretend it is. I am calling this fascism because a biologically superior master race legitimising its rule based on that is what the fascists/Nazis wanted or thought was true. A setting in which wizards get reality-changing powers based on genes will metaphysically confirm their theory and there will be no alternative. They simply are biologically superior and will be the elite ruling class forever.

However, even if you could learn magic and it's not gene-based the problem still remains. It will still be a magocracy, just not fascy in that sense.

 

[NJClaw]

We literally invented fascism and we didn't really care about genes. We cared about some kind of imaginary "Italianity", but definitely not from a genetic point of view.

Mussolini literally wrote a manifesto about race and claimed Italians should proclaim themselves openly racist and that they are superior to Slavs (of all people).

Yeah, nice decontextualization.

Mussolini rose to power in 1922 and for 16 years never even thought about the concept of race. He was obsessed with Italians being the descendants of Rome, but there was no trace of the racism that you can find in Hitler's Mein Kampf. This is what he had to say about nazi race theories:

"Thirty centuries of history allow us to look with supreme pity on certain doctrines which are preached beyond the Alps by the descendants of those who were illiterate when Rome had Caesar, Virgil and Augustus".

No sign of racism based on biology, only the ostentation of a flamboyant cultural superiority.

It's almost universally recognized by historians that Mussolini's Manifesto of Race (only published in 1938) and the following racial laws were political instruments to appease Hitler and strengthen the alliance with Nazist Germany.

 

[Lacrymas]

We literally invented fascism and we didn't really care about genes. We cared about some kind of imaginary "Italianity", but definitely not from a genetic point of view.

Mussolini literally wrote a manifesto about race and claimed Italians should proclaim themselves openly racist and that they are superior to Slavs (of all people).

Yeah, nice decontextualization.

Mussolini rose to power in 1922 and for 16 years never even thought about the concept of race. He was obsessed with Italians being the descendants of Rome, but there was no trace of the racism that you can find in Hitler's Mein Kampf. This is what he had to say about nazi race theories:

"Thirty centuries of history allow us to look with supreme pity on certain doctrines which are preached beyond the Alps by the descendants of those who were illiterate when Rome had Caesar, Virgil and Augustus".

No sign of racism based on biology, only the ostentation of a flamboyant cultural superiority.

It's almost universally recognized by historians that Mussolini's Manifesto of Race (only published in 1938) and the following racial laws were political instruments to appease Hitler and strengthen the alliance with Nazist Germany.

Sure, but this is what stuck and what fascism is mostly associated with post-factum. You can't have a contemporary discussion about fascism without including race and racial superiority. But whether it's "truly" fascism or "only" Nazism is besides the point as my reasoning for removing arcane magic has little to do with that and everything to do with the inevitable magocracy that will spawn if mages are allowed to exist.

 

[NJClaw]

Sure, but this is what stuck and what fascism is mostly associated with post-factum. You can't have a contemporary discussion about fascism without including race and racial superiority. But whether it's "truly" fascism or "only" Nazism is besides the point as my reasoning for removing arcane magic has little to do with that and everything to do with the inevitable magocracy that will spawn if mages are allowed to exist.

I'm just defending my homie Benito

 

[Cryomancer]

Man up and just ban arcane magic by saying "I am the DM, this is my setting, and there is no arcane magic in it.", boy.

Nothing wrong with "once people got scared of mages and killed them all". Also leaves a convenient backdoor for plot hooks where someone has secretly survived.

If someone survived, they will probably be enemies in Lacrymas setting, not a PC class. Right?

IMO, unless the society is very chaotic aligned, a lot of spells would be banned. And not like in BG2:SoA, where you can just bribe for a license to use magic and walk in mid of Athkatla streets with a army of skeletons casting mind affecting spells in everyone and casting fireball and as longs nobody is hit, nobody cares. That is dumb. Is like someone IRL throwing molotov at random in mid of the city. In a high magic world, things like Netheril and Thay would be also be extremely common.

Man up and just ban arcane magic by saying "I am the DM, this is my setting, and there is no arcane magic in it.", boy.

Strongly agree. He could say "magic needs a divine intervention to work since the world creation[note bellow']" or "magic users got hunted by the church and all magic knowledge is dead. Maybe a NPC enemy will appear with that knowledge but he would be a enemy, I am the DM and magic is not for PC's. If you wanna use arcane magic, go find another DM". Would be better explanations IMO.

The DM/Referee has the power to ban and enforce every restriction that he wanna. If he wanna no firearms in his setting, is his right. Same with magic. Lacrymas also hate circle of the moon druids. So no circle of the moon druids on his setting.

Note : Warlocks following the interpretation that they use the power of his patron could work in that setting. The original idea of warlock which LEARNS from his/her patron, would't be able to exist.

magocracy that will spawn if mages are allowed to exist.

I get, but what is the problem of empires like Thay, Glantri and Netheril?

You can say that you don't like and don't wanna it in your setting. IS more than enough reason to not put it.

 

[Lacrymas]

Akshually, I allow Moon Druids with a 1 min cooldown on their shapeshifting. At least until I create my own circles.

You can say that you don't like and don't wanna it in your setting. IS more than enough reason to not put it.

But I don't like it for specific reasons, not just because.

 

[Cael]

Akshually, I allow Moon Druids with a 1 min cooldown on their shapeshifting. At least until I create my own circles.

You can say that you don't like and don't wanna it in your setting. IS more than enough reason to not put it.

But I don't like it for specific reasons, not just because.

Specific stupid, ill-thought out, retarded, perverse, immature reasons, which you then go and defend like dangerhairs defend false rape accusations.