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Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. Nevill Arcane

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    So, even if this is a 'legitimate' way to leave one's parents, it is still heavily frowned upon? Did Miss Song have an easier time because her parents were already dead by the time she ran away, and her uncle didn't have the same clout her real father would have?

    One more question, then. The Saint have said that the code dictates there needs to be a fight, and there is a tradition in place to regulate this sort of thing. Does this tradition exist to determine if one is worthy to keep the arts of the school even if they didn't part cordially with them? Is the sentiment behind such a rule that if you can beat the greatest master of your school then you are a disciple in name only, and you no longer have to be bound by their restrictions? Why does the rule exist at all?

    More precisely, what are we trying to prove by winning this duel Bai Jiutian suggested, especially when it didn't even have to have the Twins among the participants? Or is this the case where a tradition lives on even as its original meaning is forgotten?

    All I see is 'here's our guys, here's their guys, whoever beats the other up gets to make the rules'.
     
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  2. treave Arcane Patron

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    Just because something is legitimate doesn't mean it has no drawbacks or punishments involved. When they are disinherited, Nie Wuxing has the right to take back everything they owe him. How much is just a matter of how lenient he wants to be.

    Mao Sanjiao isn't related to Song Lingshu by adoption or blood, so he has very little say in the matter except as an elder/chief of the sect, where he can just as easily call for her martial arts to be stripped. But since she's the daughter of the last head, was head for a period of time, not entirely unpopular herself and if he tried to do it himself he would be facing a difficult fight, the situation is different for him.

    The tradition is there to make it hard for people to leave, and also because pugilists live for the little excuses to test their martial arts all the time. I remember talking about this before?

    At any rate, by winning the duel you're effectively taking away the Twins from Nie Wuxing and having them under your protection. This also means your entourage is recognized as a faction of its own, and if the group had a name it could even be considered a small sect. For example, if the Twins fled to Emei for shelter from their father, the nuns would have to participate in a duel with Huashan to settle the matter too.
     
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  3. Nevill Arcane

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    Yes, when we chose between the orthodox and unorthodox paths. I am asking because I was rereading that part and didn't find anything about a duel there. I thought the disciples were completely at a mercy of the sect leadership. Turns out there are rules regulating them moving between the factions.

    Thanks, it's a bit clearer now.

    How many girls do we have to take in for that to be an option? :lol:

    I imagine our sect would be much more popular among the young ladies than Emei.
     
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  4. treave Arcane Patron

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    You're completely at the mercy of the sect leadership unless you choose not to be and deal with those consequences instead, so I didn't think I needed to mention it at the time. I think something related was also brought up during the Shaolin arc.

    Also, you technically already have your own faction: the Fire Cult, just that they don't know about it yet.
     
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  5. Jester Arbiter

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    Hmm the rule of duel are if i understand corectly that duelists must follow orders, cant attack strategists and try to kill. Tactician on other hand cant fight directly.
    I expect Saint will uphold all ruled because of honor and stuff.

    Sword saint is imo person who will stop duel on breake of rules not bending them.

    So from one perspective D is bad end because we will directly involve ourselves in fight while C is ok as long as our duelists wont attack Nie. From other perspective D is fine because we dont only Jing in danger, while C is dead end because we endanger Nie.

    Question is what is Saint breaking point? Attempting kill? Puting person in danger? Breaking no direct intervention rule?

    Will vote CA for now. I doubt that saint will stop us if we wont attack Nie, still its only my interpretation.

    Technically Jing is in a way his own sect... or part of emperor sect.
     
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  6. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    This makes me wonder how well codex could have played a orthodox character?

    I guess we would have minimal trouble with beggars, since they seem to be more free than everyone else.
    With Shaolin I guess we would have been most cautious, since they seems pretty bro and codex would been deathly afraid of losing their martial art ability.
    We would had okay time with Wudang when Big Wang was there, but after that???
    I guess Hueshan could have gone either way. We defninately would have gotten in trouble, but to get chance to inflirate into Nies inner family circle and this conspiracy should theoritically stopped us doing any major wtf moments in orthodox world view.
     
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  7. Akkudakku Arbiter

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    Xu Jing school of the way of the Troll.

    The regimen is hard and trying as you must best Master Jing in the ways of subterfuge, dickery AND fucking.
     
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  8. Nevill Arcane

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    My guess is 'pretty poorly'.

    Codexian penchant for lulz and trolling with a healthy disregard for rules and regulations aside, it is still an unfamiliar setting. A lot of laws and concepts that govern the characters' everyday lives look outdated, alien or 'stupid' from our point of view. It is thus easier to relate to a character that doubts the validity of such laws than the one that abides by them unquestionably.

    That is even without considering that it is always more interesting to play as someone exceptional.
     
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  9. Kipeci Arcane

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    I think Jing would have been a pretty exceptional character even as an orthodontist, just in a different sort of way. Wudang would have had him under the personal tutelage of the head of the pugilist world, and that would have been even more impressive since he would have been able to come up with his crazy bullshit powers earlier due to Jing popping up quite a while sooner. Huashan would have not really been able to do much with his neigong, but there he would have been extensively drilled and overdrilled in the best regarded sword school while himself being the character with the best possible background for sword and saber learning.

    I doubt he would have integrated all that well with very orthodox peers though, treave implied that he'd be fairly socially isolated in most of those cases.
     
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  10. Nevill Arcane

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    Breaking rules is the easiest way to feel 'special', though. We would always be compelled to eavesdrop, sneak out, laugh at our stuck-up peers and do fun things.

    I don't think we would have been able to put up with the orthodoxy as something more than a front. I guess we might have ended up like Frathouse.

    Or, God forbid, Bai Jiutian.
     
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  11. Kipeci Arcane

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    I don't think we were that into trolling everyone 24/7 before we made the split for the unorthodox path, and that one was an incredibly close vote. Once we went orthodox there was of course the impulse to go all the way and commit to maximum unorthodoxy, and so then we began taking more of the trolling options as they showed up. I think Jing would have turned out to be much less light-hearted than he is now.
     
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  12. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    We get fairly well with most orthodox characters.
    Sure we would eventually would ended up head butting against some people in each sect, but I have feeling that we would also get fairly well with some people like current Qi Liuwe student or those young shaolin monks.

    Of course lot of it depends how we would had dealt with our problems with outside world....Of course our luck 1 would defninately put in most troublesome situations.
     
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  13. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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  14. Nevill Arcane

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    There were only, like, 4 updates up until that point. It's hard to tell.

    Still, we have already established ourselves as a wayward soul and a rulebreaker. We have accepted Yunzi's challenge against the Duke's wishes. We have jumped on her horse - because the rules didn't say we couldn't! The next update was about a choice of power-ups, and in the very next one we have betrayed our duties of a bodyguard to save the girl.

    So, three updates, three rules bent or broken. How's that for orthodoxy?

    That's just how the 'Dex naturally swings.

    The vote was close, in large part, because of this sentiment:
    Once we got a whiff of what being unorthodox was really about (and met our Master), you didn't see anyone complaining. It fit our character and our style like a glove.
     
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  15. Baltika9 Arcane

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    True, even though every update makes this LP feel more and more like a nonstop Steel Panther album.
    Would have had the same problem had we went with orthodoxy, though.
     
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  16. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Back when the choice was presented, I imagined we'd spend a lot of updates away from the world of jianghu, and I wanted us to explore the sects more and possibly get into some Diolike intrigue.
     
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  17. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    I have feeling that our attitude wouldn't have caused that much problem amongst beggars. They generally don't seem to give a fuck most normal social rules and they are pretty scoundralish in good way like we seem to be. Of course we probably wouldn't be as strong as our current Jing or Wudang Jing, but we would be pretty solid fighter with Dragon subduing palms and I have feeling that beggars wouldn't be that strict about using techniques outside of their sect.
    However at the end of our first training session, beggar Jing would be probabry be one of weakest combat Jings, but with good stealth and speech skills as well good knowledge of the real world.
    I feel that as far as attitude or personality goes our current Jing and Beggar Jing would be very similiar.

    Shaolin is interesting, because I feel it would be lot like somekind of redemption story arc. A boy used in luxury and doing dirty deeds to prince in decadent Tang court comes to strickt and pure Shaolin temple and starts to learn good and simply life of the monk. I have feeling that late abbot Fangzheng would taught us his ways to mantain good public image, while whoring and drinking. On more serious note I feel that we would have been okay as long as we didn't do any great injustice like murdering innocents and start poisoning people...Well we would probably ended enduring lot of punishemnt like cleaning and extra praying, but we would had massively to fuck up to get our neigong stripped off. The only massive downside is that we could have no harem...OR at laest as pubcically as we do now.
    The upside would be that we would had pretty good starting moves as well potentially learn terrifying defensive techniques and eye laser...And I do have to wonder would that old shaolin librarian fixed our neigong? Would he come to diffrent solutation than either Big Wang or Zhang Jue? Would he had been able to solve it?
    Anyway I feel that we would have come from shaolin Jing would be probably one of strongest, if not the strongest Jing after the first training period and perhaps with decent scholar or artistic skills with him, but he would probably spend more time in training than any other character as well as have little to no knowledge of outside world. On otherhand, I have a feeling that those young shaolin monks would probably be broest of the bros in orthodox sects as long as we won't be murdering and poisoning unorthodox guy.
    Personality wise Shaolin Jing would be most strick person and bit more humble, but more friendly or it may even encounter the trolling to go more suble direction. It's pretty difficult to think how Shaolin would had shaped a strong headed child like Jing in his formative years,

    Hueshan would have been delicious place to start a harem and perhaps best place to learn sneaky orthodox character, if we attracted the attention of Madam Nie.
    I feel that perhaps Hueshan could have been a place where there is most stark contrast between orthodox and unorthodox path in Madam Nie and Nie wuxing teachings way, while ironically both are pretty much in peace. It would be have been pretty exciting place to play intrique game, while worrying how to fix our neigong.
    Not to mention said neigong makes us outcast in the hueshan
    Hueashan is good way place to start harem in form of the twins and Bai Jiutian as well ability to use lot of cash compared to other sects. Not to mention would probably start or soon would have stumbled on pretty strong leads after initial training montage.
    Speaking of training montages, I feel that Hueshan Jing would be one of top contestants after the first training session. We would probably have most moves out of techniques as well most skills in raw weapon skills, but perhaps only small boost drinking,scholarship,artistic skill or speech skills. Not to mention our knowlledge of real world would be limited.
    Hueshan Jing would be probably most serious and perhaps more moody...Well as moody as troll like character Jing can be. On otherhand heushan could also have chance to make more sociable due the initial hurdle that he would be outcast and the extra work required to not to be outcast...Then Again I have feeling that we wouldd have gone with Zhang Jue in first opportunity we get, if we had gone to hueshan.


    Wudang is probably second easiest place socially after beggars due neigong problem. Wudang guys would have been pretty excited about our neigong, of course the said attention probably leads to some jelous looks. Wudang would most likely allow most open mind and perhaps relaxed jing out of all jings...Perhaps more of thinking Jing than other action or speech oriented Jings....Wudang Jing would be most liekly most Zen Jing
    We would defninately stayed in wudang, if not any other reason than our neigong. Of course there would have been other good reasons like Big Wang as well that pretty killer neigong and taiji fist/sword combo.
    Ironically Wudang Jing would had probably been one of weaked dudes in the beginning. Taiji Fist seems to be one of those moves that drasitically get more power as users skills and understanding grows, but Jing wouldn't have much neither in the beginning. I feel that Wudang guys would probably push us to raise our mental stats or combination of mental and physical. I have feeling that skill wise we would have gottent scholarship,artistic, herbalism and pressaure points.
    Of course Wudang Jing might be just be strong enought to be more powerful after neigong activation than our Jing after Southermaniac training arc.
     
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  18. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    Shoulda rolled with da Bandits.
     
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  19. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    Gaining that +3 endurance as breeding stud?
     
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  20. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    That's also harem++, so's all good.
     
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  21. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    That was bit unexpected, but it didn't even bend the rules or at laest Ashina tribe didn't view it so. In that particle the best case for bending rules in that match would have been fighting like Yunzi, using whip to scare horse instead honorable dueling with fists alone. I say it was like fighting fire with fire rather than any rule breaking or outright seeking advantage of more honorable foe.

    We did have very good reason to believe that prince was safe and with lot of guards. Not to mention Yunzi was a princess and saving her could only be good for empire, there was very good reason to overlook the guardian duty for more secure future for Shun.
    If it had been some random peasant girl, then we would have been more of rule breaker or bender.

    Technically we only had to obey Shun in that situation and he pretty much give us free hands, but you do have a point that we were wayward soul here.


    Didn't you guys complain like hell about weak combat ability under Yao Shunshi? Or generally about neigong problem.
    From what I remember there was lot of gruntling back then and only stopped when Zhang Jue entered in the picture.
     
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  22. Nevill Arcane

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    It didn't bend the rules because it wasn't in the rules. Like messing with Mudan's waist sash or the thing we are attempting currently.

    You can't bend what is not there. But the choice clearly stated it was an attempt to take her by surprise by doing something out of the ordinary:
    It's not the bodyguard's duty to 'believe'.

    Yeah, I know, there were reasons to do the things we did. We are not a lunatic who breaks the laws simply because they are there. But we were expected to check up on the prince first and foremost. Not even by the prince himself, mind you - by the very rules of society that place the life of royalty above all concerns.

    Well, Shun didn't give us an order, while the other guy did (or a warning, or call it what you want, but the point is, he didn't want us to interfere). We were told to do as we please, so that means we wanted to do stuff that breaks the order. That's how I see it.

    Not me. :)
    Besides, that's exactly what I am talking about. People thought we wouldn't get far with unorthodoxy, and they were proven wrong.
    Do you think we would have been that much more of a badass if we spent that year in the orthodox sect bullied for our pathetic neigong instead of wandering the land with Yao?

    Grumbling is just one of our favorite pasttimes.
     
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  23. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    It's bit diffrent between those cases.
    In ashina match jumping on other horse wasn't seen breaking any spirits of rules compared to Nie Mudan match. It was seen as shrewd and romantic kind of battle plan rather than anything near orthodox vs unorthodox fighting style, otherwise we would probably been booed from stage by the crow, if we had been against the rules either literally or by spirit of the rules. Not to mention Yunzi herself did use our horse as stepping stone, so it does seem that you can use opponents horse, if you are able.

    In Nie mudan match we used pure trickery in martial artist competion to win a match and it was totally against spirit of the match. Judges actually had to discuss about legality of our match and there was quite uproar in orthodox side of thingsm primery in hueshan side, but the point stands.
    It was unorthodox because it went completly against rules as well humiliating your opponent in a way that was not fitting in the battle arena.

    We indeed had options to defeat Nie Mudan easily without resorting to strip her...Not that I am against it, but I think there are enought diffrences between Ashina match and Nie mudans that we can't really compare them in orthodox and unorthodox scale....Then again we would probably stripped Yunzi, if we had given the chance and that would have been unorthodox move.

    Technically we were aide rather than just a bodyguard.
    It's true that prince safety was foremost concern, but we didn't really have same kind of blatant disregard for rules yet than we have now. There were lot of logically good reason ensure that Ashina were happy with us as well lot of facts that prince should be in pretty good safe.

    I think it was one part of ignorance and one part of wounded pride, rather than break order.
    But at that stage order did still matter to us, at laest order from Shun. Not to mention Jing has long history of followin orders of nobles.

    In the beginning? Yes.
    Apart from obvious stuff like bit of fighting skill raising and nice set of techniques, we would still have our orthodox buddies to watch our back.
    I do not think that we would have been bullied, but a bit of outcast depending on the sect. Hueshan seems to be perhaps harshes in this regard, but I do not think we would been alone, but we probably would have gotten some really close comrades.

    The only reason we are badass as we are now is because of Zhang Jue and that is by a chance we met him. We would have been drastically weaker, if we had continued to travel with Yao. Not that there is anything wrong with the old man, but our tiger adjutant was just wrong character to be trained by him.

    Very true:lol:
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  24. treave Arcane Patron

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    Huashan would be the 'hardest' starter path even with naturally high sword potential, but gives you an easy in to the intrigue and early meeting with the Sword Saint.
     
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  25. Nevill Arcane

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    Oh? What would be the pretext for that meeting?

    Did the Saint keep in touch with his former school? I thought he didn't want to do much with Brother Nie.
     
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