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Nevill

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If Shun planned all of this from the start, then it began long before he got the Xuanyuan Sword, and disarming him of the sword won't actually do much except temporarily removing a single weapon from his arsenal? :M
So basically, this choice is all about faith (and love). If we believe he ever was a bro and was later subverted, or if we think he always was a manipulative bastard.

Since he didn't start praising Heavens up until he got The Sword, I am guessing it's the former.

But I also do not care. :M
 

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Ah, but didn't you point out he was being shitty shifty during the Conference itself, before he got the sword? :M
 

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C>A.

B is out of the question - he's commited to this.

A sounds pretty good, but he might be able to copy our techs, while still using Xuanming Jiuyin and Xiaoming Jiuyang.
 
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treave" said:
Ah, but didn't you point out he was being shitty shifty during the Conference itself, before he got the sword? :M
He was. He didn't turn overnight. He was exhibiting traits of both a good guy and a bad guy for some time now.

He is speaking of something he had foreseen, and I am getting strong Saruman vibes here. The HEAVANZ might have used his desire to secure a better future for his people against him. The thing is, there might have been something left from Shun of old. He might have had a plan long ago, but it might not have been supposed to go exactly like this.

It is about giving him a benefit of the doubt.

My guess is that he might snap out of it in A when he kills his brother and the sword wouldn't be there to tell him that it is alright.

Sadly, I am not a fan of heartwarming stories that get the kids killed, and I wanted it to be this way since the very beginning, so... :M
 
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Yeah. I wanted to be his Darth Vader, but noooo.

Bah. Let's die using the WQS the emperor knows better. Grand idea! I mean, even though the emperor, after studying WQS for only a short time, gave us some notes that granted the greatest bonus we ever saw, we're still bound to beat him using this tech. Right? ... Right?!?
Or, you know, we could try and use the swords. We do have one arm of the sword saint, remember?

A
 

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Sadly, I am not a fan of heartwarming stories that get the kids killed, and I wanted it to be this way since the very beginning, so... :M
I called it:
Not long at all.

The Adjutant does seem pretty cool, though. Fuck, we may even end up playing "The Gladiator" in a Chinese setting, especially if the crown prince is a fucking douchebagCommodus.
:smug:
 

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Bah. Let's die using the WQS the emperor knows better.
Ah, but you see, this is the beauty of recursion - everything his WQS can do, ours can do, too.

What kind of secret knowledge do you need to mash the Awesome Button, anyway? :rpgcodex:

More importantly, I am voting for the only choice that explicitly states we will be trying to kill the fucker instead of juggling swords! :argh:
I called it:
All I wanted since the very beginning of the LP is to kill our brother in a duel on the rooftops of the Palace. :negative:

Well, that and to unleash a horde of screaming Mongols on a soft unsuspecting Chinese populace.

At least some of it may come true.
 
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Re: the debate about when Shun turned evil, I'm going to point out that he asked for WQS tips before the Sword Conference, and then there's this:

“Of course not!” She leans her head back gleefully, her shoulders shivering with laughter. “What would you say if I told you that I found out just where the rumours of the manuals’ re-emergence started? What would you say, if I told you that it originated from the palace?”
 

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He didn't get chummy with manxing yesterday either. The signs were there for a while.

It is still a question when he turned stupid evil.
 

Akkudakku

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C papamole to the max.
A looks like a mistake, the asshole will OUT WQS us in A and we are fucked.
 

Elfberserker

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What is this!?
You guys don't believe in BROTHERHOOD AND LOVE3E!?

B for shiny manly love&peace, you cynical heartless bastards.
:rpgcodex:
 

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The more we use our sword skills in A, the better Shun will be becoming thru WQS.
Our only chance is to outsmart him with WQS (C) by having greater combat experience.
 

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While I myself am a supporter of C, I feel the need to point out that WQS does not work all that well with the techniques designed for the Great Swords.

Not that we have any. :M

Hm, wasn't it said that Xuezi could have beaten the Immortal at Taoying Island with sheer mastery of her kung-fu? And that Shun wasn't a martial artist - well, not before he picked all of the manuals, at least - as he had other duties to attend to.

Maybe the point about experience is a valid one, and we may yet stand a chance here.
 
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I wonder if base plan of Shun was to decrease power of sects to put a muzzle on them and after certain dick sword made him celestial biatch. That would explain why sword was entombed and why person who had been gutted by celestial for going against heaven will is behaving like retard.

"Betrayal" After all this was first was word used when Jing saw this damned thing. Looks like it works similar to Demon sword, slowly twisting mind of user. Friging Diablo Immortal give my fighter Emperor back. They couldnt win in head on fight so they Jafar it up.

Will go with A.
Shun is a brother.
 

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I'm starting to think that finishing off Yang Xue was the equivalent of jumping the rpg straight to the final boss, minus a few levels we really really needed.

I'm perfectly willing to allow you guys your shortcuts.

If you didn't fight Yang Xue, you'd have skipped on getting injured and the orthodox Masters would have gotten treatment in time and survived. The Huashan Summit would then have been a messy, long conflict involving you + Wudu Cult + all Amesha Spenta + Minamoto + Shaolin/Wudang/Emei vs rest of the Eight Sects and their minor schools vs Yang Xue, Zhang Manxing & berserker army vs gatecrashing Bandit Kingdom remnants vs imperial constables and soldiers, over the legendary manuals that were gathered there, instead of a proper competition.

People would have died, old grudges would have been settled (in blood or otherwise), and generally shit would have gone down.
 

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All I am really missing is the way we reconciled the Wudu and the Fire Cult. :negative:

Also, what was the death toll of that engagement with Yang Xue?

Wuxing and his wife we know about, Liu Ye... anyone else? How did Su Cheng die? Did Qi Liuwu die, too? Did Jiu Mo?

What happened to Qingfeng, Lanhai and their kids?

Oh, and what happened to our dear uncle Mao and the whole Qingcheng succession?
 
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treave

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Beggars and Zuo family are alive and well. Zhang Manxing offed Su Cheng and Mao Sanjiao.
 

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If you didn't fight Yang Xue, you'd have skipped on getting injured and the orthodox Masters would have gotten treatment in time and survived.
Don't tell me we would have been the ones treating them. :|
 

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“I know I taught you Wuxiang Qiankun… and you could have obtained a copy of the Jiuyang manual before it was stolen by the Zhang clan… but where did you get the Jiuyin skills? From Yang Xue?”

Shun laughs and shakes his head. “I suppose you could say that it just… fell into my hands. Luck? Fate? Heaven’s will, perhaps?”

“When did you plan all of this?” you ask again.

“…it does not matter anymore how it all started. What matters is how it is going to end.”




Pretty sure he wants to either kill us or he wants us to kill him. Suicide by man tiger pig. The sword may be controlling him, or maybe it's just his crazy bloodline. The above quotes are pretty interesting. Where did he get the manual? Who gave it to him?

C>A
 

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Don't tell me we would have been the ones treating them. :|
Huashan Twins crying, kneeling and begging you to let Cao'er save their father. Nie Wuxing insists you save his wife first.

There would be a choice to do it in agreement for some concessions, you guys would likely have taken either it or the pro bono choice, and ultimately Nie would still have tried to fuck you over at Huashan Summit while Lambchop19 rants about Theseus. :lol:
 

treave

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Nah, he'd have done it to bail you out of a tricky spot in a Big Damn Heroes moment. You'd have been hailing his broness for pages. :M

Edit: And yeah, it'd have been a more juicy climax than getting punched by Yang Xue. Then again you guys knowingly chose to go after Zhang Manxing yet again, so I'm sure it was expected on some level.
 
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