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Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. Zero Credibility Arcane

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    treave, I know you are a much better writer then I am or probably ever could be, and I am really enjoying this game. But might I make a suggestion? I really dislike straight out-of-character info dumps, and in particular of the type where it is stated what the other options would lead to - those always then influence the rest of the game. If we needed to learn this, maybe it would be better if we did that in the update, by having some character (like maybe our scholar) tell us his opinion.
     
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  2. Nevill Arcane

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    I am really, really holding back the urge to ask about the possible outcomes of our first encounter with Qingcheng Sect, and a hundred of similar questions. I can only hope the flowcharts will see the light of day after the game (or maybe the current plotline) ends. But I must agree with Zero Credibility here. I would much rather find out the ramifications of our actions - both the ones we have taken, and the ones we only speculated about - from the game itself. And if we have no way to confirm it in-game, then the information is lost to us, at least until the game ends. Choices and consequences.
     
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  3. Kayerts Arcane

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    I've barely been active in this thread, but I like the what-if infodumps. Here's why!

    1. CYOAs don't have transparent mechanics. When there are conflicting variables applied toward a given outcome, the result is resolved using a model of the world that only the GM is privy to. More information about different resolutions gives players a better sense of the rules they're playing by and what factors they should be paying attention to. To the extent that the thread is a game, I think that makes it a more interesting game.

    2. It showcases more of the setting and gives us an idea of how things work in it. To the extent that the thread's a collaborative storytelling effort, I think that makes it a richer one.
     
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  4. Nevill Arcane

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    Why not have an afterparty once the chapter ends, then? It is the best of both worlds.
     
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  5. treave Arcane Patron

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    Well, of course it'd be better and more immersive if I did all exposition in-character. But unfortunately I'm a very lazy writer. :lol: If I have the time and inclination perhaps I could try, but banging out long, expository updates is going to be more of a rarity nowadays. And more often than not I miss things because hey, this should be really fucking obvious to everyone, but it ends up only being really fucking obvious to the writer and no one else, which is why editors have a job. So, I figure OOC info-dumps are needed, particularly when I get sloppy. Particularly if it's something that's not vital to the plot, but to the understanding of the setting. The amount of tags I get asking me for further clarifications is testament to that.

    I'm not a big fan of people arguing over a misconception due to unclear writing and wasting their own time, so that's why I sometimes try to moderate the discussion and keep it focused on the points that should matter. But eh, if you guys like it vague, fair enough.

    Besides, there's nothing important revealed about the other options at all, which I think is the point of contention here.

    I mean, it's not like I let slip that

    Show Spoiler
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    Or revealed that

    Show Spoiler
    :troll:
     
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  6. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Nah, keep the infodumps. I like them and they provide us with lots of lulz.
     
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  7. treave Arcane Patron

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    A Maiden’s Request

    “Master Gong’s proposition sounds interesting,” you say, directing your words at the Songfeng disciples. “Rather than fighting each other, turning Zhou Manor into the site of a bloodbath, and risking the success of the mission, why don’t we make this into a challenge? Reach the pirate leader before I do, and take his head, and you can say that you have bested me. I will agree to that.”

    As the other pugilists quietly pressure the Songfeng disciples to agree, Rong Muben speaks up. “That will be an acceptable condition. Still, I am sorry, Master Zhou, but I cannot participate in this personally. However, I will instruct my disciples to give you their utmost cooperation.” Having said his piece, he steps back and returns to his seat, a sour look on his face. His students, similarly irate, mumble their agreement, though they mutter accusations of cowardice under their breath. You smile at them and give the customary salute of an open palm over closed fist. They do not return it.

    “Good,” sighs Zhou Dingqiu in relief. “That is settled, then. The preparations are well underway, and we will depart in a day’s time. If any of you have any further questions, you will always be welcome at my manor.” With that, the gathering disperses. Many are still uneasy at your participation, throwing suspicious glances at you as they leave. It does not really matter to you one way or another though – once the mission commences, acting in concert with the orthodox pugilists would only serve to slow you down.

    ***

    Making your way through the streets of Yangzhou, you begin heading back towards the ramshackle hut that now serves as your temporary lodgings. Reaching a narrow street corner, you turn into the narrow alley suddenly, pulling Yu along with you.

    “What’s the matter?” he asks.

    “It’s happening sooner than I expected.” You gesture at him to move further in. Then, you wait.

    You hear footsteps approaching your position, their pace picking up now that they are After a few seconds, the owner of the footsteps appears. She gives a gasp when she sees you waiting for her in the alley, taking an involuntary step backwards.

    “Miss Zhou.” You give her a curt greeting. “A rather bold thing for a young maiden to do, running after two men in broad daylight.”

    She shakes her head and frowns at you. “I was going to call out to you when we reached a more appropriate place to discuss matters. I suppose this place is appropriate enough.” Without any hint of worry, she steps into the alley, giving you a stare as if daring you to do your worst.

    “Well, to come after me alone you have more balls than any of the Songfeng disciples at least,” you murmur. “What is it that you want to discuss?”

    Miss Zhou nods and begins. “I have a request-“

    “Why?”

    “You’re asking why? You haven’t even heard my request yet!” she says, looking puzzled.

    “You want me to take you to the pirates’ island?” you say.

    “How did you know that?”

    You sigh. “A lucky guess.” You are probably the only person she could ask, after all, and her intentions were rather transparent from her expressions during the meeting. “Why do you want to go there, and how do you think I can help you? Keep your replies to four words.” Xiahou Yu laughs in approval.

    “To rescue a friend,” she replies quickly.

    “Who is this friend?”

    “Childhood friend, merchant’s daughter,” says the girl again.

    “Captured by the pirates?”

    “No, she went willingly.”

    “Why did she go?”

    “She married a pirate.”

    “Wait, what?” This does not seem to be going the way you expected it to go. You had thought that the young mistress of Zhou Manor was going along to prove her skills, sick of being cloistered in the manor, or some such similar story. “That means she’s also a pirate now, right? More or less.”

    “Yes, so I want to rescue her from the attack tomorrow.”

    “Which means…”

    “I can have a boat prepared within the hour. If you are willing to assist me, we will set sail for Tielou Island tonight.”

    “You’re basically asking me to warn the pirates that an attack is coming,” you say in disbelief. “An attack planned by your own father, because you want to save the life of your friend.”

    “Is that wrong? From what I've heard, the pirates are only pillaging to survive. At any rate, what is important to me is getting my friend away from the island.”

    “Well, ethically and legally, yes,” interjects Xiahou Yu. “In so far as deeds are accomplished, they should be accomplished for the greater good. The pirates plunder what is not rightfully theirs and inflict suffering upon the populace. The needs of the many outweigh the life of one person.”

    Miss Zhou peers at him, before saying, “Hey, didn’t I see you walking the streets one time in nothing but a sackcloth?”

    “I do not remember,” he says flatly. It must have been one of his episodes – you probably do not want to give him any more access to alcohol any time soon, even if he has vowed to never drink it again.

    “Well, I don’t see why you need us along,” you say.

    “She may be my friend, but that does not mean that I would like to walk into their den alone. Even if I can protect myself, I would feel safer with more fighters on my side,” she explains.

    “Right. Does your friend speak their language?” you ask.

    “Not as far as I know.”

    “Do any of them speak our language?”

    “I don’t know,” she says, shaking her head. If her friend had married one of them surely they could communicate somehow… right?

    “I know a bit of the Nippon language that the Wo speak,” says Xiahou Yu. “I studied it for a few weeks as part of my self-education on foreign policy.”

    “My friend, the brilliant scholar. Whatever would I do without you?” you say with a strained chuckle. “What will you do if we refuse, Miss Zhou?”

    “What can I do? I may have to take matters into my own hands, but that will be no concern of yours,” she says politely. You are not exactly sure what she will do; perhaps she might chance going it alone, perhaps she might not. That is no concern of yours, is it?

    ***

    A. You agree and go along with her to meet the pirates before the mission begins. It will be extremely risky, but it will give you the chance to turn adversity into opportunity. You can decide what to do with the pirates after you set foot on the island – this will give you a headstart on the other pugilists anyway.

    B. You attempt to convince her that you can save her friend on the day of the attack itself. She will definitely still insist on coming along, which means that you will have to find a way to sneak her onboard the ship underneath her father’s nose. If he finds out... well, you think you might be swimming back to the mainland.

    C. You report her plans to her father so that he keeps an eye on her. This is far too risky a plan for any maiden to conduct. By having Zhou Dingqiu place her under lock and key, she should be kept safe and out of harm’s way during the mission. You might still keep an eye out for her friend, but that won't be your priority.

    D. You reject her proposal, but do not do anything else. There is no need to undertake extra measures for this particular mission – what will be will be.
     
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  8. Kashmir Slippers Magister

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    C
     
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  9. Baltika9 Arcane

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    To quote a dear friend of Ean's:
    The girl is going to get herself in trouble with anything but A and C, and between the two I prefer A. Let's add yet another Sis to our menagerie, and engage in wanton pirate slaughter in the name of Zhang at the same time.
     
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  10. Nevill Arcane

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    Seriously, is there anything else to say? C.

    A for Awesome.
     
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  11. XenomorphII Prophet

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  12. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Well, A is exactly the thing a grumpy tsundere like Jing would do. Of course, the Songfeng guys will accuse us of cheating, but we don't give a shit.
     
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  13. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    hmm, so many choices. I decide later

    A) We have sneak and speech skills, but no lockpicking skills which might screw screw us when there will be locked doors. If we are spotted we surely ruin anti-pirates alliance element of surprise, but on otherhand we get headstart even if it's extremely risky. Personally I am against this plan.

    B) Not good. We get the girl's help but we take great risk at angering the father.

    C) Safe option, but we surely anger the girl. There is also a risk that her father believes her word over ours, because we are still appearance of vicious murder and that doesn't gave trustworthy first impressions.

    D) I don't know what to make of this. The girl is smart enough to understand not to go along, but she might become desperate and tacks along anyway.

    I have to mull over, if winning the contest at all cost is worth the price angering yet another school.
     
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  14. Kipeci Arcane

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    It's either A or C, but I want to take some time to get suited to conditions on the island, so I'll vote A.
     
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  15. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Pfft, who needs lockpicking skills when you have Shouwang Claws?
     
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  16. Zero Credibility Arcane

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    C

    We can get the description of her friend from her if we tell her we are her friends only chance. And there probably aren't that many female pirates there in the first place (I hope). Our scholar could probably take on one if we find ourselves too busy. Maybe we can also use the good will we get from her family by ratting on her to get them to keep an eye out for her friend as well and to make sure she isn't harmed. Something that she should really have asked her father / brother for. From the sound of it her plans means literally warning the pirates, that's what the language discussion is about. WTF kind of a plan is that.

    edit: OK, flopped to A. Hopefully we can actually pull it off.
     
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  17. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    Well, we won't hurt our finger nails. It fucking hurts when they crack :D.

    I am also pretty sure that Songfeng discplines are keeping eye on us, which makes A even more riskier if we get accused as traitor.
     
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  18. Baltika9 Arcane

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    So what? We saved an innocent, misguided damsel at the request of another innocent misguided damsel, and took down the pirates by ourselves. As expected of Zhang Jue's apprentice. Songfeng be hatin' anyway (sadly, I really like Rong Muben and am glad to see the old man finally found his fire, even if it took his son's death).
    For real? Dude, we're Zhang's apprentice, fngernails aren't a factor. Some Huehueshan prig may be concerned (you know who I'm talking about), but not our Tigerbro.
     
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  19. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    For real, it's not that I am not worried that smashed doors alert every pirate on the base to gangbang party:troll:. Who knows, we may be even able to pull it off. We have the strenght, agility, skills and especially techniques for taking down opponents in life or death battles, but our rather avarage endurance is the weakest link here.
     
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  20. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Yeah, but we don't need a whole lot of END to sneak around. Certainly didn't need it in Songfeng when we sneaked Cao'er out.

    Or, if we prefer, pulling off a slaughter worthy of our patron god will be tricky with our END, but we could do it if we play our cards right. Besides, we have a walking library beside us, and who knows what the girl is capable of.
     
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  21. Baltika9 Arcane

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    treave, since the mission is an all-nighter and we have the recipe for Zhang's enervation potion, the one he used to have us train 24/7 without sleep, are the ingredients for it hard to come by? Could we make one before departing for this mission?
     
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  22. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    C - I see no reason to support this girl. We may still be able to save her friend, but such is not a priority. I'm curious what taking the safe option gives us for once.
     
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  23. treave Arcane Patron

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    Raw snake and bear gall bladders.
     
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  24. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Any merchants around here carrying it? This is a rather bustling city, after all.
     
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  25. Elfberserker Liturgist

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    But we still need lockpicking skills to open locked doors unless we go trough windows, if they have windows or other openings. I would imagine that Pirates would be bit touch more paranoid about their rooms than that place where we saved Cao'er. Then again there is a chance that we don't need it. Or maybe the girl or scholarbro has some skills with locks, but I doubt it.

    Well the thing is that I am most worried about the girl. If she gets wounded or killed then we will have yet another case of causing death of child of the school's masters. It doesn't take the genius figure out when she snuck out, if we leave earlier than the rest. then again we could simply lie that we didn't know that she was't supposed to be there, but I doubt that anyone believes.

    The girl might be good pugilist or not. It's real gamble that we are taking here, but we should think what are our goals. Obviously saving maidens would be near top on Tigerbro's to-do-list and we have quiet successful history in that department, but placing maidens in danger even to save other maiden is unknown territory for us. Besides this sounds shady, the girl probably tells what she thinks is the truth, but maybe she doesn't know the whole truth.
     
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