I don't think it matters to them, as the alternative to taking a hostage is an utter annihilation at the hands of the orthodox pugilists (or so the Fire Cult thinks). I don't think they are concerned about their pride anymore.GreyViper said:Go for a hybrid answer where you call out Fire Cult being pussies and hiding behind a pregnant woman thus making them a child killer if they do execute Qilin.
Yunzi could have told them that. Yet they are doing it anyway.The opinions of the maids are to back us up against their initial suspicion that Jing is some orthodox apprentice attempting to wrest back the orthodox lady they've nabbed.
We have an unarmed skill of 7. Do you think that wrestling Qilin free of their grasp would work better?Also, I'm sure that Jing drinking in a sensitive situation with his drinking skill of 1 is a good idea.
Unlikely, since she's too proud and upright for that. A dude hardened by Muslim genocide, however...Yunzi could have told them that. Yet they are doing it anyway.
Our best shot to do what and how? What miracle are we stalling for in A?We have an unarmed skill of 7. Do you think that wrestling Qilin free of their grasp would work better?
The lack of skill is unfortunate, yet I still believe this to be our best shot.
Yunzi is too proud and upright to tell the dudes holding a girl hostage that she is not the bargaining chip they are looking for? What?Baltika9 said:Unlikely, since she's too proud and upright for that. A dude hardened by Muslim genocide, however...
Stalling for time. If the orthodoxes won't attack the Fire Cult, Qilin survives. If the Saint makes up his mind to intervene, Qilin survives. If we find an opportunity to bring Cao'er close enough to paralyze the guy, Qilin survives. An opportunity will present itself, given enough time.Baltika9 said:Our best shot to do what and how? What miracle are we stslling for in A?
Look, if we start pleading with them, the orthodoxes will have even more reason to attack. If by that time, which I believe will be extremely short, we do not manage to convince their Lord, then Qilin is done for.
No, you are not. Jing is not an equal to the masters of the Eight Sects yet. The ones he fought barely reach the level of the Eight Sects' best disciples. Jing has a reputation, but so does Bai Jiutian, and Vahista is down. If it comes to a fight, the orthodoxes still have 3 to 2 advantage. Jing is not going to scare them away, and his declaration will only serve to infuriate them further.Kipeci said:If I remember correctly, Jing trounced some of the sect masters that made it back alive.
If the kidnapper can be talked down. If not, you best hope is to take him down instead.Kipeci said:"I tried to talk down the kidnapper" >> "I thought I'd drink until everything got better"
Except that it most definitely might not. Shagguan's position and movies are a complete unknown, we have no idea if they align with ours and we really have no idea of his angle in this situation. All I know is that, had he wanted to help the Fire Cult to escape and get Qilin to safety, he would have given them an opportunity to do so already. And another thing: Jing's appearance and trolololo is the absolutely last thing we want if we are to prevent more violence out there.Stalling for time. If the orthodoxes won't attack the Fire Cult, Qilin survives. If the Saint makes up his mind to intervene, Qilin survives. If we find an opportunity to bring Cao'er close enough to paralyze the guy, Qilin survives. An opportunity will present itself, given enough time.Baltika9 said:Our best shot to do what and how? What miracle are we stslling for in A?
He didn't. We brought one of the Taishan disciples down, and the rest have scattered. In that regard, it was a success.Lambchop19 said:Told you guys that he'd intercept us.
He wouldn't. However, it is good that we know of their trick now. Oh, and in the battle of dirty tricks. he was still defeated. He is the one lying on the ground while we are standing.Lambchop19 said:He probably wouldn't have used that cheap trick had we not pulled a cheap trick of our own, so the blame for our defeat
Qilin got captured because we were separated with her (and not gone with the Operation: Maiden Capture). I see absolutely no relation between her capture and the previous choice. She would still get caught while we were busy fighting Taishan disciples.Lambchop19 said:and the death our snake and possibly Qilin lies on Baltika9's shoulders.
tarnished rep
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treave, how come our 'dishonorable' actions didn't net us a single unorthodox point? I was expecting at least five.
Indeed.I really don't see why it should. You only managed to sucker-punch one guy anyway. They reacted too slow and should have been on guard the moment they saw you. Their masters and seniors would berate them for not doing so, considering the stuff you have done before. It's expected of you not to play fair, so it wouldn't increase your unorthodox reputation.
We were intercepted before we could take another one down, so yes, we were intercepted.He didn't. We brought one of the Taishan disciples down, and the rest have scattered. In that regard, it was a success.Lambchop19 said:Told you guys that he'd intercept us.
Yeah, I'm sure that will be super useful.He wouldn't. However, it is good that we know of their trick now.Lambchop19 said:He probably wouldn't have used that cheap trick had we not pulled a cheap trick of our own, so the blame for our defeat
You are right, forgot about that. No, I'm not dramatizing for the sake of dramatizing.Qilin got captured because we were separated with her (and not gone with the Operation: Maiden Capture). I see absolutely no relation between her capture and the previous choice. He would still get caught while we were busy fighting Taishan disciples.Lambchop19 said:and the death our snake and possibly Qilin lies on Baltika9's shoulders.
I believe we do:Baltika9 said:Shagguan's position and movies are a complete unknown, we have no idea if they align with ours and we really have no idea of his angle in this situation.
He does not want the fight to continue, and have taken action against the ones who do."This is getting rather too silly for my tastes. Come, stop this boring fight. It would be far more interesting to sit, drink and talk. Well, more drinking, at any rate."
It would redirect the violence to him. Which is the whole point of 'distraction'.Baltika9 said:And another thing: Jing's appearance and trolololo is the absolutely last thing we want if we are to prevent more violence out there.
Again, they don't need us pointing out that Qilin does not belong to the orthodox sects, Yunzi can do it just as well, and she does not need anyone vouching for her. If she didn't, or if she did, but was ineffective, I don't see us affecting much.Baltika9 said:On the other hand, the whole case for C rests on this: the girls and Yunzi are there to get us in and vouch for us that we are definitely unorthodox and no friends to their enemies, the sects.
The point was to disable the formation.Lambchop19 said:We were intercepted before we could take another one down, so yes, we were intercepted.
No, you are not. Jing is not an equal to the masters of the Eight Sects yet. The ones he fought barely reach the level of the Eight Sects' best disciples. Jing has a reputation, but so does Bai Jiutian, and Vahista is down. If it comes to a fight, the orthodoxes still have 3 to 2 advantage. Jing is not going to scare them away, and his declaration will only serve to infuriate them further.
The only one they will be afraid of is the Sword Saint.
We aren't good at negotiation and we just got our asses kicked AND they are very gaurded, so I doubt a straight fight would do anything other than get Qilin killed. We ARE, however, good at trolling and distraction, so that is what I vote we do: A>C
Not if we took down six, no. Then we could say that we did defeat them, or at least six of the seven. +1 to our rep as a bad ass. As it stands, we got one sneak attack in on them. Not a real victory. And sure, objective achieved, but the guy still stepped in, so everyone who said he'd just stand there was wrong. A minor point, so I don't want to waste any more time debating the meanings of words with you. The overall point is that we didn't achieve a real victory over any of these guys - not the seven and not this guy - and we ended up flat on our back. You think Zhang will be pleased that a little nun saved our ass? It was a victory in the sense that their threat was neutralized, but not in any other sense. Geez, have to telegraph this shit...The point was to disable the formation.
I am sure that if Jing took six of them down, you could argue that he was intercepted before he could take down all seven, but ultimately we made the Taishan Heroes flee with this move.