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We're not talking about deep frying, bro. Just lightly sear the girl. I'm not cruel. Geez.
Hope Bai has enough moral fiber not toWhy do you want to kill the mother of our unborn child, Lambchop?
We got more practice with our Wuxiang Qiankun against Armaiti, but I'm pretty sure getting our ass kicked by Zhang Jue is par for the course, unless treave wants to give us that +1 swords now that we've gotten serious practice with all our sword techs.Did we get any benefits from our sparring sessions of last update, or is being beaten by zhang run of the mill these days?
Oh, we will definitely warn him about the dangers and even then, he is much less likely than us to get "lost:"I would suggest we be very clear about its dangers in A, but Jing has a habit of leaving out useful information when he says things.
Admittedly not usually to people he trusts, which would include Shun.
treave can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Shun isn't interested in actually using WQS, but is more intrigued by the philosophy behind it.
He wants to read about it and dissect the theory, yes. As for practicing it, hard to say, but meditating on the technique is something more dangerous to a practitioner who already knows plenty of martial arts, compared to a novice. Paradoxically, it is easier to lose your way with this technique if you know - or think you know - where you want to go, and if you don't know where to go, most of the time what happens is that you don't go anywhere.
A few more questions, treave: Is Cao'er going to learn techniques from Xuezi now? Is Yifang going to learn the Jueshi Wugong Sword Song? Can we warn Shun about the risks of losing yourself in meditation, never to return, and advise him that it is best to practice it a lot in matches - not to improve your understand of the skill, but to keep your understanding grounded in practical applications and reduce the risk of losing yourself? Can we teach Wuxiang Qiankun to Yunzi?
Maybe. Yes. You will, after learning about that drawback from Shaolin's records. You could, but she won't find it easy to learn.
Ok, flopping to B XI VI to do my best to lock in the assisted meditation victory. A pity the laser eye option didn't have more votes.
Eh, only one way to find out, then. That restriction only applies to deceptive Jiuyin techniques anyway, and we're not about to fight Lady Ji or Bai Jiutian, I reckon. By his reckoning, the Zhang family doesn't have more Jiuyin techniques yet anyway.
“I discussed the matter with my shimu. Besides the fragment of the Jiuyin manual that I copied from under their noses, they should not have any of the full books yet.”
“Your shimu could be lying to you.”
“She could be,” says Bai, and the tone in her voice warns you not to go any further with this line of conversation. It appears to be a rather sensitive issue to her.
I'll go with B X XI, being able to copy techniques from the great swordsmen in all their variety is much more useful than bringing in a handful of other techniques... which, given enough skill in the technique, we can use to instantly copy those other ones anyway.
Handling easily doesn't mean you can use it efficiently in mimicking other Great Sword techniques because those techniques tend to focus on the particular unique qualities of each sword. The Yuchang Sword can't mimic the weight of the Zhanlu Sword, or the flexibility of the Chengying Sword, and it sure as hell isn't going to glow golden like the Chunjun Sword even if you mimic Nie Wuxing's particular swordplay.
That's because we do branch out through our mystery bonuses and we're going to branch out like crazy once we reach rank 4. Even before rank 4, we can copy our buddies' moves in a fight anyway.I can't believe it. Even with Master Zhang's rare and obscenely powerful techniques, we're still going with improving the same skill that we've worked exclusively on, with no thought or consideration to branching out.
Educated guess. According to treave, the reason we couldn't copy the technique is because it was imperceptible. Following that train of thought, I would guess that other techniques which are perceptible would be within our abilities to copy. You are saying that all the legendary techniques would have to be special in some way or another to stop our copying. While I wouldn't rule out what you're saying, I think my rationale is more solid.How do you know? Wuxiang Qiankun couldn't grasp BJ's Nine Shadows Imprisonment Sword, but I don't see why it would be able to copy techniques from the equally powerful Jiuyang manual either. If WQS could simply mimic these legendary techniques, it would be more sought after than those other manuals in the first place. I get that you like the Wuxiang Qiankun combo, but you're trying to fit the facts to the choice you like. Maybe we'll be able to mimic these techniques far down the line, but certainly not at Level 3.
Yes, they are, but we will still be much better off for copying their techniques and adding our own. If nothing else, having a great insight into those techniques should improve our abilities at the countering game. Treave, can you confirm this?I mentioned this earlier, but Great Sword techniques are best used with the Great Sword in question.
This right here showcases everything that is wrong with supertechs. They turn their practitioner from a fighter to a popamoler who is plain not interested in actually learning martial arts, instead content to smash a single button much like the lab rat who could only do one thing once the electrodes were connected to the pleasure center in its brain.
- We can still copy our allies in a fight. If we want Taiji Sword, for instance, then with the Wuxiang Qiankun upgrade I'm going to guess our neigong and/or Wuxiang Qiankun will be high enough to let us immediately copy Guo Fu when we want and use it. That means that any techniques we learn, we could already use without learning. That's why I'm not impressed with the learning thing.
Considering flopping to the Full Zhang Jue package.
This right here showcases everything that is wrong with supertechs. They turn their practitioner from a fighter to a popamoler who is plain not interested in actually learning martial arts, instead content to smash a single button much like the lab rat who could only do one thing once the electrodes were connected to the pleasure center in its brain.
It kills the spirit of martial arts.
I don't think I even need to prove my case, seeing what Jing is turning into. I am still cringing at a thought of the faggotry that was the option of having us fight the Shaolin Abbott supercharged. We are degenerating at a high speed indeed.
Most of the monks are engaged in intense conversation with each other, as they debate the minutiae of the fight that they have just seen like rabid, fight-obsessed maniacs. Then again, they aremembers of a temple with nothing to enjoy except Buddhist sutras and martial arts. You are not exactly surprised.
Except that's exactly what is happening: we are beginning to default to WQS as the solution to all of our problems. And that is a problem: yes, WQS is amazing and broken as fuck and yes, it is a legendary skill. But it's just a tool in our arsenal, and making it our crutch and letting go of our roots and pugilistic know-how is bound to bite us in the ass.Nevill, hey now, that's unfair. This isn't a single move we use in every fight to the detriment of all else. It's an ability that opens up a huge number of extra moves to us while we use everything we have.
It would, but having the extra insight might only mean that you realize sometimes the best counter is to scream at them, or shoot eye lasers, or soft-counter all over their face with Taiji spam etc. You can't know for sure before (if) you face those techniques.
Baltika9 said:Bros, you do realize that WQS at lvl 4 allows us to instantly memorize techniques from opponents with lower neigong, right? I get it, WQS is fuck-all awesome, but we gotta learn some actually new stuff so that we're not sucking without it. Besides that, Lord Zhang is a mercurial and independent spirit, no telling when we will next meet him. The Serpent Eye and Conquering Roar are very advanced and useful techniques.
x X XI.
If we get 2 more levels in WQS we will be able to get techs just by looking at them.
This is still a long ways away:
Level 1: mimic lower level internal energy
Level 2: mimic same level internal energy
Level 3: mimic higher level internal energy
Level 4: mimic higher level internal energy, memorize lower level internal energy instantly
Level 5: mimic higher level internal energy, memorize same level internal energy instantly
Level 6: ???
Level 7: PROFIT!!!
It took us two meditation sessions on our own to advance to level 2, and while WQS provides some badass MYSTARY! boosts (which is probably what we're going to get, not progression to Level 3), we aren't going to memorize lower level internal energy any time soon. Level 4 also isn't going to get us any closer to memorizing Master Zhang's techniques, because he has a ridiculous amount of qi flowing through his body. And well, as Baltika9 said, we don't know when we're going to run into him next. You can't memorize his techniques if you never see the guy.
The Manly Lion's Violent Roar is also perfect for a situation like the Conference:
Oh yes, it is a technique that most will find hard to counter as well as a faster way to disable your opponent compared to silk and a very, very effective method of crowd control. Pity indeed.
Given that we'll be fighting multiple people, this is just the sort of thing that could give Jing an edge.
As for helping us in the conference, I rather expect that we will just expose ourselves as the master of Wuxiang Qiankun there. Against the stronger sword masters, I think an improved Wuxiang Qiankun would be our best bet.
Nevill said:What we need is a few of our own techniques (that we can use anywhere regardless of what our opponents use) that either bolster our strengths or cover our weaknesses. Of those, Manly Roar (for crowd control), Taiji Sword and Fist (for parrying and deflection) and Armaiti's tech (sheer staying power) attract me the most.
I'd go for Zhang's tech first, since we don't know how long he will accompany us or when we meet him again, and then choose whatever gets the most traction.
Kashmir Slippers said:What makes you think that we will be able to learn these techniques with a level 4 skill? Why would there be higher levels if we are able to copy a legendary technique just at the drop of a hat. I think you all are greatly overestimating the strength of the ability.
We would probably be learning the likes of techniques that we ran into at the beginning of the LP: ones that were used by junior pugilists. We won't be able to learn master-level techs until at least level 5, which is an incredible ways away.
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I fear that we are becoming over-reliant on the WQS and that we are treating it as some magical get-out-of-jail-for-free card.
In pretty much every fight that we have fought, we have needed to pull it out because we would have lost otherwise. If, for some reason, it were to fail, then we would be without anything else o go on. I feel like we are crippling ourselves by investing so much into it. All the other masters became masters because of their fighting ability. They did so without the WQS, yet, somehow, they can still beat us. The time has come for us to continue improving our innate fighting ability and not completely relying on the WQS to get us out of trouble, because if there ever comes a time where it doesn't work, we are going to be fucked.
Esquilax said:And what about when we eventually do get to WQS Level 4? At that point, we'll see who has the legendary techniques from the Xuanming Jiuyin Holy Art and the Xiaoming Jiuyang Divine Skill and the same line of argumentation will begin anew: "Guys, our current level of WQS isn't enough to mimic their skills, but trust me, we don't need to learn these techniques, because when we get to Level 7, we'll memorize legendary techniques instantly!"
It's a bad argument. Okay, MYSTARY boosts are one thing, and they have helped, but we are getting dangerously close to treating WQS as some sort of magic bullet. While Lambchop19 does make some good points in that it's a balancing act (if you invest in it, of course you're going to rely on it more) given the context of the situation with the Sword Conference (where WQS won't be as useful), the level of fighters that we'll be facing, and the opportunity to learn some killer moves from Master Zhang, we would be so much better served with improving our fundamental, bread-and-butter martial arts skill.
Nevill said:This right here showcases everything that is wrong with supertechs. They turn their practitioner from a fighter to a popamoler who is plain not interested in actually learning martial arts, instead content to smash a single button much like the lab rat who could only do one thing once the electrodes were connected to the pleasure center in its brain.
It kills the spirit of martial arts.
I don't think I even need to prove my case, seeing what Jing is turning into. I am still cringing at a thought of the faggotry that was the option of having us fight the Shaolin Abbott supercharged. We are degenerating at a high speed indeed.
Handling easily doesn't mean you can use it efficiently in mimicking other Great Sword techniques because those techniques tend to focus on the particular unique qualities of each sword. The Yuchang Sword can't mimic the weight of the Zhanlu Sword, or the flexibility of the Chengying Sword, and it sure as hell isn't going to glow golden like the Chunjun Sword even if you mimic Nie Wuxing's particular swordplay.
Some people asserted we couldn't copy Bai's move because it was imperceptible, others (myself) because we thought Bai added qi he had been holding back to exceed our limits. Is it possible to copy legendary techniques (esp. if we upgrade Wuxiang Qiankun)?
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The former interpretation is the correct one. As to whether upgrading Wuxiang Qiankun will allow you to surpass that limitation, you don't know if it will.
It would, but having the extra insight might only mean that you realize sometimes the best counter is to scream at them, or shoot eye lasers, or soft-counter all over their face with Taiji spam etc. You can't know for sure before (if) you face those techniques.
“B-but that can’t be, Lord Ahura spent years trying to understand just the first level!” blurts out Haurvatat.
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There is a sudden explosion of light. Gathering all of his power, Ahura moves to attack the Grand Taoist. You do not catch what happens next clearly, but it ends with the Fire Lord wreathed in flame, screaming as he is burned by his own fires. His arms and legs fall limp by his side as he collapses to the ground. Ahura crawls towards his adherents in pain, inching away from the Grand Taoist. His Amesha Spenta, regaining their consciousness, run to his aid and drag him to safety as Wang watches on.
Dud, look at the line you quoted above:Maybe if his level of WQS were higher, this wouldn't have happened! Shame he couldn't think of a counter.
Was he really a pratcitioner? Sounds to me like he couldn't even get the basics... Even if he was, his level probably wasn't very high - if it ever made it past the first level at all. If he really was very skilled at WQS, why couldn't he change his chaotic qi into ordered qi after that fight or during our fight?“B-but that can’t be, Lord Ahura spent years trying to understand just the first level!” blurts out Haurvatat.