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Discussion in 'The Gazebo' started by Berekän, Sep 8, 2017.

  1. spectre Arcane

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    Yep, best part is they can't really do anything about it. (or maybe they'll smarten up and start running Fields of Ruin? I have one in my version) If they go Kalimera's Blessing, they're still left with a 3/3. It's the ultimate fuck you to that deck (though I admit, the pictured erasing of the Arselid also shows good form),
    I started running Зона especially for this matchup. Turns out it also helps with a lot of other things. Shame you can't really run more than two unless single color.

    Yeah, that the selling point. A lot of shit grows well, but it's so fucking infuriating when you can't drive that truck home.
    As a plus, people's brains seem to melt when they try and process trample damage (fucking tramps, how do they work).
    I get people blocking serpents with 1/1 tokens, or trying to shield planeswalkers that would die anyway.
    Terravore from Anthology 2 is rare, should grow just as well and also has trample.

    I had an enormous boner for the Fiend when it was spoiled, it grows quite all right, but the fucker keeps disappointing me.
    That ability being worded as a sorcery is a dick "no fun allowed" move by the R&D.
    It's a fucking mythic creature, let me fizzle removals, let me sac Crocsa in response to trigger. Bollocks.

    If you're short on wildcards, might try tutoring shit up. It's not like you want to have two crucibles or two multanis on hand.
    The price tag on Final Parting is disgusting, but it's uncommon and pure card advantage for this strategy.
     
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  2. lukaszek the determinator

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    i dont consider trample being an issue. There are spells, there is spear, so is brokkos that works quite well in graveyard deck.

    Speaking of brokkos, somehow he is not searchable within arena for me
     
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  3. Dawkinsfan69 Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    Trying again to make a deck around this sexy angel bitch:

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    Here's what I got

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    4 Kaalia, Zenith Seeker (M20) 210
    3 Sephara, Sky's Blade (M20) 36
    4 Seraph of the Scales (RNA) 205
    4 Hanged Executioner (M20) 22
    4 Orzhov Enforcer (RNA) 79
    4 Nightmare Shepherd (THB) 108
    4 Plaguecrafter (GRN) 82
    4 Pilfering Imp (GRN) 81
    3 Vampire of the Dire Moon (M20) 120
    2 Doom Foretold (ELD) 187
    3 Savai Triome (IKO) 253
    2 Castle Locthwain (ELD) 241
    4 Godless Shrine (RNA) 248
    4 Blood Crypt (RNA) 245
    4 Sacred Foundry (GRN) 254
    2 Swamp (THB) 252
    2 Fabled Passage (ELD) 244
    1 Mountain (THB) 253
    2 Plains (THB) 250


    It's actually not horrible. I think the star of the deck is nightmare shepherd especially if you get that on the board with sephara it's a total lock. But I like to pretend it's working cuz of kaalia xD
     
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  4. Dawkinsfan69 Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    o shit i didn't even realize she could double/triple tutor

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    so badass
     
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  5. spectre Arcane

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    I though you knew :lol:

    The point was to maximise the pay-off:
    Angels are very easy to get. Resplendent Angel is gud (unless you need to spend wildcards on it). Shalom, Voice of Oy Vey is another good staple that you're missing. I'd run those before Sephora (though she's fine too).
    Demons were a bit problematic, you're pretty much down to Spawn of Mayhem, Shepherds and Embodiment of Agonies (that would need a good bit of restructuring, but as long as you an reliably make it a 3/3, should be a-okay).
    Dragons can be a bit problematic, does Dragon Egg count? It's the cheapest one in there.

    In any case, there's no problem in finding a nice progression of 3-4-5 drops to make Kaalia do its magic, the trick is to find nice thing to fill in the 1-2 mana slots.
    You may like to read about some math Frank Karsten did last year.
    https://www.channelfireball.com/all...real-standard-deck-with-kaalia-zenith-seeker/
     
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  6. Dawkinsfan69 Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    Ooo yeah I think the deck would be stronger with those the only problem is that I'm trying to keep it standard since I don't really have many cards from dominaria and earlier, and I don't have any rare WCs to craft all that stuff lol. Pretty sure dragon egg would count tho since it has dragon in the type. Maybe once they do flashback drafts and I get all the cards for those sets I'll be able to make that deck but in standard there really aren't any dragon cards that I think would be good in the deck tbh.

    For 1-2 drops, I'm always REALLY impressed with how much impact these dumb 1/1 or 1/2 deathtouchers have. They're basically always a good draw since they totally stop opponent from attacking most of the time. Pilfering imp seems to be doing alright too, usually it will eat a removal spell because people hate discard and if it sticks around I can use it to trigger sephara's alternate cast cost.

    Anyway with how the deck is right now Kaalia's trigger almost always gets at least one thing and every now and then it'll pull a nightmare shepherd + some other angel. It'd be sick in historic tho grabbing 2-3 things consistently. I bet having Shalom + Sephara on the battlefield would be nasty
     
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  7. lukaszek the determinator

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    so... what are you guyz planning to do with your 8 free rare wc?

    myself im eyeing desecrated tomb that Id normally pass on. Id love to have some sort of collection structure in my decks so I can hold all weird variants of graveyard fun in single place
     
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  8. spectre Arcane

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    Well, the responsible thing to do would be to get some temples or triomes I'm still missing.

    But fuck that, I should be able to afford Anthology III by the week's end, so I'll just use it to pick the leftovers from anthology I and II so I can do some serious brewing.
    Or maybe I'll take the opportunity to get the missing Fall of the Thran and Haphazard Bombardments? Oh the choices.
    I fully expect Standard to roll back to the pre-Ikoria shitshow of mono red aggro vs UW control all day, every day, so I'm planning to spend some time in Historic,
    unless the UB mutate deck keeps me entertained after the bans.
     
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  9. lukaszek the determinator

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    only 2 are non white

    right...

    i expect to toss in cry and/or extinction events and be better than before bans

    once we get second rotation i expect/hope for casual queue to have high ratio of original stuff
     
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  10. Dawkinsfan69 Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    oh yeah white lifelink take ur bullshit "alseid of protection" and shove it up ur ass get chump'd by 1/1s forever mwahahah

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    best part of this deck is seeing netdeckers mouse over every creature cuz they have no idea wtf any of the cards do
     
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  11. Multi-headed Cow Cipher

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    They'll go into my hoarding pile. I've got around 100 rare WC and 70 mythic WC that I'm holding on to for a rainy day. I foolishly didn't buy historic anthology 1 so if I want cards from that I'll have to WC them, and I've got really sparse pickings for the sets from previous standard since I was focusing on cards that would last into THIS standard, so I've got a fuckton of stuff to burn them on. Just nothing I immediately want yet. Originally didn't plan on playing historic at all, but standard went down the shitter in a relative hurry and historic's kinda fun, so eh.
     
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  12. Thac0 Hopeless Optimist Patron

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    I never got anything with Kaaaalia in working even remotely, her being not an an angel herself fucks any combo possibility with Bishop of Wings. Kaalias Deviantart pile however makes an extremely fun Brawl deck, my favourite by far. Pulling Bladewing the Risen with her is crack.
     
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  13. Jason Liang Arcane

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  14. Dawkinsfan69 Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    i'm always surprised to see that she's not an angel.. I mean she's got wings right? confusing
    maybe she's an angel demon dragon and they said fuck it we'll call her a cleric
     
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  15. Thac0 Hopeless Optimist Patron

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    https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Kaalia

    She is a half decently important lore character I think. I think they just printed her as a commander one day and slapped all the lore on, but not too sure about that. She used to be much more grim, a ruthless necromancer that uses the forces of good and evil, hellbent on revenge. But I guess she got more chill after getting revenge. But she was born human.

    Core 21 spoilers start today, maybe we get to see some cool new angels ,demons, dragons, she is soo much fun in Brawl. If she rotates I will riot for historic brawl.
     
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  16. Thac0 Hopeless Optimist Patron

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    https://mtgazone.com/core-set-2021-leaks-rumors-and-teasers/

    Authentic leak for Baneslayer Angel! Probably too weak for current standard even after bans, but very nice replacement for Lyra, Dawnbringer and will slot into everything white I will build, forever.

    Also this source seems to have Jumpstart leaks muddled with the standard leaks, no way we get Birds of Paradise in standard.
     
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  17. lukaszek the determinator

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    that teferi is different from what i understood. Would like to test him in flash mutate deck. That blkink ability could be useful for splitting your critters. Honestly Im not sure how often Id like to do that

    if lightning bolt and birds are in... just lol
     
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  18. Thac0 Hopeless Optimist Patron

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    Most of the leaks on the side seem fake, especially the T4feri. The fotos of the curled foils are the only ones I believe.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/gw3g81/core_21_reprints_ugin_the_spirit_dragon_massacre/
    I believe they originated from here. I cant see them printing a planeswalker with flash but without instand ability speed, that would be a weird gameplay function.
     
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  19. lukaszek the determinator

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    i really need to rethink blinking on mutates. Imagine you ar eplaying control heavy mutates that keep destroying enemy board. Single time twist on enemy turn splits those critters and returns with +1/+1 counter each to deliver sort of zerg rush.
     
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  20. new fucking guy Learned Patron

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    Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    anyone in market for 2 card combo jank?
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    1. play this
    2. escape to the wilds
    3. consistently find more copies of escape to the wilds to mill your whole deck with
    4. oracle of thassa win
    you just need to survive these few turns with visions on board. copied escape to the wilds gives you 2 extra lands and likely access to any 4-of in your deck
     
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  21. Generic-Giant-Spider Arcane

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    i'm getting into this nerd shit

    hook me up with a spider deck or vampire deck, dont care if it sucks
     
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  22. Jason Liang Arcane

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    He's BACK...

    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  23. Thac0 Hopeless Optimist Patron

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    In historic (the older format) vampires is a good deck, there were many good vampires printed a few years ago.

    https://www.channelfireball.com/all-strategy/articles/a-guide-to-vampires-the-best-deck-in-standard/

    This is a good baseline, you can probably make a good budget deck by cutting down on Sanctum Seekers and infusing it with the stronger new removal in cast down and heartless act.

    Spiders never got any tribe support, but Atrasta of the endless webs can be played in enchantment decks in standard and she makes lots of spiders.

    There is a new set being revealed right now that has at least one big vampire, maybe enough to make standard vampires great again.
     
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  24. Generic-Giant-Spider Arcane

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    How you gonna have all this mega bomb ass spider artwork and not have them represent.

    Just another bigoted powerplay by GRAND Wizards of the Coast.
     
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  25. Thac0 Hopeless Optimist Patron

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    Well you could always try to make a spiders deck by just slamming all the spiders into a deck with https://www.cardkingdom.com/mtg/core-set-2020/icon-of-ancestry naming Spider. But we are not talking uncompetitive, we are talking 10% winrate in casual play here.
    Vampires are definitly your better choice.

    The tribe that will get love next are dogs, I fear spiders are pretty last in line right now.
    Truly disgusting from SJWotC
     
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